We were told May, at the annual meeting last year. Yes, the 2006 rule book is in effect - except a new person can't get it any more unless he/she asks their LBC president, if they even know to.Mel - the new rulebook is due out later this summer according to USA Boxing.
Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
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DCAmateurBoxing
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
One thing about USA Boxing is that their site is so large, they remove pages, but not links and files. I have found athletes that have turned pro several years ago with their profiles still online. Anyhow, here is current 06 rulebook link (large file 51MB):boxmel wrote:We were told May, at the annual meeting last year. Yes, the 2006 rule book is in effect - except a new person can't get it any more unless he/she asks their LBC president, if they even know to.Mel - the new rulebook is due out later this summer according to USA Boxing.
http://www.usaboxing.org/2006RuleBook.pdf
Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
Unfortunately, most new officials and coaches don't read this forum so they are in the dark.Anyhow, here is current 06 rulebook link (large file 51MB):
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Now that it is listed here, we can spread the word. Maybe somone can put it into a separate thread so it will be easier to find later.
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I added a thread with the link, Dennis.Dennis wrote:Now that it is listed here, we can spread the word. Maybe somone can put it into a separate thread so it will be easier to find later.
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has anyone heard, if a decision has been rendered on luis yanez? would love to know if he is back on.
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Hi Sherry - unless someone who posts here has "inside" information, we'll probably have to wait until USAB makes a statement. 
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coLadyref you sound like you know luis ,it so sad that you have to hide behind a screen name to show your dislike for a person what did this kid do to you that you have so much hatered in you, sometime people have to think outside the box, but you are so closed mind you could not think period.
Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
Sharon_villa
1st of all you do not know me, nor do you know how to spell for that matter! Think out side the box.............are you for real??? I know and see BOTH sides you are the one that is closed minded to defend Luis and only Luis! IF you are a mother are/were your children allowed to run all over you, say and do what they want when they want? I do not have hatred in me for a young and gifted boxer that pissed away his olympic dreams! I adore Luis and have worked with him quite a bit! He has talent and is a very good boxer, he is also a grown-up and knows right from wrong, he knows he played games and was not forth-coming with his information, he can claim he was so busy taking care of he drug addicted sister, but he can also be seen and heard in an interview from a NIGHT CLUB how he was there to support his friend and he is "the King of Dallas", was this before or after he cared for his sister and her four kids? He could have called and kept in touch with his coaches while "ridin' to the club" for that matter! JUST becaused he boxed his heart out and made the olympic team does not give him the right to disregard rules or the CODE OF CONDUCT he signed, being the grown-up that he is! He can say NOW that this will determine his future career, too bad he wasnt thinking that the night he was accepting an award, when he had ALREADY received TWO letters demanding his return, too bad he was thinking about that when he "allegedly" told a team mate he didn't WANT to go to Argentina, he shows up to the OTC claiming he came back and was not permitted to enter, he knew when he returned and his team mates were in route to Argentina he had been removed from the team, yet he played the wounded bird. I am angry that such a gifted young boxer thought it was ok to act however he wants, do whatever he wants and there be not consequences to his actions. They were (and still are) a TEAM, Luis' actions have affected EVERYONE! Reporters hounding the boxers and their families for comments, disrupting things, they lost a team mate, just like he lost a team! Have YOU spent ANY time with the team????? I certainly have and your assumption that the moral must be crappy or whatever you said.......get you facts straight before you run off at the mouth!!! You bash Dan Campbell, there are THREE other coaches and Campbell was not the "ONE" that made the initial decision, I dont HIDE behind my screen name, you are just nosey and dying to know who I am, I am a person that knows what REALLY happened and I am tired of everyone blaming the wrong people or criticizing what they only know HALF the story, WHO was Yanez's coach at the Pan-Am sharon_villa? If coaches don't want their boxers to do international boxing or EVER have olympic dreams, then they should never try to take them to that level!! If they cannot sit back and let them "go" to the INTERNATIONAL COACHES, then what? If coaches want to go to the olympics, then they need to be Lev 4 coaches, not assume it is their RIGHT to go with their boxers! Funny if a coach does not make a regional or national trip and the team coach is in their corner, they aren't crying about that!! I'm not a man, so I would NEVER try to have an arguement with one on standing up to pee, I stay in MY lane, just like a man can never talk to me about the pains of child birth!! I do not, try and tell the Olympic Coaches how to coach and they do not tell me how to ref or judge, what is YOUR lane sharon_villa? Perhaps you should stay in it!! I am very disappointed that Luis made such a grave blunder in judgement and he will pay a HEAVY price for it, but his actions had consequences and now he will have a serious price to pay, I am curious, we hear a lot about how YANEZ was helping his drug addicted sister and her four kids, where was the rest of the family? Where was his coach? Who said "Luis, you are getting letters demanding your return to training camp, this is your future, your dream! Go back to camp and WE will take care of the drug addicted sister and her four kids." We see him at home now doing interviews and training in his gym, so his sister MUST be better or someone else is helping out while he is getting all this tv time. I know if my son, brother, cousin friend from around the way was going to the olympics and was getting in trouble for not returning we'd all pitch in, just like he said "latinos put family FIRST" ok, then where was his family when it came time to put HIM first and not cost him his dreams???
