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Cannibal wrote:Following up a Pac win with a win over Mosley or JMM would secure it.

JMM is a Superfeather who has just moved up to lightweight.


If Hatton beats Pacman (he will because Pacman is not even a lightweight) then he beats Mosley and Cotto then he has an argument. not while he continues to fight a load of superfeather lightweights moving up.

Its nonsense imo.

CheckHook wrote:I'd think Hatton would put himself right in the mix if he could pull off a win over Pacquaio, which is no small task. I think Pacquiao will be fighting somewhere close to where he would be most happy these days. I don't think he's going to see 130 again, so he's basically at least a lightweight these days, regardless of where he started. Its not like he's gone from fly to light welter in the space of two fights. I'm not saying Pacquaio might not be giving away a few pounds come fight night, but I don't think we're dealing with a David V Goliath fight either.

Pacman is a Superfeather really - lightwoght as best as you say.

Fight night Pacman will -I think- be about 143 (10st 3lbs) and Hatton 155 (11st 1lb)as is normal for him when he fights at light welter I think.

Either way he is not a light welter.

For pro fighters the weigh he is giving away is like a Feather fighting a lightweight - it makes a difference - ask Hatton - unless he wouweigh you by 10lbs he struggles. Hell - he outweoghed Collazo and Mayweather but only by 2lbs and 8lbs respectively and he was bullied and/or mashed down.

As a person I think Hatton is a good guy in many ways ( from what I have heard from people who know him) BUT - the fighter/media version I can not say he walks the walk as much as he talks it.

So - lets gets this straight - its nothing personal - its business..Got that HitmanHatton1?

For me, the P4P#1 should be able to hold their own with the elite in the divisions nearest to their own natural fighting weight. Hatton's division is 140, if he fought a prime Mosley, Margarito or Cotto, even the ruggish Mayorga etc i think he would get pulvarised.
He got absolutely trounced by Mayweather, it was not the beating of a lifetime or anything near to it, but Hatton fought 10 rounds and never landed 1 single punch worth noting. His only other venture was against Collazo and he was taking a pasting in the final round and won the thinnest of decisions.

I think Hatton should be in at about the #5 spot if he beats the Pacman, Calzaghe should be out of the running soon enough also so that would seem about right IMO.

I feel that Hatton will never be P4P no1. He's been exposed, and because of the scale of the fight and the fact that he was KO'd it's likely that his bluff has been called my many boxing fans/pundits. Fighters who remain undefeated for so long never get that much respect after they loose. It's usually due to a percieved unfounded arrogance. As we all know, in hindsight, every fighter can be discredited after they have lost. This is what will happen to all of Hatton's future opponents(with the exeption of PBF, potentially) should he defeat them.

If Hatton beats Pac it will be:

''Pac-Man is overrated. He's been KO'd at Flyweight FFS''

''He stuggled to beat a washed up Barrera''

''It's not his natural weight''

The only way Hatton can ever be P4P no1 is if he gets a rematch with PBF and wins. Thats not a bad shout either if Hatton beats Pac and if Floyd is ring rusty and complacent. They are big if's however.

ALI wrote:

For me, the P4P#1 should be able to hold their own with the elite in the divisions nearest to their own natural fighting weight. Hatton's division is 140, if he fought a prime Mosley, Margarito or Cotto, even the ruggish Mayorga etc i think he would get pulvarised.

He got absolutely trounced by Mayweather, it was not the beating of a lifetime or anything near to it, but Hatton fought 10 rounds and never landed 1 single punch worth noting. His only other venture was against Collazo and he was taking a pasting in the final round and won the thinnest of decisions.

Sums it up perfectly.

But what does it matter really.

In hindsight who will care. Unify the division at Light-Welter if your good enough, fight Witter, challenge Cotto at catchweight. The only thing that should matter is proving whos best at Lightwelter. It's a shame, but i don't think that will happen while theres so much money follow 1 fighter round. If Hatton wasn't so marketable we'd have to see the best fight each other in the division.

Mythical title's will meen nothing when people come to look at the carears of Hatton, Calzaghe, Pac, PBF, RJJ, Barrera, Hopkins. When compaired with any of these Hatton comes up a little short

DG. wrote:

Fight night Pacman will -I think- be about 143 (10st 3lbs) and Hatton 155 (11st 1lb)as is normal for him when he fights at light welter I think.

Either way he is not a light welter.

you are believing what you want to believe and trying to sell incorrect information

bear in mind pac came in to fight JMM at 145lbs

then came in to fight Diaz at 147

and he was just above that for oscar148 i think

are you saying the pacquiao camp will look to drop 5lbs or so to fight hatton?

hatton is coming in more like 151lbs nowadays, was 149 vs Castillo i think

they have been coming into the ring at similar sizes and will be within 3/4lbs of one another IMO they are not as far apart in weight as you seem to think. or maybe you just like having reasons to chuck criticisms at hatton whether you get the facts straight or not

Counter-puncher wrote:

DG. wrote:

Fight night Pacman will -I think- be about 143 (10st 3lbs) and Hatton 155 (11st 1lb)as is normal for him when he fights at light welter I think.

