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cracking fight, Kat right back into it, had a great 4th. Anyone else watching it?

Kat's going to do this.

No he didn't. Great fight, I enjoyed debating and contradicting myself.

There was a good round by round on the other board.

Most of you were wrong.

I'd love Casa to fight Khan and chin him tbh.

Southpaw Stylist wrote:Most of you were wrong.

I'd love Casa to fight Khan and chin him tbh.

Warren could bring him over 1 day, IMO. One Olympic star vs another. (admittedly Casa was the bigger ama star). Classic old vs new matchup as well. Would have to make the fight "at the right time", and the right time will come. I think Joel is a fantastic fighter, to still be here at this level.

Casa-Campbell II i think is in order right now. The first fight was a cracker, and very competitive.

Good to see that Katsidis can hack it at world level. I'm glad he did well in losing to Casamayor. Katsidis could fight Juan Diaz and it wouldn't look such a mismatch now; or he could face Santa Cruz, who was jobbed vs an off form Casa. Or David Diaz. These would be hellacious fights.

the only post-castro cuban to win an olympic gold and a world title

MatthewS wrote:the only post-castro cuban to win an olympic gold and a world title

I think if Casa wins one more big fight, such as WBA, WBO & IBF champ Campbell, he's in the hall of fame. Like you say, ama and pro success, never been outclassed, won 2 of 3 vs Corrales, KO of Katsidis in a classic, etc.

I think he would be a huge scalp at the right time for Khan...Casa is vulnerable at this stage and we'll see where Khan's at if he fights Romanov.

Could be a great lightweight era upcoming.

wow, sounds like it was a great fight. I was going to lump on Casa but I wasn't quite sure enough in the end, my prediction would have looked good near the end of that first round...

sounds like katsidis has some guts too.

My uncanny knack of getting my predictions wrong was spot on.
I picked Katsidis to win in 8.
Sounds like a great fight though.

Autobarn wrote:

MatthewS wrote:the only post-castro cuban to win an olympic gold and a world title

I think if Casa wins one more big fight, such as WBA, WBO & IBF champ Campbell, he's in the hall of fame. Like you say, ama and pro success, never been outclassed, won 2 of 3 vs Corrales, KO of Katsidis in a classic, etc.

I think he would be a huge scalp at the right time for Khan...Casa is vulnerable at this stage and we'll see where Khan's at if he fights Romanov.

Could be a great lightweight era upcoming.

I think they should try and get Cassamaya NOW before someone else does. Sure he could pick apart a Katsidis with no defense but he looked close to being ko'd by the younger man in doing so and he had problems with Santa Cruz (I was in the minority having him winning)

Ofcourse this would be a huge step up but Khan's size, speed, stamina, workrate and boxing skill would edge a fight with an old Cassa. And Cassa is old and ready for the taking with the right strategy from Khan.

Call me crazy but I want to see Khan thrown in the deep end against a fighter that suit him stylistically instead of looking for a domestic/european bannana skin for him to slip up on while gaining little

Well done to the thread starter BTW I hope you made some money, I thought Cassa was looking too old to pull this 1 off

One in the bag for me. Shame Casa didn't win on points, but still made a bit of money on the KO win.

Sounds like Casa looked very old in there, Warren should try and get him for Khan, sounds like he might struggle with Khan's speed at this stage of the game.

Casa said he wants the money fights. If there's money I'll bet he takes it. Time to step up, Amir?

Or how about wait till Casa and Nate Campbell settle whom the champ is at lightweight and pick on the leftovers?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:One in the bag for me. Shame Casa didn't win on points, but still made a bit of money on the KO win.

Sounds like Casa looked very old in there, Warren should try and get him for Khan, sounds like he might struggle with Khan's speed at this stage of the game.

Based on last night, I'd make Amir a very slight favourite if they fought now. Good workrate, coming in at angles and decent power will now beat Casa. Kat should have won, he was so reckless at the start of the 10th looking for the KO with big swinging hooks.

Autobarn wrote:Casa said he wants the money fights. If there's money I'll bet he takes it. Time to step up, Amir?

Or how about wait till Casa and Nate Campbell settle whom the champ is at lightweight and pick on the leftovers?

