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Maskaev is slow as hell Haye by KO round no.2

The Maniac wrote:Maskaev is slow as hell Haye by KO round no.2

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Maskaev's a good first opponent for Haye. He's hard hitting and is ranked in the top ten in two sanctioning bodies. He's shot, of course he is, but come on lads, did you expect anything different? I am looking forward to this and I can see Haye stopping in two, if not ealier and then moving on to better things.

The fight should sell, with Maskaev being a recent WBC champ. The fight should secure Haye a very good world ranking, if successful. Maskaev IS a dangerous bloke, and with Haye you don't quite know what's going to happen. It ticks all the boxes.

Let him fight a young contender who will push him, in the next fight. Someone like Arreola.

Until then there is nothing wrong with this contest as a 2nd/3rd heavyweight bout. Holyfield took thing sgradually when he moved up, so there's no reason Haye shouldn't.

If it's fairly priced it could sell well.

Haye could re-ignite the London pro-scene in a big, big way(akin to Hatton in Manchester)

I have many a non-fight fan friend that can't wait to go and see "The Hayemaker" in action.

Be good to have a Londoner fighting on his home turf regularly, infront of 20 thousand.
The o2 is made for big fights...just hope they don't go on too late like the Macca bout did!!!

Max Molyneux wrote:

Shirow wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote: Haye will perform well, Maskaev Is even slower now and won't tell us a thing about Haye at HW. Maskaev maybe a Natural heavy but he's too shot to give Haye any trouble now. Will be like the Maccarinelli fight were Haye starts fast and hits hard enough to stagger him then stops him with a flurry when Oleg's too shaky to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB1X_NcJMo

A top 10 ranking In the WBC doesn't mean your good enough to still be top 10. Haye won't be backing up his horribly cringing trah talk either.

I think that clip detracts from your argument. I didn't see any evidence that Maskaev was shot. His is a well schooled boxer who went toe to toe with Samuel Peter, didn't dropped but got hurt more than he hurt Peter.

Oleg is a recent world champ and a legit top HW. He's a good opponent for the same reason i wanted Ibragimov. Everyone will be able to directly compare Haye's perfomance against Peter's (Wlad's) perfomance.

Who should Haye be fighting instead? Who has recently fought in better company and is not scheduled?

Also i think Maskaev will come in hungry it would be a high profile win for him and i was very impressed with the shape & performance he put in against Samil Sam when he could have very easily been under motivated.

No, the clip still shows how slow he's become and worn out. Peter Isn't that good of a champion anyway, he's been exposed as chinny as well and his power Is controversial as he's hitting opponents to the back of the head first before the KO shots.

Peter is chinny now? Because of a couple of knockdowns! Klitschko landed a few bombs on him and he didn't go down I wouldn't say he's chinny at all. Your logic (or lack of) defies belief sometimes.

nickd wrote: Peter is chinny now? Because of a couple of knockdowns! Klitschko landed a few bombs on him and he didn't go down I wouldn't say he's chinny at all. Your logic (or lack of) defies belief sometimes.

Alot of what I say defies belief due to many peoples over sensitivity. Your last sentence reeks of It. Least I didn't hype up Lacy and Pavlik as threats to Calzaghe. You even thought Hatton achieved more than Joe because of one win over Tszyu.

Your logic Is far worse.

McCline ain't a puncher either, Klitschko was landing at close distance without full reach that's why and many landed on the top of his skull too rather than the chin. Alot of holding too In the Wlad and Peter fight as well for them to have time to shake off the last shot.

Max Molyneux wrote:

nickd wrote: Peter is chinny now? Because of a couple of knockdowns! Klitschko landed a few bombs on him and he didn't go down I wouldn't say he's chinny at all. Your logic (or lack of) defies belief sometimes.

Alot of what I say defies belief due to many peoples over sensitivity. Your last sentence reeks of It. Least I didn't hype up Lacy and Pavlik as threats to Calzaghe. You even thought Hatton achieved more than Joe because of one win over Tszyu.

Your logic Is far worse.

McCline ain't a puncher either, Klitschko was landing at close distance without full reach that's why and many landed on the top of his skull too rather than the chin. Alot of holding too In the Wlad and Peter fight as well for them to have time to shake off the last shot.

