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boxingchat wrote:I'm here. If anyone has a better solution when every other Cruiserweight has turned the fights down then I'd like to hear it. There is not a lot you can do on a Tuesday evening. Herbie Hide was offered the fight, he received the contracts which he agreed to as did his Promoter, although hadn't signed them. He called the Board and accepted the fight and told all that would listen what he was going to do to Enzo Maccarinelli. he even contacted and assured Robert Smith, Dean Powell and Andy Ayling that he wanted this fight and was happy to get the chance. He was told to go and get a weight check and had an appointment made for him in London to have this done - Job done, or so it was thought.

However, since then no one has seen or heard from Herbie Hide...He's disappeared and his phones constantly off - Hide has well and truely hidden.

So there you have it, check every Cruiserweight in the top 15 and see if they were contacted and they will all confirm they were.

Nextt hing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

You lot need to get a grip and learn a little of what you discuss. Billy Bessey should know better too, he's supposed to be a fighter and should appreciate injuries. His comments were stupid and
prhaps if he didn't come on here and slag of Promoters he might find he would earn a decent living instead of being selected as a fall guy in prizefighter.

Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

stujones wrote:I am not blaming Warren for the pullouts, but I am a little bit concerned at the last minute nature of the Banks withdrawal - why wasn't he in the country? Its not like he is a joke fight he has a highly respected trainer who would know about jet lag and the like.

twenty six wrote:The solution is simple but will never happen.
Cancel the PPV element.
I've seen countless Wazza shows that make this bill pale into insignificance at no extra cost to the TV viewer.
Jesus - it's not as though there isn't a subscription to pay for Sky Sports for starters.

bennie wrote:This Saturday at the ExCeL Arena in east London, Enzo Maccarinelli looks to bounce back from his shattering two-round defeat at the hands of David Haye in their cruiserweight unification showdown last March, also in east London.
Big Enzo never got started against the heavy-handed Haye for WBC, WBA and WBO titles at the 02 Arena and was rescued smartly as Haye teed off with right hands. Something of a slow starter, Enzo consoles himself with the fact Haye has since made heavyweight his home. Plus, it wasn't one of those long, punishing defeats. The future actually looks like bright for the talented, big-hitting Swansea giant, still only 28, who was on an eight-year winning run up to Haye and now takes on Puerto Rican substitute Francisco Alvarez for the WBO title made vacant by Haye.
Maccarinelli was due to face unbeaten American Jonathon Banks for the vacant title, but Banks pulled out a few days ago with an ankle injury and a whole host of opponents have been proposed for the Welshman since, from Clinton Woods to Herbie Hide. Hey! Even Emile Griffith may have got a mention. He still wants revenge over a Brit for the Minter thing and has filled out nicely.
In the event the little-known Alvarez takes the money, an inexperienced but fast-starting fighter who has won eight of his 12 fights inside three rounds and lost just the once: to dangerous and unbeaten Russian cruiserweight Alexander Alexeev in four rounds last year. That was actually in Puerto Rico, and the suitably humbled Alvarez has since chanced his arm at light-heavyweight, although this smacks of a better chance for redemption. Anyway, he is 31 but a long-time amateur and a tad more seasoned than his 12 fights suggest. He got in eight timely rounds with a decision over someone called Victor Paz in October.

No matter. Maccarinelli just looks too big, too quick, too powerful for him.

boxingchat wrote:
Next thing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

boxingchat wrote:I'm here. If anyone has a better solution when every other Cruiserweight has turned the fights down then I'd like to hear it. There is not a lot you can do on a Tuesday evening. Herbie Hide was offered the fight, he received the contracts which he agreed to as did his Promoter, although hadn't signed them. He called the Board and accepted the fight and told all that would listen what he was going to do to Enzo Maccarinelli. he even contacted and assured Robert Smith, Dean Powell and Andy Ayling that he wanted this fight and was happy to get the chance. He was told to go and get a weight check and had an appointment made for him in London to have this done - Job done, or so it was thought.

However, since then no one has seen or heard from Herbie Hide...He's disappeared and his phones constantly off - Hide has well and truely hidden.

So there you have it, check every Cruiserweight in the top 15 and see if they were contacted and they will all confirm they were.

Nextt hing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

You lot need to get a grip and learn a little of what you discuss. Billy Bessey should know better too, he's supposed to be a fighter and should appreciate injuries. His comments were stupid and
prhaps if he didn't come on here and slag of Promoters he might find he would earn a decent living instead of being selected as a fall guy in prizefighter.

Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

Deserter wrote:

boxingchat wrote:I'm here. If anyone has a better solution when every other Cruiserweight has turned the fights down then I'd like to hear it. There is not a lot you can do on a Tuesday evening. Herbie Hide was offered the fight, he received the contracts which he agreed to as did his Promoter, although hadn't signed them. He called the Board and accepted the fight and told all that would listen what he was going to do to Enzo Maccarinelli. he even contacted and assured Robert Smith, Dean Powell and Andy Ayling that he wanted this fight and was happy to get the chance. He was told to go and get a weight check and had an appointment made for him in London to have this done - Job done, or so it was thought.

However, since then no one has seen or heard from Herbie Hide...He's disappeared and his phones constantly off - Hide has well and truely hidden.

So there you have it, check every Cruiserweight in the top 15 and see if they were contacted and they will all confirm they were.

