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Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 09:33
by REAL_DEAL
Odlanier Solis is the best fight to take. It's got history. Solis probably is a future champ if he knuckles down. I don't think Haye would want it thou.
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 09:36
by mrbassie
boxingchat wrote:When David Haye announced that he was to be promoting himself, at heavyweight, with a multi-fight deal with Setanta and the O2, he stated (as did Setanta) that he would be fighting "quality heavyweights" from the beginning of the deal.I, aswell as many other boxing fans that I have spoke to, felt genuinely excited by Hayes claims of cleaning up the heavyweight division and beating the best put there in the process.
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight who I for one have never heard of. All the promises of big names and big promotions, both from promoter/fighter and broadcaster, have been found seriously short.Chapmans last win was against the world renowned Rich Boruff (KO 2) in the Shaikh Rashid Hall, Dubai. This is obviously why Hayemaker have gone for this option. Proven quality track record.
He is ranked highly (WBO 7, WBA 9, WBC 13), but with the current state of the heavyweight division, surely Haye has to be fighting one of the bigger names IF he is to be taken seriously as a heavyweight fighter (and promoter), and secondly if he wants to fill the O2 (did anyone else hear that pin drop?). Boxrec have this guy ranked at 114.........and the IBO have him at 92. Maybe they have missed something the governing bodies have noticed in this guy.
I think its a piss take for Haye to declare himself a promoter then behave like this.......and i for one hope that nobody is stupid enough to buy a ticket for the O2 show.
Seriously disapointed.
I think you're right and Haye should have signed with Warren; perhaps Bobby Gunn, Tocker Pudwill or Aldo Rios would be willing to move up in weight and then you'd have no problem.
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 09:39
by DG.
mrbassie wrote:boxingchat wrote:When David Haye announced that he was to be promoting himself, at heavyweight, with a multi-fight deal with Setanta and the O2, he stated (as did Setanta) that he would be fighting "quality heavyweights" from the beginning of the deal.I, aswell as many other boxing fans that I have spoke to, felt genuinely excited by Hayes claims of cleaning up the heavyweight division and beating the best put there in the process.
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight who I for one have never heard of. All the promises of big names and big promotions, both from promoter/fighter and broadcaster, have been found seriously short.Chapmans last win was against the world renowned Rich Boruff (KO 2) in the Shaikh Rashid Hall, Dubai. This is obviously why Hayemaker have gone for this option. Proven quality track record.
He is ranked highly (WBO 7, WBA 9, WBC 13), but with the current state of the heavyweight division, surely Haye has to be fighting one of the bigger names IF he is to be taken seriously as a heavyweight fighter (and promoter), and secondly if he wants to fill the O2 (did anyone else hear that pin drop?). Boxrec have this guy ranked at 114.........and the IBO have him at 92. Maybe they have missed something the governing bodies have noticed in this guy.
I think its a piss take for Haye to declare himself a promoter then behave like this.......and i for one hope that nobody is stupid enough to buy a ticket for the O2 show.
Seriously disapointed.
I think you're right and Haye should have signed with Warren; perhaps Bobby Gunn, Tocker Pudwill or Aldo Rios would be willing to move up in weight and then you'd have no problem.
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Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 09:41
by REAL_DEAL
boxingchat wrote:
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight
Who was Breidis Prescott An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) lightweight. Looked what happened there. I don't have a problem with JD Chapman i think it would be a better fight then the old heavyweights ex champs around. A lot of people will disagree with me there. I think Haye made a mistake stating his first fight would be a ranked opponent/big opponent.
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 10:02
by banjo
Personally I don't see anything wrong with Chapman he may turn out to be a bum, but he is a genuine heavyweight and he has a record that suggests he can bang a bit. At least it won't be a Bobby Gunn situation ie, a blown up light middle fighting a much bigger man.
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 10:03
by Chambers2
REAL_DEAL wrote:boxingchat wrote:
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight
Who was Breidis Prescott An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) lightweight. Looked what happened there. I don't have a problem with JD Chapman i think it would be a better fight then the old heavyweights ex champs around. A lot of people will disagree with me there. I think Haye made a mistake stating his first fight would be a ranked opponent/big opponent.
I agree with all of that
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 10:45
by mrbassie
REAL_DEAL wrote:boxingchat wrote:
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight
Who was Breidis Prescott An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) lightweight. Looked what happened there. I don't have a problem with JD Chapman i think it would be a better fight then the old heavyweights ex champs around. A lot of people will disagree with me there. I think Haye made a mistake stating his first fight would be a ranked opponent/big opponent.
See what you're saying but on the other hand, who was Amir Khan? certainly not a former unified champion
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 11:09
by Captain Hook
boxingchat wrote:When David Haye announced that he was to be promoting himself, at heavyweight, with a multi-fight deal with Setanta and the O2, he stated (as did Setanta) that he would be fighting "quality heavyweights" from the beginning of the deal.I, aswell as many other boxing fans that I have spoke to, felt genuinely excited by Hayes claims of cleaning up the heavyweight division and beating the best put there in the process.
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight who I for one have never heard of. All the promises of big names and big promotions, both from promoter/fighter and broadcaster, have been found seriously short.Chapmans last win was against the world renowned Rich Boruff (KO 2) in the Shaikh Rashid Hall, Dubai. This is obviously why Hayemaker have gone for this option. Proven quality track record.