Is it laughable to say Hatton's win over Tszyu is better than any Calzaghe win? Arguable maybe but certainly not laughable. Not like comparing Pavlik to Gatti or some of the stuff you come out with about Pacquiao.

Anyway I certainly wouldn't label Peter chinny because of one fight that he came back to win.

Lenny wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:

nickd wrote: Peter is chinny now? Because of a couple of knockdowns! Klitschko landed a few bombs on him and he didn't go down I wouldn't say he's chinny at all. Your logic (or lack of) defies belief sometimes.

Alot of what I say defies belief due to many peoples over sensitivity. Your last sentence reeks of It. Least I didn't hype up Lacy and Pavlik as threats to Calzaghe. You even thought Hatton achieved more than Joe because of one win over Tszyu.

Your logic Is far worse.

McCline ain't a puncher either, Klitschko was landing at close distance without full reach that's why and many landed on the top of his skull too rather than the chin. Alot of holding too In the Wlad and Peter fight as well for them to have time to shake off the last shot.

Is it laughable to say Hatton's win over Tszyu is better than any Calzaghe win? Arguable maybe but certainly not laughable. Not like comparing Pavlik to Gatti or some of the stuff you come out with about Pacquiao.

Anyway I certainly wouldn't label Peter chinny because of one fight that he came back to win.

Calzaghe's wins over Kessler and Lacy shit over the Tszyu win. Tszyu's the bigger name obviously but It's how they won In my opinion, Hatton and Tszyu fouled each other and went to war while Joe outclassed both his guys who were considered threats.

Both were fresher than Tszyu too who was always troubled when you got on the Inside and didn't allow him timing and reach for his danger punch. Plus he wasn't very active even before the Injuries for someone who was considered a great champ.

Pavlik Is a come forward fighter who eats punches and not hard to hit hence my Gatti comparasion, he wins mostly In a war. Not hard to outbox If your good enough and Joe Is more than good enough to make Pavlik look bad.

Pacquiao's best wins are over shot Mexicans and Marquez beat him twice Imo, even wider In the rematch which was disgusting how Pac got It, he looked limited and got counter punched and timed well like I thought. Some of his fans are beyond crazy as well, he;s even used as a political pawn In the Philippines too.

Haye might as well went to try and get Peter to fight him, easy win and a title. Peter's overrated. A good chinned fighter doesn't get dropped by the bulky McCline either.

Max Molyneux wrote: A good chinned fighter doesn't get dropped by the bulky McCline either.

And blood shouldn't come out of my arse-hole, but it does....

Don't forget, everyone was sure as hell that Maskaev was shot to pieces 8 years ago - finished, kaput.
That's why the Germans brought him over as a patsy for Sam...he's a great pick from the Haye camp though, ambitious yes, but he does have that air of vunerability about him, and they're no doubt banking on him being a sitting duck for a fast start by Haye.

But it's still a big gamble for the Haye camp - and all his backers are gonna be very nervous come fight night. The Russian is no mug, he could well avoid a few of the early bombs, and one mistake by Haye and his heavyweight dreams could be up in smoke.

Terry D wrote:
If a guy weighing more than 15 stone twats you on the chin the chances are that you are going down.

Jim Rosenthal looks stunned for a moment, composes himself

"And now over to Barry McGuigan"

Terry D wrote:Behind you,

Oh no he isn't.

Calzaghe's win over Lacy shits over Hatton win over Tszyu? Well done Max, you've topped last weeks bullshit statement, I wonder what's planned for next week??!!

Lenny wrote:Calzaghe's win over Lacy shits over Hatton win over Tszyu? Well done Max, you've topped last weeks bullshit statement, I wonder what's planned for next week??!!

It's certainly a shocking statement to make!

I put it to Max that Haye's wins over Mormeck and Maccarinelli are better than Joe's over Lacy and Kessler.

Ricky's win over the all time great Tszyu tops the lot.

Max Molyneux wrote:

nickd wrote: Peter is chinny now? Because of a couple of knockdowns! Klitschko landed a few bombs on him and he didn't go down I wouldn't say he's chinny at all. Your logic (or lack of) defies belief sometimes.

Alot of what I say defies belief due to many peoples over sensitivity. Your last sentence reeks of It. Least I didn't hype up Lacy and Pavlik as threats to Calzaghe. You even thought Hatton achieved more than Joe because of one win over Tszyu.

