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Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 08:03
by BoxBuzz
Terry D....thanks for your rephrasing and your emphasis on factual items.
It seems no matter how FACTS are presented, whether by a preponderance of evidence or beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of the degree of legitimacy or reasonability they are presented with, TRUTH will not stand a chance with any Johnny one note that has, after a life time of toil and hard labor finally found their own nose. And in turn firmly believes that this discovery represents the final frontier in the cosmos'.
They will argue with the existence of a wall if the wall appears to be further out that than the nose they know to be the end of the universe.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 13:00
by BoxBuzz
Terry D wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:Terry D....thanks for your rephrasing and your emphasis on factual items.
It seems no matter how FACTS are presented, whether by a preponderance of evidence or beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of the degree of legitimacy or reasonability they are presented with, TRUTH will not stand a chance with any Johnny one note that has, after a life time of toil and hard labor finally found their own nose. And in turn firmly believes that this discovery represents the final frontier in the cosmos'.
They will argue with the existence of a wall if the wall appears to be further out that than the nose they know to be the end of the universe.
He'll be back to tell everyone that Liston's wife does not know what she is talking about. After all we know she was paid off by Ali and is part of the Ali industry. What does Liston's ex-wife know about it all? She is not privy to 'inside' information. She is not a 'face' on the scene.
In all my years I would never think that the best looking boxer of all time, a guy with decent skills, who fought the best names available, who impacted dramatically on perception and social issues, and who was also very witty would manage to gather so many fans/Shills/Hauser.
Agreed, and I agree with granberry in a sort of odd way that each story should be scrutinized for legitimacy.
And all the facts in this case add up to a Liston lacking in self Confidence who didn't really believe in himself and already had his excuse made before he entered the ring. Yep the ref turned numbscull in the ring and made a bonehead decision which did not help. But after that shot he took he was not a man who steeled himself to show his ability or a man outraged by the judges error....he seemed more bewildered and perhaps relieved but not the imposing figure that one might expect, that would be demanding justice. He honestly was stunned by that shot....there simply is no room for doubt on that.
Imagine if that was Joe Frazier that went down? He'd be back up throwing shots at anything in front of him. He would not go quietly like this pseudo bully. You can be mad at Liston for letting himself down...that's fair, but you can't go after the one man who sincerely did come to fight that day.
I agree Liston could have gone on....he could have gotten up in time, it was in his hands...he had at least some control over these events. It would not however have changed the eventual outcome. Liston did not have what it took to complete the mission. Period.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 14:13
by granberry
Amusing to watch the members of
The Religion twist and gyrate in their agony.
The fight was a
FAKE.
.
The poster they all have pasted up next to their Che poster on the wall above them as they peck at their keyboards is a poster of a FAKE fight.
IT'S A FAKE.
lol
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 14:17
by BoxBuzz
granberry wrote:Amusing to watch the members of
The Religion twist and gyrate in their agony.
The fight was a
FAKE.
.
The poster they all have pasted up next to their Che poster on the wall above them as they peck at their keyboards is a poster of a FAKE fight.
IT'S A FAKE.
lol
It's certainly clear that Ali came to fight. Nothing fake about that.
Certainly looks as if Sonny wasn't quite up to the task from that pic.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 14:17
by granberry
"Ali knocked Liston cold"
Allen Bara--NY TIMES
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 14:21
by granberry
"IT WAS A PHONY"
George Chuvalo
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 14:23
by granberry
BoxBuzz wrote:granberry wrote:Amusing to watch the members of
The Religion twist and gyrate in their agony.
The fight was a
FAKE.
.
The poster they all have pasted up next to their Che poster on the wall above them as they peck at their keyboards is a poster of a FAKE fight.
IT'S A FAKE.
lol
It's certainly clear that Ali came to fight. Nothing fake about that.
Certainly looks as if Sonny wasn't quite up to the task from that pic.
Poor buzz is in AGONY.
His hero's 'legacy' is based on quicksand.
.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 14:44
by Collins2000
granberry wrote:Amusing to watch the members of The Religion twist and gyrate in their agony.
The truly amusing thing is you posting the same nonsense week after week.
It's one thing to say the average fan in here knows nothing about boxing and so cannot appreciate the pearls of wisdom you cast before them.
But the acknowledged boxing people on "the greatest thread ever", guys who have been around boxing all their lives also reject your views and label them as being ridiculous.
In fact, the sole support for your wacky ideas seems to come from Davey and Elma... Need I say more?
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 15:37
by granberry
Collins2000 wrote:granberry wrote:Amusing to watch the members of The Religion twist and gyrate in their agony.
The truly amusing thing is you posting the same nonsense week after week.
It's one thing to say the average fan in here knows nothing about boxing and so cannot appreciate the pearls of wisdom you cast before them.