1st of all you do not know me, nor do you know how to spell for that matter! Think out side the box.............are you for real??? I know and see BOTH sides you are the one that is closed minded to defend Luis and only Luis! IF you are a mother are/were your children allowed to run all over you, say and do what they want when they want? I do not have hatred in me for a young and gifted boxer that pissed away his olympic dreams! I adore Luis and have worked with him quite a bit! He has talent and is a very good boxer, he is also a grown-up and knows right from wrong, he knows he played games and was not forth-coming with his information, he can claim he was so busy taking care of he drug addicted sister, but he can also be seen and heard in an interview from a NIGHT CLUB how he was there to support his friend and he is "the King of Dallas", was this before or after he cared for his sister and her four kids? He could have called and kept in touch with his coaches while "ridin' to the club" for that matter! JUST becaused he boxed his heart out and made the olympic team does not give him the right to disregard rules or the CODE OF CONDUCT he signed, being the grown-up that he is! He can say NOW that this will determine his future career, too bad he wasnt thinking that the night he was accepting an award, when he had ALREADY received TWO letters demanding his return, too bad he was thinking about that when he "allegedly" told a team mate he didn't WANT to go to Argentina, he shows up to the OTC claiming he came back and was not permitted to enter, he knew when he returned and his team mates were in route to Argentina he had been removed from the team, yet he played the wounded bird. I am angry that such a gifted young boxer thought it was ok to act however he wants, do whatever he wants and there be not consequences to his actions. They were (and still are) a TEAM, Luis' actions have affected EVERYONE! Reporters hounding the boxers and their families for comments, disrupting things, they lost a team mate, just like he lost a team! Have YOU spent ANY time with the team????? I certainly have and your assumption that the moral must be crappy or whatever you said.......get you facts straight before you run off at the mouth!!! You bash Dan Campbell, there are THREE other coaches and Campbell was not the "ONE" that made the initial decision, I dont HIDE behind my screen name, you are just nosey and dying to know who I am, I am a person that knows what REALLY happened and I am tired of everyone blaming the wrong people or criticizing what they only know HALF the story, WHO was Yanez's coach at the Pan-Am sharon_villa? If coaches don't want their boxers to do international boxing or EVER have olympic dreams, then they should never try to take them to that level!! If they cannot sit back and let them "go" to the INTERNATIONAL COACHES, then what? If coaches want to go to the olympics, then they need to be Lev 4 coaches, not assume it is their RIGHT to go with their boxers! Funny if a coach does not make a regional or national trip and the team coach is in their corner, they aren't crying about that!! I'm not a man, so I would NEVER try to have an arguement with one on standing up to pee, I stay in MY lane, just like a man can never talk to me about the pains of child birth!! I do not, try and tell the Olympic Coaches how to coach and they do not tell me how to ref or judge, what is YOUR lane sharon_villa? Perhaps you should stay in it!! I am very disappointed that Luis made such a grave blunder in judgement and he will pay a HEAVY price for it, but his actions had consequences and now he will have a serious price to pay, I am curious, we hear a lot about how YANEZ was helping his drug addicted sister and her four kids, where was the rest of the family? Where was his coach? Who said "Luis, you are getting letters demanding your return to training camp, this is your future, your dream! Go back to camp and WE will take care of the drug addicted sister and her four kids." We see him at home now doing interviews and training in his gym, so his sister MUST be better or someone else is helping out while he is getting all this tv time. I know if my son, brother, cousin friend from around the way was going to the olympics and was getting in trouble for not returning we'd all pitch in, just like he said "latinos put family FIRST" ok, then where was his family when it came time to put HIM first and not cost him his dreams???
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DCAmateurBoxing
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
First of all, I was really looking forward to seeing Luis in Beijing, but unfortunately COladyref is right. I really wish there was another answer, but everything she said is either from news reports or interviews with the parties involved. It's a very tough lesson to learn. Hopefully, other boxers and coaches and families will use this as an example to help avoid a boxer working so hard to get sooooo close to their goal - only to make some bad decisions and have that opportunity disappear.