Your logic Is far worse.

McCline ain't a puncher either, Klitschko was landing at close distance without full reach that's why and many landed on the top of his skull too rather than the chin. Alot of holding too In the Wlad and Peter fight as well for them to have time to shake off the last shot.

Oversensitive how? What are you on?

Yeah you're the most logical person here Max I think everyone would agree with that.

Does anyone ever agree with the rubbish you write?

Lenny wrote:Calzaghe's win over Lacy shits over Hatton win over Tszyu? Well done Max, you've topped last weeks bullshit statement, I wonder what's planned for next week??!!

Probably something like 'Nathan Cleverley is better than Tavoris Cloud because he is trained by Enzo Calzaghe and because he has knocked out less people, which means he is more skilled as he has to relly less on power'

yiddo14 wrote:

Lenny wrote:Calzaghe's win over Lacy shits over Hatton win over Tszyu? Well done Max, you've topped last weeks bullshit statement, I wonder what's planned for next week??!!

It's certainly a shocking statement to make!

I put it to Max that Haye's wins over Mormeck and Maccarinelli are better than Joe's over Lacy and Kessler.

Ricky's win over the all time great Tszyu tops the lot.

I don't think that Mormeck and Maccarinelli are better than Lacy and Kesslar because I just don't think Maccrinelli is that good.

However lets compair like with like, having won his first world title in his 23rd fight (only took him slightly longer than haye so props for that) he fought Branko Sobot who had a devistating record of 14-1 in his next match, before waiting another 18 fights until he had a unification and then a mear 4 fights later he moved up a weight, while Haye fought a unification in his next fight and then moved up to fight a fighter who is previously a world champion at HW (remembering stepping up to HW is much more difficult because of there being no upper weight limmit. That ambition does piss all over Calzaghes.

yiddo14 wrote:

Lenny wrote:Calzaghe's win over Lacy shits over Hatton win over Tszyu? Well done Max, you've topped last weeks bullshit statement, I wonder what's planned for next week??!!

It's certainly a shocking statement to make!

I put it to Max that Haye's wins over Mormeck and Maccarinelli are better than Joe's over Lacy and Kessler.

Ricky's win over the all time great Tszyu tops the lot.

Haye's wins were great, the Tszyu win beats Hayes two though, Hatton had less of a struggle In his win while Haye struggled a little with Mormeck.

Joe destroying Lacy was the most one sided beating I've seen In boxing, has any other fighter won every second of the 12 rounds so easy with any fighter regardless of their level?

Oversensitive how? What are you on?

Yeah you're the most logical person here Max I think everyone would agree with that.

Does anyone ever agree with the rubbish you write?

Anyone ever agree with your hypocritical nonsense?

What I on? Least I don't post like I have a rat up my ass when I see something I disagree with.

Max Molyneux wrote:
Joe destroying Lacy was the most one sided beating I've seen In boxing, has any other fighter won every second of the 12 rounds so easy with any fighter regardless of their level?

Yes. And there are many occasions when the opponent hasn't lasted the 12 rounds. Paquaio-Diaz just the other week, for example. Or does Diaz not making the final bell make that a lesser performance?

Max Molyneux wrote:
Haye's wins were great, the Tszyu win beats Hayes two though, Hatton had less of a struggle In his win while Haye struggled a little with Mormeck.

Oh, and surely you're taking the piss with this. Hatton went tooth and nail with a guy who'll be in the hall of fame within a decade. Haye had a hard fight against a very good fighter. Both fantastic wins. Glad you recognise that Hatton's win over Tszyu as being a great win though. Singularly better than anything Joe has done..

Max Molyneux wrote: Does anyone ever agree with the rubbish you write?

Anyone ever agree with your hypocritical nonsense?

What I on? Least I don't post like I have a rat up my ass when I see something I disagree with.

I think you live in your own little world most of the time.

states wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:
Haye's wins were great, the Tszyu win beats Hayes two though, Hatton had less of a struggle In his win while Haye struggled a little with Mormeck.

Oh, and surely you're taking the piss with this. Hatton went tooth and nail with a guy who'll be in the hall of fame within a decade. Haye had a hard fight against a very good fighter. Both fantastic wins. Glad you recognise that Hatton's win over Tszyu as being a great win though. Singularly better than anything Joe has done..