But
the acknowledged boxing people on "the greatest thread ever", guys who have been around boxing all their lives also reject your views and label them as being ridiculous.
In fact, the sole support for your wacky ideas seems to come from Davey and Elma... Need I say more?
Comments from the west coast thread which boxrec's resident snake collins 'missed':
Rick Farris wrote:
Granberry-
Good stuff amigo!
-Rick Farris
___________________________________________________
Rick Farris wrote:Granberry,
Your information on Yaqui Lopez in Philly, Saad Mahammad, etc. was great!
As an L.A. gym rat, I saw a lot of great wars between legendary Mexican champs, etc. However, Philly has always had this rep for great gym wars, and I was a fan of most of those great Philadelphia middle & welterweights.
This past Oct. we, Dan Hanley & I, interviewed Georgie Benton, who was inducted as a trainer. Unfortunatly, we didn't have the time that need be devoted to such a great source of history. I loved watching Benton fight, not to mention Bennie Briscoe, Harold Johnson, "Kitten" Hayward, Gypsy Joe Harris, etc.
Hopefully, Benton will attend our '08 WBHOF banquet. If so, we'll be prepared to do it as it should be done.
-Rick
__________________________________________________
Rick Farris wrote:
granberry wrote:
Rick Farris writes that he would like to interview Georgie Benton.
Benton lost his own career sitting around and waiting.
He was a used as a ‘policeman’ in the overall agenda.
And then his career was over. His years as a fighter were gone.
WHY? Because Carter was supposed to get a title fight (which he then did) and Benton was a dutiful soldier for the people who were controlling things. Carter didn’t belong in the same ring with a fighter like Benton.
This is very interesting. Right after the WBHOF banquet ended last year, most of the boxers & guests, including myself, had rooms at the Hotel. I was with an old friend who helped us conduct the interviews and we went into the bar to have a drink. George Benton, and one of his son's who'd accompanied him, were sitting at the bar.
I took the stool next to Benton and bought he and his son a drink. Earlier in the evening we'd interviewed Benton, and Dan Hanley did a good job despite having no time to prepare. It was one of those on-the-spot things. I jumped in and we pulled a bit more out of George, however,
it was what we discussed "off camera" in the bar that validates, in my mind, what you share in the above post.
I won't continue at this moment, as my wife of less than a week has plans for us. I fight with just about anybody, but I don't cross this Brazilian lady.
-Rick
___________________________________________________
Lausse wrote:Granberry,
That was one hell of a story, and it makes much more sense now to me as to why he looked so dramatically different in his fight versus Scott who he outclassed and then his poor showing vs Gregory. I never could figure out why he fought the way he did in that fight as that wasn`t his usual style and he threw almost no body punches either which he normaly did. A shame what happened to him as he had a lot of potential and was a very strong guy with a good head on his shoulders, would you happen to know what Jerry is up to these days and how he is doing by any chance?
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 16:00
by Collins2000
granberry wrote:posted a series of replies he got early on in the "greatest thread ever" before he started abusing the boxing guys because they didn't buy his baloney
Here's a more representative sample.
I like this one. Granberry, like his #1 fan Elma, got a bit excited about a short story someone posted and went into a rant and had to be calmed down.
kikibalt wrote:
Its a short story my boy, it fiction, son you have to learn how to read fiction.
Followed by:
Rick Farris wrote:
LOL! He certainly knows how to write fiction.
Bennie doesn't seem to rate granberry's boxing knowledge too highly.
bennie wrote:Hey, Granberry, who was the only other man to cut Ali as a pro? This should be a doddle to an expert like you (cough, cough).
In response to granberry claiming he was someone who knew better than the real boxing guys:
kikibalt wrote:At least I have the HUEVO'S to say who I'm, and not hide behind a dingy name.
What they really think of our resident boxing insider:
Rick Farris wrote:
Frank, we gotta leave this poor guy alone. The poor bastard doesn't even have the sense to realize we are setting him up & knocking him down. I guess we should go back to ignoring the poor man, and get back to REAL boxing history! I promised to lay off of him, and to the board moderators I apologize. Mr. Nut berry will always be welcomed to post his nonsense, it adds comic relief to the truth. Once again, keep entertaining us Mr. Cranberry, and I personally promise to try aviiding my desire to pick up an easy win, when I take you to task.
lol:
Nicely summed up:
Goodnight, Irene wrote:I take it you won't be posting these latest, "endorsements" from your fellow posters in other threads, Gran?
You are a fraud, mate. Worse, a fraud with an agenda you are too dense to even build a pretense of objectivity for. It is a source of much mirth to all of us
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 16:15
by granberry
collins will now EXPLAIN why Rick Farris wrote the following,
LOL
Comments from the west coast thread which boxrec's resident snake collins 'missed':
Rick Farris wrote:
Granberry-
Good stuff amigo!