Either way he is not a light welter.

you are believing what you want to believe and trying to sell incorrect information

bear in mind pac came in to fight JMM at 145lbs

then came in to fight Diaz at 147

and he was just above that for oscar148 i think

are you saying the pacquiao camp will look to drop 5lbs or so to fight hatton?

hatton is coming in more like 151lbs nowadays, was 149 vs Castillo i think

they have been coming into the ring at similar sizes and will be within 3/4lbs of one another IMO they are not as far apart in weight as you seem to think. or maybe you just like having reasons to chuck criticisms at hatton whether you get the facts straight or not

Selling incorrect info?

Its my OPINION- rea the post again and look foe the words 'I think'.


Hatton and Pacman are not in any way shape or form naturally the same weight.

FACT.

Counter punch that!

ALI wrote:For me, the P4P#1 should be able to hold their own with the elite in the divisions nearest to their own natural fighting weight. Hatton's division is 140, if he fought a prime Mosley, Margarito or Cotto, even the ruggish Mayorga etc i think he would get pulvarised.
He got absolutely trounced by Mayweather, it was not the beating of a lifetime or anything near to it, but Hatton fought 10 rounds and never landed 1 single punch worth noting. His only other venture was against Collazo and he was taking a pasting in the final round and won the thinnest of decisions.

I think Hatton should be in at about the #5 spot if he beats the Pacman, Calzaghe should be out of the running soon enough also so that would seem about right IMO.

but where do u draw the line?

just cos hatton was well beaten by a guy widely regarded as the best of this generation he has no claims on the p4p top spot.

mayweather has retired now.

there is a different p4p no1.

the world of boxing has moved on.

diego corrales was more thoroughly beaten than hatton was.

he was a respected p4p entrant after that cos of other wins he had.

there is a way back and hatton will prove it.

People do seem to go over the top when it comes to Mannys weight.

Yeah he did fight at flyweight but he was a kid late-teens, early 20's and not forgetting he was a monster of a flyweight too and as he's got older and grown into a man I'd say he's comfortable at anywhere inbetween 135 - 150 on fight night, not far off what Hatton usually weighs on fight night, sure Hatton is slightly the bigger man but not by much.

Anyway I still expect Manny to bust him up, too fast and hits hard.

banjo wrote:
Anyway I still expect Manny to bust him up, too fast and hits hard.

I doubt it - but I would like to be wrong!

DG. wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

DG. wrote:

Fight night Pacman will -I think- be about 143 (10st 3lbs) and Hatton 155 (11st 1lb)as is normal for him when he fights at light welter I think.

Either way he is not a light welter.

you are believing what you want to believe and trying to sell incorrect information

bear in mind pac came in to fight JMM at 145lbs

then came in to fight Diaz at 147

and he was just above that for oscar148 i think

are you saying the pacquiao camp will look to drop 5lbs or so to fight hatton?

hatton is coming in more like 151lbs nowadays, was 149 vs Castillo i think

they have been coming into the ring at similar sizes and will be within 3/4lbs of one another IMO they are not as far apart in weight as you seem to think. or maybe you just like having reasons to chuck criticisms at hatton whether you get the facts straight or not

Selling incorrect info?

Its my OPINION- rea the post again and look foe the words 'I think'.


Hatton and Pacman are not in any way shape or form naturally the same weight.

FACT.

Counter punch that!

piece of pi55, you walk right into them mate, lets hope your chin is better than your defence

first, if they come into the ring about 4lbs different, saying they are 'in no way shape or form naturally the same weight' is nonsensical. THEY FIGHT WHEN WEIGHING NEARLY THE SAME WEIGHT, have done for about 18 months / 2 years. its just that pac has long been draining below his basic 'natural' weight.

but please, don't let the facts get in the way of your asinine fingerpointing and hating it would spoil your act which we all get a good laugh out of.

anyway it was my mistake saying you were trying to pass off 'information' i made the colossal error of thinking your posts contained anything beyond knee-jerk innacurate mudthrowing at hatton. but at least they are merely opinions rather than trying to posture as being authoritative, that was my mistake i apologise :) apart from that really decisive and convincing use of 'FACT' at the end there, nice touch, or indeed i should say touche there's simply no counter to a man who says 'FACT', argument over i'll go home now. i mean jeez i don't like the fella at all but you have some therapy-grade issues over him it seems.

out of interest when duran came up to fight leonard were you one of the lone voices in the background saying what a nasty bully leonard was as it was a 'FACT' that Duran wasn't in any way shape or form the same natural weight as him? just curious

Counter,

The word 'Naturally' means your natural weight and not your boiled down weight.

