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granberry wrote:

Chuck1052 wrote:Of all of the top heavyweights of the 1970s, Joe Frazier would be the worst possible opponent for Jimmy Young. Yes, Young had quite a bit of success vs. other sluggers such as George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle, but Frazier had much, much more stamina than the mentioned fighters in addition to his relentless aggressiveness in the ring. As a result, I feel that Frazier would destroyed Young even though the latter had quite a bit of ring savvy.

- Chuck Johnston

Young beat Foreman.

Frazier didn't.

BoxBuzz wrote:

granberry wrote:

Chuck1052 wrote:Of all of the top heavyweights of the 1970s, Joe Frazier would be the worst possible opponent for Jimmy Young. Yes, Young had quite a bit of success vs. other sluggers such as George Foreman, Earnie Shavers and Ron Lyle, but Frazier had much, much more stamina than the mentioned fighters in addition to his relentless aggressiveness in the ring. As a result, I feel that Frazier would destroyed Young even though the latter had quite a bit of ring savvy.

- Chuck Johnston

Young beat Foreman.

Frazier didn't.

If they fought one hundred times Foreman would beat Frazier one hundred times...

Now to Young, if Foreman wasn't so concerned about how he would fare in round twelve instead of conserving his energy in round two, he might have went on one of his patented assaults, walked through whatever defense Young mounted, and got him out of there...

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TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Why did Jimmy Young stick his head through the ropes three times in two minutes?

Go to the 3:55 to the 6:00 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuwGPnie ... re=related

How do you beat the champ by running out the ring?

evndrbsn wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Why did Jimmy Young stick his head through the ropes three times in two minutes?

Go to the 3:55 to the 6:00 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuwGPnie ... re=related

How do you beat the champ by running out the ring?

The first one was treated as a knockdown as you see the referee count. I don't see how the next two weren't considered knockdowns; Ali sure went at him without abandon when Young was between the ropes. When Ali was getting close, Young wanted nothing to do with it and looked for anyway out. Unfortunately for him, Ali landed his best shots then.

granberry wrote:Jimmy wiped up the ring with Ali.

Young rubbed Ali's nose in it.

He exposed all of Ali's flaws and limitations.

Ali worshippers HATE Young with a passion for doing that.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Ali eventually became so frustrated that he began leaning over the ropes to bang him on top of his head. Heroes do not do this sort of thing, and Young—though clearly wrong—won sympathy.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Jimmy wiped up the ring with Ali.

Young rubbed Ali's nose in it.

He exposed all of Ali's flaws and limitations.

Ali worshippers HATE Young with a passion for doing that.

A challenger is not given a champion's title. He must take that title, preferably with his hands, but with a ring post if necessary. Young never has been a positive fighter, and he was far from it against Ali . He is a fighter of slight craft with a few cute moves. On the attack, his jab is a trifle, his punching of no account. On defense, caution marks his every move, his eyes are always on the exit doors. As the old wheeze goes, Young is a fighter without bad intentions. He is also not a Philadelphia fighter, that primordial strain of workmen who have left a wake of blood and upsets in the ring; Philadelphia fighters know how to take titles.

For the most part, Young was a passive figure against Ali . On six occasions he ducked outside of the ropes and stayed there like a man looking out a window. It was not accidental. He was not slipping a punch. It was unconscionable behavior for a man who wants the heavyweight championship of the world. According to Maryland ring rules, Young should have been censured for this action; it is called a "stand-up knockdown." He was given a two count once. The rest of the time he was allowed to take the rarefied air of the $200 ringside. Ali eventually became so frustrated that he began leaning over the ropes to bang him on top of his head. Heroes do not do this sort of thing, and Young—though clearly wrong—won sympathy.


The scoring came, and so did more boos. The referee called it 10-3-2 for Ali , one judge saw it 7-5-3 for Ali and the other one gave it to him, 11-4. Despite the way their rounds were broken down—one judge didn't give Young a round until the 11th—the decision was correct. There was no way anyone could justify taking the title from Ali ; Young had had his own vote, but he had chosen to abstain. Public sympathy now leans toward Young, but when it is dissected it is really only an emotional response to a champion who toyed with the sensibilities of the crowd and its intelligence, a champion who was not prepared to fight the way he could and should. Ali can play the philosopher in fool's rags and be believed, he can utter ridiculous and dumb things and be applauded for them, yet when he steps into a ring for $1.6 million, he owes it to himself and his position to be worth every cent of it, or else he can no longer talk of dignity—for anybody.



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raylawpc wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Ali eventually became so frustrated that he began leaning over the ropes to bang him on top of his head. Heroes do not do this sort of thing, and Young—though clearly wrong—won sympathy.

I wonder exactly what Kram thought Ali was supposed to do when Young stuck his head through the ropes like that?

granberry wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Jimmy wiped up the ring with Ali.