Casa has established hes the champ. He won the ring belt, Diaz picked up the scraps of belts and lost to Campbell who Casa already beat. 95% of the fans were calling Juan Diaz the man but that right goes to Casa no doubt

Casa could be to Khan what Tyszu was to Hatton

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Casa said he wants the money fights. If there's money I'll bet he takes it. Time to step up, Amir?

Or how about wait till Casa and Nate Campbell settle whom the champ is at lightweight and pick on the leftovers?

Casa has established hes the champ. He won the ring belt, Diaz picked up the scraps of belts and lost to Campbell who Casa already beat. 95% of the fans were calling Juan Diaz the man but that right goes to Casa no doubt

Casa could be to Khan what Tyszu was to Hatton

re Campbell - pretty good "scraps" becoming the guy to take away Juan Diaz's aura of invulnerability! I went back to Casa-Campbell 1 - had Casa winning 6-4 in rds over 10. i think if he beats him again it just really cements his career and bridges "lineal" and "unified" titles. (and also make up for that Santa Cruz performance which was well below par).

IMO Khan will make it to world class more convincingly than Hatton. There will be no WBU clowning around I hope. Given that Hatton spent about 14 defences there, & has mixed results at world class, a case could be made that's his true level. Amir seems the more natural talent so hopefully he steps up cinvincingly.

Wouldn't Warren want proper sanctioning body belts, rather than "just" a magazine title for Khan? I think British fighters like to have the "big four" belts; Ring titles don't seem t have really caught on over here. You seldom see Boxing News acknowledging a Ring mag/lineal champ.

Autobarn wrote:Casa said he wants the money fights. If there's money I'll bet he takes it. Time to step up, Amir?

Or how about wait till Casa and Nate Campbell settle whom the champ is at lightweight and pick on the leftovers?

I think it's too big a step up for Amir at the moment, as he's not fought at anywhere near that level yet. He still needs to prove himself at European level (Thaxton-Romanov winner) first. I'm not one who believes his win over St. Clair has established his world-class credentials. Garry was out of his weight class and some time past his world-class prime.

I agree with James, at Casamayor's age I wonder two things:

Was this the last great Joel performance (see Sants Cruz for proof)

How much did this war take out of him

I think Khan would make this at least competitive. Ideally I'd like to see Casamayor v Campbell first and then Diaz v Katsidis to see whom the winner fights.

Then Kahn fights the winner of that.

Autobarn wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Casa said he wants the money fights. If there's money I'll bet he takes it. Time to step up, Amir?

Or how about wait till Casa and Nate Campbell settle whom the champ is at lightweight and pick on the leftovers?

Casa has established hes the champ. He won the ring belt, Diaz picked up the scraps of belts and lost to Campbell who Casa already beat. 95% of the fans were calling Juan Diaz the man but that right goes to Casa no doubt

Casa could be to Khan what Tyszu was to Hatton

re Campbell - pretty good "scraps" becoming the guy to take away Juan Diaz's aura of invulnerability! I went back to Casa-Campbell 1 - had Casa winning 6-4 in rds over 10. i think if he beats him again it just really cements his career and bridges "lineal" and "unified" titles. (and also make up for that Santa Cruz performance which was well below par).

IMO Khan will make it to world class more convincingly than Hatton. There will be no WBU clowning around I hope. Given that Hatton spent about 14 defences there, & has mixed results at world class, a case could be made that's his true level. Amir seems the more natural talent so hopefully he steps up cinvincingly.

Wouldn't Warren want proper sanctioning body belts, rather than "just" a magazine title for Khan? I think British fighters like to have the "big four" belts; Ring titles don't seem t have really caught on over here. You seldom see Boxing News acknowledging a Ring mag/lineal champ.

I'm getting confused as to who holds which belt/interim title at present. From what I can gather, a win over Kristjansen would improve Khan's WBO ranking and take him the Casa/Campbell route. Both too dangerous at this stage, IMO. Pac will probably beat David Diaz for the WBC, vacate immediately and move on. That might present Amir with a more realistic opportunity - just depends who's in the opposite corner.

With the lightweight division so replete with talent - both with the current crop and the 130 pounders likely to move up in the not-too-distant future (Guzman, Gamboa, even JMM if Pac grants him a re-match at 135) - Khan's best bet for a world title might be at 140 against Kotelnik who, whilst technically accomplished, looks, to me, more beatable for Amir than the aforementioned 135 pounders.