The fact they 'might' weigh 4lbs difference on the night ( and I do not believe that for 1 minute) is not the point, Pacman can get down to 135 - can Hatton? NO! Why? Because he is NATURALLY bigger.

Counter punched is OUT!

Maybe you should become an attacking fighter instead of a counter puncher?

yawns in apathy at DG's boringly predicatable conTinuation of hatton bashing.

Does anyone take his opinion seriously regardiing Hatton just curious?

Cue DG to explode into his usual J is a this that or other.....yawn.

TEDIOUS IN THE EXTREME.

In reposnse tot he thread off the back oa good performance and being dominant at 140 i'd put him top 3/4. Should he go on to fight one of Cotto / Mosely or maybe Marquez and be successful then I think he would have a pretty good claim for the 1 spot.

Big ifs though those...

hatton's natural fighting weight is what he goes in the ring at he puts shedloads of flab on between fights but 149-51 is his fit proper weight

he has been at that weight so long it surely must be his 'natural' weight

btw looking at early career photos of richard i would say at 22-24 he possibly could have got down to 135, but not any more no, i agree

IMO pac is only now coming to his 'natural' weight around 140lbs having drained badly beforehand. and he doesn't want to drain much lower in future now he has settled at weights he doesn't have to drain for

nah forget it what am i on about he's a blownup flyweight my apologies once again

J- still beating around the bush with your posting style i see (you know me from elsewhere mate we had some good banter over the years )

Take no prisoners mate you know me..how are ya? Life good for you I hope.

Life changed lots for me, married moved countries baby gal!

Is the other place still going?

Bumped into Mofo on another forum. (very quiet one but one i joined years ago and have stayed loyal) anyway he posts over there now.

aye still going mate, pretty quiet mostly. glad to hear life's good for you in the sun brutha all the best

J wrote:yawns in apathy at DG's boringly predicatable conTinuation of hatton bashing.

Does anyone take his opinion seriously regardiing Hatton just curious?

Cue DG to explode into his usual J is a this that or other.....yawn.

TEDIOUS IN THE EXTREME.

In reposnse tot he thread off the back oa good performance and being dominant at 140 i'd put him top 3/4. Should he go on to fight one of Cotto / Mosely or maybe Marquez and be successful then I think he would have a pretty good claim for the 1 spot.

Big ifs though those...

Hi J(ack) Ass!

Ya bitch!

Counter-puncher wrote:hatton's natural fighting weight is what he goes in the ring at he puts shedloads of flab on between fights but 149-51 is his fit proper weight

he has been at that weight so long it surely must be his 'natural' weight

btw looking at early career photos of richard i would say at 22-24 he possibly could have got down to 135, but not any more no, i agree

IMO pac is only now coming to his 'natural' weight around 140lbs having drained badly beforehand. and he doesn't want to drain much lower in future now he has settled at weights he doesn't have to drain for

nah forget it what am i on about he's a blownup flyweight my apologies once again

J- still beating around the bush with your posting style i see (you know me from elsewhere mate we had some good banter over the years )

I just think Hatton is naturally bigger, no way woll he see 135 but Pacman still can ( even at a push)..

We will see on fight night!

Counter-puncher wrote:

DG. wrote:

Fight night Pacman will -I think- be about 143 (10st 3lbs) and Hatton 155 (11st 1lb)as is normal for him when he fights at light welter I think.

Either way he is not a light welter.

you are believing what you want to believe and trying to sell incorrect information

bear in mind pac came in to fight JMM at 145lbs

then came in to fight Diaz at 147

and he was just above that for oscar148 i think

are you saying the pacquiao camp will look to drop 5lbs or so to fight hatton?

hatton is coming in more like 151lbs nowadays, was 149 vs Castillo i think

they have been coming into the ring at similar sizes and will be within 3/4lbs of one another IMO they are not as far apart in weight as you seem to think. or maybe you just like having reasons to chuck criticisms at hatton whether you get the facts straight or not

155 against Tyszu, 160 against Collazo if you want to play that game

I personally say this is a very achademic discusion

academic.

sorry dont normally correct spellings just ironic to get academic wrong...apologies for the pomposity.

DG. wrote:

Cannibal wrote:Following up a Pac win with a win over Mosley or JMM would secure it.

JMM is a Superfeather who has just moved up to lightweight.


If Hatton beats Pacman (he will because Pacman is not even a lightweight) then he beats Mosley and Cotto then he has an argument. not while he continues to fight a load of superfeather lightweights moving up.

Its nonsense imo.

Why would he bother with Cotto if he beats Mosley? Cotto got broken by Margarito who then got schooled by Mosley.

cos cotto beat mosely perhaps?

J wrote:cos cotto beat mosely perhaps?

Well done!

And after Antonio 'Hands of Plaster of Paris' Margarito beat Cotto by maybe using concrete it may mean that Cotto was robbed against AMHOPM!