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Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 13 Dec 2008, 19:18
by emma
Hagler2002 wrote:emma wrote:when is this fight?
Christmas day and the added bonus is Kell Brook is on the undercard against Antonio Margarito!
really?
well i hope its on after the queen speech.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 13 Dec 2008, 19:21
by Hagler2002
emma wrote:Hagler2002 wrote:emma wrote:when is this fight?
Christmas day and the added bonus is Kell Brook is on the undercard against Antonio Margarito!
really?
well i hope its on after the queen speech.
It is emma, they have rescheduled American TV and rearranged it around Elizabeth's rant.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 13 Dec 2008, 19:25
by stujones
Twinkle Toes wrote:I dunno if I agree with that Stu - Getting hit on the chin hard is going to have a negative effect, the important point being that some fighters can withstand a bit more than another. I think we can agree that Lacy was finished as a fighter after what Calzaghe did to him, and that was one fight.
Cotto was beaten up pretty badly I thought, mix in the mental issues, and he could be on the slippery slope. Cotto is also easy to hit, even when he was battering Gomez he still had his lip busted up, and that was what many perceived as being totally one sided.
I think Jennings can do himself proud here, if anything it is the lack of seasoning which is going to let him down.
Lacy vs Calzaghe wasn't just a hard fight for Lacy - it was a kicking.A fight that could have been stopped as early as the 4th or 5th and somehow lasted the distance. We will never know exactly how much that fight took out of Lacy - cause alot of people, myself included, bought the Lacy hype over beating a shot and disinterested Reid (as subsequent fights showed) and a shot Pemberton (as subsequent fights showed).
But whatever, that was a completely different fight to the Margarito vs Cotto one. The Cotto fight was very close on the cards at the time of the stoppage, it wasn't a one sided pummelling for 3 minutes of every round.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 14 Dec 2008, 08:38
by emma
Hagler2002 wrote:Hagler2002 wrote:
Christmas day and the added bonus is Kell Brook is on the undercard against Antonio Margarito!
emma wrote:really?
well i hope its on after the queen speech.
It is emma, they have rescheduled American TV and rearranged it around Elizabeth's rant.
wow kell brook fighting on chrismas day. Now that
is a christmas present.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 14 Dec 2008, 08:51
by Flump
Good luck to Jennings and all that but this looks a horrible mismatch, mandated by the good old WBO, the same cowboy organisation who brought us Pavlik-Locket and Barrera - Wenton/Lloyd.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 15 Dec 2008, 10:56
by Gray-Fox
^^^
Was just about to say, this will be no different from Pavlik-Lockett...unless Cotto is suddenly shot.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 15 Dec 2008, 11:07
by forcefraser
Jennings will take a heavy beating. Stopped or corner pull out after 3 rounds. Can`t see it any other way.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 15 Dec 2008, 12:03
by Old bones Ian
Jennings has been hurt in the 1st round of a couple of his fights, but he has also shown good skills and knows what to do when hit with a good shot.
Cotto is a completly different level to anything that Michael has faced so far, but i think he may well cause a few problems for Cotto
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 15 Dec 2008, 12:26
by adamiw
i'll be stunned if this fight reaches the 7th..........minute
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 15 Dec 2008, 12:37
by doctorboxing
I predict Cotto to win by decapitation
In all seriousness - why is Jennings fighting someone like Cotto in his first step up from domestic level?? I know it makes him money and he has a "punches chance" but in all reality it will be an absolute beating. Why has Jennings not fought for the European title and maybe fought a few fringe world title contenders before even considering Cotto. Lets not forget Cotto outboxed Tony for most of the first half of the fight, it wasnt like he was out of his depth - he is still a definite p4p contender.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 04:15
by McCannW14
One word for this fight.
Mismatch.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 06:50
by hitman_hatton1
McCannW14 wrote:One word for this fight.
Mismatch.
yep.
jennings struggles unless he can get by on his stick and move tactics.
take him out of his rhythm and he goes down a few levels.
and that's boxing at domestic level.
cotto is gonna be far too much for him.
i just hope the payday is good.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 07:23
by Old bones Ian
We all moan that our top boxers don't go for the top world boxers, and are content to go for the WBU type titles, then when we have one of our lot go against a genuine world class boxer, people moan about it.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 08:06
by hitman_hatton1
Old bones Ian wrote:We all moan that our top boxers don't go for the top world boxers, and are content to go for the WBU type titles, then when we have one of our lot go against a genuine world class boxer, people moan about it.
the ones who are good enuff.
has anyone ever thought jennings was anywhere near good enuff.
i wouldn't tip ricky hatton to beat cotto and he's top class.
jennings lost to young muttley ffs.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 08:18
by Deserter
Old bones Ian wrote:We all moan that our top boxers don't go for the top world boxers, and are content to go for the WBU type titles, then when we have one of our lot go against a genuine world class boxer, people moan about it.