-Rick Farris
___________________________________________________
Rick Farris wrote:Granberry,
Your information on Yaqui Lopez in Philly, Saad Mahammad, etc. was great!
As an L.A. gym rat, I saw a lot of great wars between legendary Mexican champs, etc. However, Philly has always had this rep for great gym wars, and I was a fan of most of those great Philadelphia middle & welterweights.
This past Oct. we, Dan Hanley & I, interviewed Georgie Benton, who was inducted as a trainer. Unfortunatly, we didn't have the time that need be devoted to such a great source of history. I loved watching Benton fight, not to mention Bennie Briscoe, Harold Johnson, "Kitten" Hayward, Gypsy Joe Harris, etc.
Hopefully, Benton will attend our '08 WBHOF banquet. If so, we'll be prepared to do it as it should be done.
-Rick
__________________________________________________
Rick Farris wrote:
granberry wrote:
Rick Farris writes that he would like to interview Georgie Benton.
Benton lost his own career sitting around and waiting.
He was a used as a ‘policeman’ in the overall agenda.
And then his career was over. His years as a fighter were gone.
WHY? Because Carter was supposed to get a title fight (which he then did) and Benton was a dutiful soldier for the people who were controlling things. Carter didn’t belong in the same ring with a fighter like Benton.
This is very interesting. Right after the WBHOF banquet ended last year, most of the boxers & guests, including myself, had rooms at the Hotel. I was with an old friend who helped us conduct the interviews and we went into the bar to have a drink. George Benton, and one of his son's who'd accompanied him, were sitting at the bar.
I took the stool next to Benton and bought he and his son a drink. Earlier in the evening we'd interviewed Benton, and Dan Hanley did a good job despite having no time to prepare. It was one of those on-the-spot things. I jumped in and we pulled a bit more out of George, however,
it was what we discussed "off camera" in the bar that validates, in my mind, what you share in the above post.
I won't continue at this moment, as my wife of less than a week has plans for us. I fight with just about anybody, but I don't cross this Brazilian lady.
-Rick
___________________________________________________
Lausse wrote:Granberry,
That was one hell of a story, and it makes much more sense now to me as to why he looked so dramatically different in his fight versus Scott who he outclassed and then his poor showing vs Gregory. I never could figure out why he fought the way he did in that fight as that wasn`t his usual style and he threw almost no body punches either which he normaly did. A shame what happened to him as he had a lot of potential and was a very strong guy with a good head on his shoulders, would you happen to know what Jerry is up to these days and how he is doing by any chance?
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 16:18
by granberry
collins the snake is getting more and more desperate.
LOL
"IT WAS A PHONY"
George Chuvalo
Ali shills like collins get FRANTIC when the light is shown on their hero.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 16:28
by Collins2000
granberry wrote:collins will now EXPLAIN why Rick Farris wrote the following,
Rick Farris wrote:
Frank, we gotta leave this poor guy alone. The poor bastard doesn't even have the sense to realize we are setting him up & knocking him down. I guess we should go back to ignoring the poor man, and get back to REAL boxing history! I promised to lay off of him, and to the board moderators I apologize. Mr. Nut berry will always be welcomed to post his nonsense, it adds comic relief to the truth. Once again, keep entertaining us Mr. Cranberry, and I personally promise to try aviiding my desire to pick up an easy win, when I take you to task.
lol:
granberry, I can only assume he wrote it because, like everyone on here except for Davey and Elma
, he has figured you out to be a fraud and a blowhard poseur.
LOL
.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 16:34
by Collins2000
Rick Farris wrote:
Mr. Nut berry will always be welcomed to post his nonsense, it adds comic relief to the truth.
lol
I second that.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 16:44
by BoxBuzz
graniteberry, he can not be moved, he can not evolve, he can not reconsider, he can not be open to new evidence.
graniteberry. A finished product. Complete in every detail.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:09
by granberry
Collins2000 wrote:
Granberry, I am UNABLE to explain why Rick Farris wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Granberry-
Good stuff amigo!
-Rick Farris
___________________________________________________
Rick Farris wrote:Granberry,
Your information on Yaqui Lopez in Philly, Saad Mahammad, etc. was great!
As an L.A. gym rat, I saw a lot of great wars between legendary Mexican champs, etc. However, Philly has always had this rep for great gym wars, and I was a fan of most of those great Philadelphia middle & welterweights.
This past Oct. we, Dan Hanley & I, interviewed Georgie Benton, who was inducted as a trainer. Unfortunatly, we didn't have the time that need be devoted to such a great source of history. I loved watching Benton fight, not to mention Bennie Briscoe, Harold Johnson, "Kitten" Hayward, Gypsy Joe Harris, etc.
Hopefully, Benton will attend our '08 WBHOF banquet. If so, we'll be prepared to do it as it should be done.