Nextt hing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

You lot need to get a grip and learn a little of what you discuss. Billy Bessey should know better too, he's supposed to be a fighter and should appreciate injuries. His comments were stupid and
prhaps if he didn't come on here and slag of Promoters he might find he would earn a decent living instead of being selected as a fall guy in prizefighter.

Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

Boxingchat, I've got one genuine question in the wake of your response (which does have some valid points):
There's an old cliche that failing to plan is planning for failure. And given you/allegedly allegedly have prior experience of situations where shows can be badly damaged by a range of 'pull-outs', why do you not have a more efficient structure in place to deal with this scenario?
Those of us in business know there are occasions you simply can't legislate for, but equally, if there is a recurring situation that causes you problems you implement measures to ensure damage limitation at the very least.
For example, in the case of Enzo, why didn't you have a substitute lined up weeks in advance and with a fully signed contract so that if in the event that Banks dropped out, there was no need for a last-minute scrabble round as you'd planned for this potential eventuality and could just smoothly roll out the sub?
I'm sorry, but all the excuses start to sound a bit tired and lame given we've all been here so many times before. It's not a new situation so not having mechanisms in place to deal with it borders on the unacceptable... unless you can convince me otherwise.

stujones wrote:I've become so sceptical - I just wonder if Banks was used as a marketing tool.

stujones wrote:The WBO should be taken to task on this - Alvarez is not in the top 15... or wasn't Yesterday

housesecond wrote:I give it 2 rounds. I won't be paying for it.

Its no good saying how many people have been offered the fight, if they've not been offered enough money they won't take it.

Old bones Ian wrote: but my moan is the fact that its a 'world title' fight.
As i said it should be a non title 8 or 10 rounder.

boxingchat wrote:I'm here. If anyone has a better solution when every other Cruiserweight has turned the fights down then I'd like to hear it. There is not a lot you can do on a Tuesday evening. Herbie Hide was offered the fight, he received the contracts which he agreed to as did his Promoter, although hadn't signed them. He called the Board and accepted the fight and told all that would listen what he was going to do to Enzo Maccarinelli. he even contacted and assured Robert Smith, Dean Powell and Andy Ayling that he wanted this fight and was happy to get the chance. He was told to go and get a weight check and had an appointment made for him in London to have this done - Job done, or so it was thought.

However, since then no one has seen or heard from Herbie Hide...He's disappeared and his phones constantly off - Hide has well and truely hidden.

So there you have it, check every Cruiserweight in the top 15 and see if they were contacted and they will all confirm they were.

Nextt hing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

You lot need to get a grip and learn a little of what you discuss. Billy Bessey should know better too, he's supposed to be a fighter and should appreciate injuries. His comments were stupid and
prhaps if he didn't come on here and slag of Promoters he might find he would earn a decent living instead of being selected as a fall guy in prizefighter.

Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

jameswilson wrote:Boxrec have this listed as a non title fight funnily enough.

I think the WBO may step in, even for them this would be a bit of a joke of a World title fight.

Deserter wrote:

boxingchat wrote:I'm here. If anyone has a better solution when every other Cruiserweight has turned the fights down then I'd like to hear it. There is not a lot you can do on a Tuesday evening. Herbie Hide was offered the fight, he received the contracts which he agreed to as did his Promoter, although hadn't signed them. He called the Board and accepted the fight and told all that would listen what he was going to do to Enzo Maccarinelli. he even contacted and assured Robert Smith, Dean Powell and Andy Ayling that he wanted this fight and was happy to get the chance. He was told to go and get a weight check and had an appointment made for him in London to have this done - Job done, or so it was thought.

However, since then no one has seen or heard from Herbie Hide...He's disappeared and his phones constantly off - Hide has well and truely hidden.

So there you have it, check every Cruiserweight in the top 15 and see if they were contacted and they will all confirm they were.

Nextt hing you'll be blaming Warren for Bank's Ankle, Cooks Flu, Fosters Car Crash and Bendalls virus....it's all down to him isn't it!

You lot need to get a grip and learn a little of what you discuss. Billy Bessey should know better too, he's supposed to be a fighter and should appreciate injuries. His comments were stupid and
prhaps if he didn't come on here and slag of Promoters he might find he would earn a decent living instead of being selected as a fall guy in prizefighter.

Hennessy has had pull out as has every promter in the Country and proably every sport in the country it's/they are a fact of life so get over it. I wonder if Manchester United get all this shot when fans turn up and Rooney or Ronaldo aren't playing after sustaining an injury. I doubt it.

Boxingchat, I've got one genuine question in the wake of your response (which does have some valid points):
There's an old cliche that failing to plan is planning for failure. And given you/allegedly allegedly have prior experience of situations where shows can be badly damaged by a range of 'pull-outs', why do you not have a more efficient structure in place to deal with this scenario?
Those of us in business know there are occasions you simply can't legislate for, but equally, if there is a recurring situation that causes you problems you implement measures to ensure damage limitation at the very least.
For example, in the case of Enzo, why didn't you have a substitute lined up weeks in advance and with a fully signed contract so that if in the event that Banks dropped out, there was no need for a last-minute scrabble round as you'd planned for this potential eventuality and could just smoothly roll out the sub?
I'm sorry, but all the excuses start to sound a bit tired and lame given we've all been here so many times before. It's not a new situation so not having mechanisms in place to deal with it borders on the unacceptable... unless you can convince me otherwise.