Young rubbed Ali's nose in it.

He exposed all of Ali's flaws and limitations.

Ali worshippers HATE Young with a passion for doing that.

A challenger is not given a champion's title. He must take that title, preferably with his hands, but with a ring post if necessary. Young never has been a positive fighter, and he was far from it against Ali . He is a fighter of slight craft with a few cute moves. On the attack, his jab is a trifle, his punching of no account. On defense, caution marks his every move, his eyes are always on the exit doors. As the old wheeze goes, Young is a fighter without bad intentions. He is also not a Philadelphia fighter, that primordial strain of workmen who have left a wake of blood and upsets in the ring; Philadelphia fighters know how to take titles.

For the most part, Young was a passive figure against Ali . On six occasions he ducked outside of the ropes and stayed there like a man looking out a window. It was not accidental. He was not slipping a punch. It was unconscionable behavior for a man who wants the heavyweight championship of the world. According to Maryland ring rules, Young should have been censured for this action; it is called a "stand-up knockdown." He was given a two count once. The rest of the time he was allowed to take the rarefied air of the $200 ringside. Ali eventually became so frustrated that he began leaning over the ropes to bang him on top of his head. Heroes do not do this sort of thing, and Young—though clearly wrong—won sympathy.


The scoring came, and so did more boos. The referee called it 10-3-2 for Ali , one judge saw it 7-5-3 for Ali and the other one gave it to him, 11-4. Despite the way their rounds were broken down—one judge didn't give Young a round until the 11th—the decision was correct. There was no way anyone could justify taking the title from Ali ; Young had had his own vote, but he had chosen to abstain. Public sympathy now leans toward Young, but when it is dissected it is really only an emotional response to a champion who toyed with the sensibilities of the crowd and its intelligence, a champion who was not prepared to fight the way he could and should. Ali can play the philosopher in fool's rags and be believed, he can utter ridiculous and dumb things and be applauded for them, yet when he steps into a ring for $1.6 million, he owes it to himself and his position to be worth every cent of it, or else he can no longer talk of dignity—for anybody.



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TheOne does not know that Sports Illustrated in the number one shill organ for Ali in the entire media.

Sports Illustrated brags about how many times they have had Ali on their cover.

Their shilling for Ali is revolting.

TheOne, a devout member of The Religion of Ali, does not know this.

TheOne will go on quoting Ali shill "sources" to the end of time.

Jimmy Young exposed Ali's flaws and limitation for 15 rounds

and laughed in Ali's face while he did that.

That is why Jimmy Young is so HATED by the pawns who continually quote Thomas Hauser and the revolting Sports Illustrated in their pathetic existence as devout members of The Religion of Ali.

dempseyfire wrote:Going back to the original thread topic, I agree with Chuck, style-wise Frazier is hell for Young.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Going back to the original thread topic, I agree with Chuck, style-wise Frazier is hell for Young.

Frazier might not be as charitable as Muhammad...If he stuck his head out the ring against him,Joe might have really clobbered him...

raylawpc wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Going back to the original thread topic, I agree with Chuck, style-wise Frazier is hell for Young.

Frazier might not be as charitable as Muhammad...If he stuck his head out the ring against him,Joe might have really clobbered him...

Can you imagine what would have happened had he tried that crap with Marciano?

granberry wrote:TheOne, in his Religion of Ali worship of Ali,

does not know that Mark Kram was a longtime Sports Illustrated "boxing" writer.

Kram wrote for Sports Illustrated until he was exposed as one of Don King's stooges, collecting more than his salary at the magazine from Don King at the same time.

granberry wrote:Ali's brother and Bundini yelled loudly at Ali during the Jimmy Young fight,

"YOU'RE LOSING, ALI. YOUR'E LOSING."

This was easliy hearable on the ABC broadcast.

Howard Cosell called attention to this and the camera panned over to them and they yelled up at Ali from where they stood below his corner.


How did you MISS that, TheOne?

LOL

granberry wrote:Mention of the name Jimmy Young makes members of The Religion of Ali FRANTIC.

As is evidenced by Ali worshipper TheOne's going into his rabid mode of posting at the mention of Young.

Jimmy Young OWNED Ali.

For 15 rounds.

granberry wrote:Jimmy Young gave Ali a BOXING LESSON.

That is why Jimmy Young is so hated by members of The Religion of Ali.

Mention Jimmy Young and you will an absolutely frantic reaction from Worshippers of Ali.

TheOne's (collins') frantic, rabid posting here is another example of that.

No matter how rabidly members of the Religion post,

they cannot change the fact that Jimmy Young gave Ali a boxing lesson for all to see.

granberry wrote:Lester Bromberg called the decision in the Young-Ali fight "A travesty of a decision."

Bromberg scored the fight 11 rounds for Young, and 4 for Ali.

But what does Lester Bromberg know about boxing.

LOL