He is ranked highly (WBO 7, WBA 9, WBC 13), but with the current state of the heavyweight division, surely Haye has to be fighting one of the bigger names IF he is to be taken seriously as a heavyweight fighter (and promoter), and secondly if he wants to fill the O2 (did anyone else hear that pin drop?). Boxrec have this guy ranked at 114.........and the IBO have him at 92. Maybe they have missed something the governing bodies have noticed in this guy.
I think its a piss take for Haye to declare himself a promoter then behave like this.......and i for one hope that nobody is stupid enough to buy a ticket for the O2 show.
Seriously disapointed.
Four words - put them into any order you like mate.
Manfredo Bobby Peter Gunn
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 11:16
by Chambers2
mrbassie wrote:REAL_DEAL wrote:boxingchat wrote:
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight
Who was Breidis Prescott An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) lightweight. Looked what happened there. I don't have a problem with JD Chapman i think it would be a better fight then the old heavyweights ex champs around. A lot of people will disagree with me there. I think Haye made a mistake stating his first fight would be a ranked opponent/big opponent.
See what you're saying but on the other hand, who was Amir Khan? certainly not a former unified champion
This fight is Hayes first at HW though, granted he's made a rod for his own back by stating that he's definately going to fight a top 10 oppo in his first outing, but if Haye hadn't of said that nobody would have had any problems with any of the opponents that are being mentioned.
No doubt Hayes had a dose of reality in terms of what the promotion game is really like, but I can't see this experience deterring him one bit. The funs really going to start after Hayes had his first 2 fights at HW and Wlad is firmly in his sites
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 11:24
by mrbassie
Chambers2 wrote:
This fight is Hayes first at HW though, granted he's made a rod for his own back by stating that he's definately going to fight a top 10 oppo in his first outing, but if Haye hadn't of said that nobody would have had any problems with any of the opponents that are being mentioned.
No doubt Hayes had a dose of reality in terms of what the promotion game is really like, but I can't see this experience deterring him one bit. The funs really going to start after Hayes had his first 2 fights at HW and Wlad is firmly in his sites
I don't disagree with you, just playing devil's advocate. Think he's fine for a first opponent. I'd draw the line at Mercer though.
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 18 Sep 2008, 11:52
by Autobarn
As long as the opponent is rated in the top 10 of the WBO, WBA, WBC or IBF, then THIS fight meets the criteria. Knocking out Bonin almost fulfilled this criteria, because he was barely out of the WBC top 10 (regardless of how shaky such ratings can be).
Can't help but think Haye was built up too much expectation, so that what he can realistically deliver comes as a letdown.
Hoping an aged Mercer gets ranked is a bit cynical.
Because Haye is being touted as a star, no one wants to come over here cheap. Again, all the hoopla of the last few months could be backfiring.
I think it would have been better to be busy (rather than the wait for a routine opponent who has been over regarded by a ranking system), to knock guys out regularly, to build a reputation, to improve his profile. Inactivity doesn't do much for a man's ranking. A recent KO win, to build the momentum of the Bonin KO, and the fact that Haye has held every belt one weight down, would not have hurt Haye - at all.
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 26 Sep 2008, 12:45
by THEBUTCH
The initial poster must feel like egg is running all down his face
Monte Barrett is a superb choice of opponent for Haye, better than any I've heard mentioned before.
You've got to hand it to Haye, he's not playing silly buggers and he's also putting his money where his mouth is.
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 26 Sep 2008, 15:54
by twenty six
Me thinks we'll be hearing less and less from the Hertfordshire bum boys.
Perhaps we should create a "group" like you do on your moblie, starting with Boxingchat.
Mr Untouchable ?
Please add to the group here ........
Re: Haye v Chapman.....clash of the heavyweight titans
Posted: 27 Sep 2008, 07:29
by Chambers2
boxingchat wrote:When David Haye announced that he was to be promoting himself, at heavyweight, with a multi-fight deal with Setanta and the O2, he stated (as did Setanta) that he would be fighting "quality heavyweights" from the beginning of the deal.I, aswell as many other boxing fans that I have spoke to, felt genuinely excited by Hayes claims of cleaning up the heavyweight division and beating the best put there in the process.
So.........who is JD Chapman? An unbeaten (who has beaten nobody) heavyweight who I for one have never heard of. All the promises of big names and big promotions, both from promoter/fighter and broadcaster, have been found seriously short.Chapmans last win was against the world renowned Rich Boruff (KO 2) in the Shaikh Rashid Hall, Dubai. This is obviously why Hayemaker have gone for this option. Proven quality track record.
He is ranked highly (WBO 7, WBA 9, WBC 13), but with the current state of the heavyweight division, surely Haye has to be fighting one of the bigger names IF he is to be taken seriously as a heavyweight fighter (and promoter), and secondly if he wants to fill the O2 (did anyone else hear that pin drop?). Boxrec have this guy ranked at 114.........and the IBO have him at 92. Maybe they have missed something the governing bodies have noticed in this guy.
I think its a piss take for Haye to declare himself a promoter then behave like this.......and i for one hope that nobody is stupid enough to buy a ticket for the O2 show.
Seriously disapointed.
Still disappointed BC ??