-Rick
__________________________________________________
Rick Farris wrote:
granberry wrote:
Rick Farris writes that he would like to interview Georgie Benton.
Benton lost his own career sitting around and waiting.
He was a used as a ‘policeman’ in the overall agenda.
And then his career was over. His years as a fighter were gone.
WHY? Because Carter was supposed to get a title fight (which he then did) and Benton was a dutiful soldier for the people who were controlling things. Carter didn’t belong in the same ring with a fighter like Benton.
This is very interesting. Right after the WBHOF banquet ended last year, most of the boxers & guests, including myself, had rooms at the Hotel. I was with an old friend who helped us conduct the interviews and we went into the bar to have a drink. George Benton, and one of his son's who'd accompanied him, were sitting at the bar.
I took the stool next to Benton and bought he and his son a drink. Earlier in the evening we'd interviewed Benton, and Dan Hanley did a good job despite having no time to prepare. It was one of those on-the-spot things. I jumped in and we pulled a bit more out of George, however,
it was what we discussed "off camera" in the bar that validates, in my mind, what you share in the above post.
I won't continue at this moment, as my wife of less than a week has plans for us. I fight with just about anybody, but I don't cross this Brazilian lady.
-Rick
___________________________________________________
Lausse wrote:Granberry,
That was one hell of a story, and it makes much more sense now to me as to why he looked so dramatically different in his fight versus Scott who he outclassed and then his poor showing vs Gregory. I never could figure out why he fought the way he did in that fight as that wasn`t his usual style and he threw almost no body punches either which he normaly did. A shame what happened to him as he had a lot of potential and was a very strong guy with a good head on his shoulders, would you happen to know what Jerry is up to these days and how he is doing by any chance?
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:16
by BoxBuzz
One of a kind granny....
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:23
by Collins2000
For a guy who has claimed he doesn't care what anyone in here thinks of him, granberry seems hysterically proud of what the real boxing guys thought of his early posts............................................. Of course, he's a bit more coy about the "Mr Nutberry" episode.
Cue a glowing tribute from his 2 aliases, Galt and RABID.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:26
by Collins2000
granberry, why do the real boxing guys call you Mr Nutberry?
LOL
.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:30
by granberry
Ali shills like collins can't take when photos like this are posted:
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:33
by granberry
Boxrec moderator boxbuzz has stated that it is "defamation" to post this photo:
WHY would boxbuzz consider it "
defamation" to post this photo?
http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... c&start=50
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:40 pm
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:36
by granberry
According to Ali shill collins, photos like this MUST NOT see the light of day:
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Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:36
by granberry
Alii shills like buzz and collins get quite upset when photos like the one below (of 185 pound Henry Cooper and Ali) are posted:
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 17:40
by Collins2000
granberry wrote:Ali shills like collins can't take when photos like this are posted:
Mr Nutberry, the photos are fine.
But it's your ridiculous comments accompanying them that make them so amusing.
Why don't you grab your walker, hook up your mobile colestomy bag and come over to "other sports" section and talk about non-boxing conspiracy theories? I'd love to hear your take on the moon landing etc. Try and keep it real though. I don't want any shite like "Does the moon really exist?".
LOL
.
Posted: 20 Mar 2008, 18:35
by BoxBuzz
LOL....Ok no it's not defamation to post that photo. I only questioned your relentless campaign on this subject. Your tenacity is beyond description. However I am getting the general message.
ALI = BAD..NO...VERY BAD..NO ABYSMAL
COLLINS = BAD
JIMMY YOUNG = GOOD
SOUTHPAWS = BAD
SOUTHPAWS THROWING LEFT HOOK AND PUNCHING SELF IN FACE = GOOD
HITTING SELF IN FACE = GOOD
RING MAGAZINE = BAD
JOE FRAZIER KD OF ALI = GOOD
HENRY COOPER KD OF ALI = GOOD
SONNY BANKS KD OF ALI = GOOD
THRILLA IN MANILLA = BAD
ALI FRAZIER II = BAD
I FEEL FINE = BAD
BOXBUZZ = BAD
RUMBLE IN THE JUNGLE = BAD
ALI - LISTON 1 & 2 = BAD EVERYONE ON EAST COAST KNEW IT BAD
ALI - TERRELL = NO COMMENT
ALI - WILLIAMS = BAD CAT...TOO SHOT]
ALI -SPINKS 1 = GOOD
ALI - SPINKS 2 = BAD
ALI - HOLMES = GOOD
ALI - BERBICK = GOOD
ALI - NORTON 1 = GOOD
ALI -NORTON 2 & 3= BAD
ALI KD's of BONAVENA = BAD
EDDIE FUTCH = BAD
TERRY D = BAD
ALI SHILLS = BAD
LIVING WITH ROACHES = GOOD
TONY PEREZ ENDING ROUND EARLY = GOOD