Casa is still the lineal champ for beating Corrales though he was stripped of the WBC belt to accomodate Eric Morales-David Diaz after he tried unsuccessfully to get a revenge fight with Freitas.

After beating Katsidis I think Casa has a couple of "interim" titles - probably the WBO and WBC.

WBA title holder Juan Diaz was collecting the belts against ambition-lacking titlists Freitas (WBO) and Julio Diaz (IBF), who both quit against him, before getting his arse kicked by Nate Campbell.

So we have this crazy situation where Campbell is practically undisputed champ - in terms of sanctioning body belts - and with Casamayor as the historically recognised king of the lightweights.


I think ultimately Casamayor and Campbell need to fight each other...again. They had a pretty good fight in the early '00s for those who haven't seen it. GBP have Casamayor so they can get it on HBO I'll bet.

Khan vs the winner of that fight between 36-year-olds would be nice, next year. Like you say if he beats the Dane, Khan will not be far off WBO mandatory which hopefully gets him a shot at the beyond doubt #1!

chesh wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Casa said he wants the money fights. If there's money I'll bet he takes it. Time to step up, Amir?

Or how about wait till Casa and Nate Campbell settle whom the champ is at lightweight and pick on the leftovers?

I think it's too big a step up for Amir at the moment, as he's not fought at anywhere near that level yet. He still needs to prove himself at European level (Thaxton-Romanov winner) first. I'm not one who believes his win over St. Clair has established his world-class credentials. Garry was out of his weight class and some time past his world-class prime.

do you reckon Kristiansen and Romanov might get him ready? Romanov is in the Ring mag top 10 lightweights (as is Khan for that matter).

Autobarn wrote:Casa is still the lineal champ for beating Corrales though he was stripped of the WBC belt to accomodate Eric Morales-David Diaz after he tried unsuccessfully to get a revenge fight with Freitas.

After beating Katsidis I think Casa has a couple of "interim" titles - probably the WBO and WBC.

WBA title holder Juan Diaz was collecting the belts against ambition-lacking titlists Freitas (WBO) and Julio Diaz (IBF), who both quit against him, before getting his arse kicked by Nate Campbell.

So we have this crazy situation where Campbell is practically undisputed champ - in terms of sanctioning body belts - and with Casamayor as the historically recognised king of the lightweights.


I think ultimately Casamayor and Campbell need to fight each other...again. They had a pretty good fight in the early '00s for those who haven't seen it. GBP have Casamayor so they can get it on HBO I'll bet.

Khan vs the winner of that fight between 36-year-olds would be nice, next year. Like you say if he beats the Dane, Khan will not be far off WBO mandatory which hopefully gets him a shot at the beyond doubt #1!

Thanks for that. Glad someone can keep up with these things!

Autobarn wrote:

chesh wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Casa said he wants the money fights. If there's money I'll bet he takes it. Time to step up, Amir?

Or how about wait till Casa and Nate Campbell settle whom the champ is at lightweight and pick on the leftovers?

I think it's too big a step up for Amir at the moment, as he's not fought at anywhere near that level yet. He still needs to prove himself at European level (Thaxton-Romanov winner) first. I'm not one who believes his win over St. Clair has established his world-class credentials. Garry was out of his weight class and some time past his world-class prime.

do you reckon Kristiansen and Romanov might get him ready? Romanov is in the Ring mag top 10 lightweights (as is Khan for that matter).

I think Romanov would definitely help get him ready for a world-title shot. I think Khan needs to win convincingly at that level (the bridge between Euro and true world class) before he is put in with the real champs. I see the Kristiansen fight as a "treading water" type of fight which won't tell us anything new.

I love the way Lightweight and to a certain extent light welter are panning out.

Amir Khan, as it stands, will have no easy route to a title, which will only bode him well. As long as the WBO stays in the hands of Casmayor or Campbell, Kahn would have to face the number 1 or 2 in the divison.

If he goes for the vacant WBC route (presuming Manny fights and beats Diaz and moves up to 140) then at least Khan has won a credible belt which at least enforces mandatories.

As for 140, its good news in one sense that Kotelnik beat Rees as all the champs at 140 now would present considerable problems for Khan.

No easy route to the top for Khan is only a good thing and hopefully now he can up his level of comeptetion to be ready for the big boys.