I really hope that the team and coaches can still focus on the task at hand - when this will undoubtedly be a focus for media, whether he is let back on the team or not. Remember, an arbitrator is the next option.
I really hope that the team and coaches can still focus on the task at hand - when this will undoubtedly be a focus for media, whether he is let back on the team or not. Remember, an arbitrator is the next option.
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sharon_villa
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
CoLadyRef, Blah, Blah, Blah .. that's what you wrote.. next time make it short and sweet to long and boring. I have no time for people like you that claim so much crap. I hope and pray that he win the arbritration so everybody that wrote all this negative stuff can kiss his ):( .. PS never mind my spelling it got your damm attention ....didn't it 
Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
This is really sad and it shouldn't have come down to this. Looks like USA Boxing will have low morale going into Bejing. If the boxing team performs poorly.......every person involved in this incident will get blamed one way or another.
Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
I'm not going to pretend that I know enough about the particulars to have any definitive opinion, but I haven't read anything yet that makes it obvious to me that Yanez should be kicked off the team. There may be a Code of Conduct that was violated, which is fine as a legal justification, but I'm not sure if there is really a competitive justification. How much does he really hurt the team? Is there a concern he won't be disciplined enough to make weight or show for the weigh-in? Then again, his teammates all did pretty plainly say he had messed up, so I would certainly believe he has been acting like a jerk (but the majority of them that I read also said he should be brought back).
But now we get to this situation where Yanez will use the courts to try and save his bid - he has nothing to lose at this point. So now, is this distraction bigger than the original problem? Again - no inside info - but what efforts were made to resolve this after the Yanez' transgressions but before it got to this point?
I think the boxers are put into a bit of a box, probably because they are young and mostly poor. Everyone is saying Yanez, as a young adult, has to live with his own actions, but the whole rules-for-the-sake-of-rules focus seems a bit paternal to me. If he's a kid who needs constant discipline, then forgive his mistakes. If he's an adult that has to live with his choices, than give him agency over his own direction. Are you telling me that none of the swimmers and sprinters and other 'team' individual athletes aren't pains in the asses? That they don't place demands on the team in regards to their own training and coaching ideas? Bode Miller never got kicked off the US Ski team that I recall, and he openly challenged just about every convention of the team and bragged about skiing drunk.
That's my uneducated opinion anyway. This is going to end as a regrettable episode for everyone, regardless of who is at blame.
But now we get to this situation where Yanez will use the courts to try and save his bid - he has nothing to lose at this point. So now, is this distraction bigger than the original problem? Again - no inside info - but what efforts were made to resolve this after the Yanez' transgressions but before it got to this point?
I think the boxers are put into a bit of a box, probably because they are young and mostly poor. Everyone is saying Yanez, as a young adult, has to live with his own actions, but the whole rules-for-the-sake-of-rules focus seems a bit paternal to me. If he's a kid who needs constant discipline, then forgive his mistakes. If he's an adult that has to live with his choices, than give him agency over his own direction. Are you telling me that none of the swimmers and sprinters and other 'team' individual athletes aren't pains in the asses? That they don't place demands on the team in regards to their own training and coaching ideas? Bode Miller never got kicked off the US Ski team that I recall, and he openly challenged just about every convention of the team and bragged about skiing drunk.
That's my uneducated opinion anyway. This is going to end as a regrettable episode for everyone, regardless of who is at blame.
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Athorn4941
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
There needs to be a look at how we run USA Boxing to prevent this from happening again.
As to how are system is different from other countries that excel in the amateur boxing system, since there system is different from ours.
1. Have the coaches that have brought these athletes to this level more involved in the training. I am not saying bringing them all to Beijing, but having them up at the training center a month or two so both the national coach and the personal coach can each learn from each other on that particular athlete and that way both coaches benefit from the share of knowledge. Maybe having the personal coaches rotate through to have them help with the training of all the boxers and to spread ideas and different ways of getting things done.
2. More strict on how they handle the infractions of rules instead of letting it get this far. This should have been kept quiet.
3. More activity on the part of the athletes competing. If they can not get international bouts have them still compete by entering tournaments.
4. I don't know exactly how the stipends work now but, have a seperate party handle the stipends so there is no influence on how the stipends are dished out to the athletes and national coaches.
Any other ideas on how to improve the system. People should post it. There really is no point bickering now cuase what is done is now done.