I do regonise It as a great win.

No way was It better than the one sided beatdown Joe delivered on Lacy though, althought namewise Tszyu Is better but I'm going off performance.

Yes. And there are many occasions when the opponent hasn't lasted the 12 rounds. Paquaio-Diaz just the other week, for example. Or does Diaz not making the final bell make that a lesser performance?

Yeah, he didn't stop him and he cuffs shots due to bad hands or the cuffs cause the hands to Injure but it doesn;'t take anything away from the performance just because he didn't stop him.

I think you live in your own little world most of the time.

You just prove me right every time.

Terry D wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:

nickd wrote: Peter is chinny now? Because of a couple of
knockdowns! Klitschko landed a few bombs on him and he didn't go down I
wouldn't say he's chinny at all. Your logic (or lack of) defies belief
sometimes.

Alot of what I say defies belief due to many
peoples over sensitivity. Your last sentence reeks of It. Least I
didn't hype up Lacy and Pavlik as threats to Calzaghe. You even thought
Hatton achieved more than Joe because of one win over Tszyu.

Your logic Is far worse.

McCline
ain't a puncher either, Klitschko was landing at close distance without
full reach that's why and many landed on the top of his skull too
rather than the chin. Alot of holding too In the Wlad and Peter fight
as well for them to have time to shake off the last shot.

If a guy weighing more than 15 stone twats you on the chin the chances are that you are going down.

As for Tszyu, Lacy or Kessler. One of those guys is going to be remembered. Kessler is touch-and-go based on his last fight. Could the fact thay you got into boxing around 2005 and watch very little 'old' stuff be contributing to the nonsense you spout about Tszyu?

True, but McCline Isn't very quick either to deliver KO punches with his bulky weight. Peter's bulkiness didn't keep him up strangely either.

I got Into boxing In 2004 In latish July, I joined boxrec In August of 2004. I watch as much old stuff as I can find, not like boxing had much TV coverage until recenly for older fights either as I have to go to pubs or my dads for sky sports when no other channel was showing any fights. Being a fan from then doesn't mean anything, It's your opinion If I speak nonsense or not.

Tszyu was an Inacitve once a year champ for someone who's HOF matierial though, Leija getting on the Inside with Tszyu was able to give him a hard fight though, Hatton Is an Inside fighter, hence he had the style to beat him. He was too reliant on right hand and timing and thats not nonsense. Just because he's considered HOF matierial doesn't mean I have to think like the rest of you either on him.

Max Molyneux wrote:

states wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:
Haye's wins were great, the Tszyu win beats Hayes two though, Hatton had less of a struggle In his win while Haye struggled a little with Mormeck.

Oh, and surely you're taking the piss with this. Hatton went tooth and nail with a guy who'll be in the hall of fame within a decade. Haye had a hard fight against a very good fighter. Both fantastic wins. Glad you recognise that Hatton's win over Tszyu as being a great win though. Singularly better than anything Joe has done..

I do regonise It as a great win.

No way was It better than the one sided beatdown Joe delivered on Lacy though, althought namewise Tszyu Is better but I'm going off performance.

Yes. And there are many occasions when the opponent hasn't lasted the 12 rounds. Paquaio-Diaz just the other week, for example. Or does Diaz not making the final bell make that a lesser performance?

Yeah, he didn't stop him and he cuffs shots due to bad hands or the cuffs cause the hands to Injure but it doesn;'t take anything away from the performance just because he didn't stop him.

I think you live in your own little world most of the time.

You just prove me right every time.

Rubbish Max, you have to take into account the quality of the opponent otherwise you may as well say Hatton's performance against Pendleton was better than Joe's performance against Lacy. Yes Joe looked great but Lacy was marching forward onto his punches all night long and was made for Calzaghe to look great, as a performance i'd rank it equal to Wright over Trinidad but not over Paquiao v Diaz. Hatton had to dig deep and beat Tszyu the best way there is, it was a tougher fight, against a far far better opponent than Joe's win over Lacy. The two are not really comparable. I'd say Hatton going toe to toe and stopping Castillo is a better win than Joe over Lacy.

Due you consider the win over Lacy to be a better performance than the win over Kessler?