People aren't moaning about that at all, they're moaning (justifiably) about Jennings being 'thrown to the lions' rather than having his career built up properly to prepare him for this level.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 09:13
by black panther
To be fair I think he's what, 31 now? Hardly time to build up your career - he might as well go for it and sure most likely he'll get beat, and beat bad but theres a small chance he could cause cotto a few problems. Even if he's gets beaten easily at least he can say he fought one of the best in the world - no shame in coming up short against a fighter like that. He could well still be unbeaten right now so its not like he's found his level. I think its worse to never test yourself and fight anyone remotely world class your whole career whilst going unbeaten.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 09:20
by Old bones Ian
black panther wrote:To be fair I think he's what, 31 now? Hardly time to build up your career - he might as well go for it and sure most likely he'll get beat, and beat bad but theres a small chance he could cause cotto a few problems. Even if he's gets beaten easily at least he can say he fought one of the best in the world - no shame in coming up short against a fighter like that. He could well still be unbeaten right now so its not like he's found his level. I think its worse to never test yourself and fight anyone remotely world class your whole career whilst going unbeaten.
well said mate
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 09:48
by Deserter
Old bones Ian wrote:black panther wrote:To be fair I think he's what, 31 now? Hardly time to build up your career - he might as well go for it and sure most likely he'll get beat, and beat bad but theres a small chance he could cause cotto a few problems. Even if he's gets beaten easily at least he can say he fought one of the best in the world - no shame in coming up short against a fighter like that. He could well still be unbeaten right now so its not like he's found his level. I think its worse to never test yourself and fight anyone remotely world class your whole career whilst going unbeaten.
well said mate
You're both missing the point... the contention among most on here is that it should never have reached this stage and Jennings should have been brought along at a better pace throughout his career to date.
However, glad you're happy to watch 'fights' like Lockett Vs Pavik
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 10:52
by Old bones Ian
Its boxing, if i was squeamish i wouldn't watch it at all, for me its no different from watching a hot prospect fight a journeyman.
But now and again the journeyman wins, thats one of the reasons we always watch boxing.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 11:19
by Deserter
Old bones Ian wrote:Its boxing, if i was squeamish i wouldn't watch it at all, for me its no different from watching a hot prospect fight a journeyman.
But now and again the journeyman wins, thats one of the reasons we always watch boxing.
I remember the same tired arguments coming out regarding the Pavlik vs Lockett fight and how Lockett had a 'puncher's chance'.
Boxing for me is all about competitive fights, not about lambs to the slaughter. There's no sport in that.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 11:36
by Lenny
Agree with those who have not been too keen on this matchup. Jennings is a lovely little boxer and has some great skills but he is going from strictly domestic class all the way to the top. Jennings career has been a bit of a shame, far too long fighting 6/8 rounds to mark the time when he should have been moved to Euro level and then hopefully to World class as I feel he could have beaten some good guys (although he would have more than 1 defeat on his record). As it is being thrown in with Cotto, he has a snowballs chance in hell and will probably be heavily stopped. All the best to him mind.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 12:48
by Deserter
Terry D wrote:What is the alternative? Ban title holders from fighting supposedly mediocre guys? Allow them to fight catchweight fights against badly faded old men for fight after fight? Cotto is coming off a devastating loss. He is taking on a highly ranked contender. No problem with that.
Jennings may be unfashionable, fighting a contender from your own division (one who has boxed other men in the division over a period of time) may be unfashionable. Yet we do need these type of fights to take place. Otherwise you sit there watching guys like Moore, Froch (until recently) and every British fighter who deserves a shot sitting around watching the world and his, smaller, uncle get a shot at the titles they contend for.
People cannot bitch and moan about bodies cooking their rankings to accommodate lighter/smaller/retired men, only to then throw the toys out of the pram when a ranking guy, one who has worked for that ranking, gets a shot at a title.
Terry, I think your Mancunian bias is getting the better of you here. Just how has Jennings 'worked' for that ranking
?
We don't need these types of matches to take place at all - mismatches are what gives boxing a bad name, as well as the 'badly faded old men' that you reference.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 12:56
by junior pepa seed
Mike will get smashed cotto is to strong and mike has nothin in the arsenal too trouble him cotto world class jennings euro div.
Is kell brook v margarito on same card 4 real what ch?
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 13:28
by emma
junior pepa seed wrote:Mike will get smashed cotto is to strong and mike has nothin in the arsenal too trouble him cotto world class jennings euro div.
Is kell brook v margarito on same card 4 real what ch?
you arnt serious right? of course its NOT.
Re: Cotto-Jennings...how well can Mike do??
Posted: 16 Dec 2008, 13:39
by Loynesy
Sadly not, Margarito is avoiding Brook.