As to how are system is different from other countries that excel in the amateur boxing system, since there system is different from ours.
1. Have the coaches that have brought these athletes to this level more involved in the training. I am not saying bringing them all to Beijing, but having them up at the training center a month or two so both the national coach and the personal coach can each learn from each other on that particular athlete and that way both coaches benefit from the share of knowledge. Maybe having the personal coaches rotate through to have them help with the training of all the boxers and to spread ideas and different ways of getting things done.
2. More strict on how they handle the infractions of rules instead of letting it get this far. This should have been kept quiet.
3. More activity on the part of the athletes competing. If they can not get international bouts have them still compete by entering tournaments.
4. I don't know exactly how the stipends work now but, have a seperate party handle the stipends so there is no influence on how the stipends are dished out to the athletes and national coaches.
Any other ideas on how to improve the system. People should post it. There really is no point bickering now cuase what is done is now done.
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sharon_villa
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
CoLadyRef- I know exactly who you are, your name and everything so don't you worry about that. I know more than what you think .
Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
Sorry, Emile - being young and poor (which most of them are not) is no excuse for being allowed to break the rules. Gotta learn to take responsibility for your actions sometime in your life.I think the boxers are put into a bit of a box, probably because they are young and mostly poor.]
The stipends come from the USOC. However, it is not their job to individually hand out any monies - that's what the NGB's are for.
I think the entire residency program needs to be relooked at; how the athletes are handled in such a situation needs to be carefully thought out and procedures, policies and consequences firmed up and presented in a way that all those participating understand.
Frankly, at this point, it will all hinge on the arbitration hearing and decision. I do believe the arbitration is binding, so there might not be any further appeal process after that if it doesn't go the way Luis wants it to. (Just found out there is - Luis can appeal to the international sport arbitraton board.) So, he'll either be on the team or he won't and whatever the decision, seems to me this horse has been beat to death.
Just my opinion.
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therealPunchDrunk
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
Sharon_villa, if I was Luis Yanez, I'd be ashamed of having someone like you defending me the way you do. Shame on you.
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Ya know - everyone is entitled to their opinion. Let's not let this forum disappear in the muck. Okay?Sharon_villa, if I was Luis Yanez, I'd be ashamed of having someone like you defending me the way you do. Shame on you.
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therealPunchDrunk
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
I agree. Opinions should be argued for though, this person won't even acknowledge other people's arguments as anything other than "crap," makes it a personal issue instead of a debate, and the last post was one step away from being a threat.boxmel wrote:Ya know - everyone is entitled to their opinion. Let's not let this forum disappear in the muck. Okay?Sharon_villa, if I was Luis Yanez, I'd be ashamed of having someone like you defending me the way you do. Shame on you.
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Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
I dont HIDE behind my screen name, you are just nosey and dying to know who I am, I am
therealPunchDrunk before you start saying it was a threat, trust me it wasn't it was a reply to statment that was made by her.which I pasted in the top. So no it was not a threat just to get that clear.
therealPunchDrunk before you start saying it was a threat, trust me it wasn't it was a reply to statment that was made by her.which I pasted in the top. So no it was not a threat just to get that clear.
Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
In my opinion USA boxing has done the right thing, however I can still see both sides of the argument. If they let Yanez back on the team then they are really showing they dont have the situation under control and other boxers are just going to take advantage of that knowing they can break the rules and go unpunished. On the other hand Yanez has worked hard to get to the Olympics and legitimately qualifed through at the World Championships, so I can see why some people might think he still earned the right to compete in the Olympics no matter how hes acted. I think in the long run this will be a better move then letting Yanez on the team because in my opinion it will set some guys straight seeing what might happen to their Olympic dreams, if they dont follow the rules.
Just my opinion and I dont want to be dragged into these little internet battles!
Just my opinion and I dont want to be dragged into these little internet battles!
Re: Luis Yanez kicked off Olympic team
Yanez is back on the team! Dallas morning news says. 7/15/2008
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If they let Yanez back on the team then they are really showing they dont have the situation under control and other boxers are just going to take advantage of that knowing they can break the rules and go unpunished.
Did you see at http://www.quickdfw.com that it is being said that Yanez has been reinstated? He will have to apologize to everyone, admit wrongdoing, and pay back training fees and ect. It was said that USAB wanted to avoid an outside arbitration. I personally think this was a bad decision, but oh well.
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NOW the team can get back to concentrating on the Olympics and medals..............let's see if "alls well that ends well"
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It is being said that part of Yanez getting back on the team is that he has to agree to an ongoing psychological exam. Maybe he had more issues than anyone thought!