Greatest Undefeated Fighter Of All-Time?

[bjermaine]

at least i'm not racist.

[Goodnight, Irene]

at least i'm not racist.

No, just mired in ignorance of the sport. Never mind, so long as yo' can represent, yo!

Yo, check this out, aight, give it up for my man, Roy! Break it down, Roy!

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

- Say what you will about Too Tall Jones, but as an older novice the guy was no joke. He stepped into pro boxing and got out with a perfect record.

His best win against Fernando Montes who notched a win over title contender Manuel Ramos, lost on a 4th rd cut to Eddie the Animal Lopez, and went 3 rds against Duane Bobick prior.

TT whacked him out in a single round, something undefeated Fulilangi, Mercado, and Alex Stewart couldn't accomplish afterwards, and Mercado got two consecutive cracks at Montes.

I know someone taped at least a few if not all his bouts, but I've never seen them.

[raylawpc]

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

- Say what you will about Too Tall Jones, but as an older novice the guy was no joke. He stepped into pro boxing and got out with a perfect record.

His best win against Fernando Montes who notched a win over title contender Manuel Ramos, lost on a 4th rd cut to Eddie the Animal Lopez, and went 3 rds against Duane Bobick prior.

TT whacked him out in a single round, something undefeated Fulilangi, Mercado, and Alex Stewart couldn't accomplish afterwards, and Mercado got two consecutive cracks at Montes.

I know someone taped at least a few if not all his bouts, but I've never seen them.

Let's come down to earth a bit. Montes won against Manuel Ramos on a DQ. Montes was the only Jones opponent with more wins than loses on his record. Jones' career lasted all of three months.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Let's come down to earth a bit. Montes won against Manuel Ramos on a DQ. Montes was the only Jones opponent with more wins than loses on his record. Jones' career lasted all of three months.

- Too Tall shares space with era contenders and big names on Montes' record no matter how much you wish to disparage Jones.

Now that Too Tall fought at a twice a month pace is also targeted as a negative. No wonder he got out of boxing. He could be earning a multi million dollar contract instead of the chicken bones they threw him in boxing to listen to the "you suck" crowd screaming at him.

[raylawpc]

Let's come down to earth a bit. Montes won against Manuel Ramos on a DQ. Montes was the only Jones opponent with more wins than loses on his record. Jones' career lasted all of three months.

- Too Tall shares space with era contenders and big names on Montes' record no matter how much you wish to disparage Jones.

Now that Too Tall fought at a twice a month pace is also targeted as a negative. No wonder he got out of boxing. He could be earning a multi million dollar contract instead of the chicken bones they threw him in boxing to listen to the "you suck" crowd screaming at him.

I'm not disparaging Jones. Had he stuck with it, he might have developed into a good or even great fighter. He certainly has the athleticism for it.

But I think it is insulting to the good and great fighters mentioned in this thread to put Jones into this group.

[Collins2000]

Let's come down to earth a bit. Montes won against Manuel Ramos on a DQ. Montes was the only Jones opponent with more wins than loses on his record. Jones' career lasted all of three months.

- Too Tall shares space with era contenders and big names on Montes' record no matter how much you wish to disparage Jones.

Now that Too Tall fought at a twice a month pace is also targeted as a negative. No wonder he got out of boxing. He could be earning a multi million dollar contract instead of the chicken bones they threw him in boxing to listen to the "you suck" crowd screaming at him.

I'm not disparaging Jones. Had he stuck with it, he might have developed into a good or even great fighter. He certainly has the athleticism for it.

But I think it is insulting to the good and great fighters mentioned in this thread to put Jones into this group.

I thought BRR's sole purpose for being here was to insult and disparage the accomplishments of great fighters who for any reason he dislikes.

That's why I can't stomach the fellow.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

That's why I can't stomach the fellow.

- If you didn't follow me around like a insurance salesman in heat, confusing me with some previous poster you were betrothed to, your weak disposition would no doubt improve...

[Collins2000]

That's why I can't stomach the fellow.

- If you didn't follow me around like a insurance salesman in heat, confusing me with some previous poster you were betrothed to, your weak disposition would no doubt improve...

Just because I don't like you doesn't mean you don't amuse me.

Like I said the other day, the stuff you've posted in "The Battle of the Jacks" thread is absolutely hilarious.

Your explanation as to why the other fellow could find nothing about the 'fight' in the newpaper is a good example of what I mean. "Perhaps they stopped the presses and there are multiple different versions of that day's paper. That would explain why it isn't in the one you are looking at!" Pure gold, mate.

Keep up the good work.

[harrygreb]

just as a side issue, papp would have had breland for dinner. am or pro.

[Expug]

Let's come down to earth a bit. Montes won against Manuel Ramos on a DQ. Montes was the only Jones opponent with more wins than loses on his record. Jones' career lasted all of three months.

- Too Tall shares space with era contenders and big names on Montes' record no matter how much you wish to disparage Jones.

Now that Too Tall fought at a twice a month pace is also targeted as a negative. No wonder he got out of boxing. He could be earning a multi million dollar contract instead of the chicken bones they threw him in boxing to listen to the "you suck" crowd screaming at him.

Jones fought Montes , who has some good fighters on his resume.
Remember though, boxing is a small community. You are gonna fight guys who at some point have been in with big names.
Heck, I fought a guy who fought Gerald McClellan. Another who fought Matthew hilton.
I was just a prelim guy.
Jones might have done something if he started earlier, he was a tremendous athlete. But, I thought he looked pretty awkward in his debut against Yaqui Meneses. that fight was real strange.

My pick here would be Jimmy Barry.He had the most fights and wins.I guess its a longevity thing as much as anything .
He had the most fights without an off night.

[raylawpc]

Let's come down to earth a bit. Montes won against Manuel Ramos on a DQ. Montes was the only Jones opponent with more wins than loses on his record. Jones' career lasted all of three months.

- Too Tall shares space with era contenders and big names on Montes' record no matter how much you wish to disparage Jones.

Now that Too Tall fought at a twice a month pace is also targeted as a negative. No wonder he got out of boxing. He could be earning a multi million dollar contract instead of the chicken bones they threw him in boxing to listen to the "you suck" crowd screaming at him.

Jones fought Montes , who has some good fighters on his resume.
Remember though, boxing is a small community. You are gonna fight guys who at some point have been in with big names.
Heck, I fought a guy who fought Gerald McClellan. Another who fought Matthew hilton.
I was just a prelim guy.
Jones might have done something if he started earlier, he was a tremendous athlete. But, I thought he looked pretty awkward in his debut against Yaqui Meneses. that fight was real strange.

My pick here would be Jimmy Barry.He had the most fights and wins.I guess its a longevity thing as much as anything .
He had the most fights without an off night.

Of the fighters listed here, my two favorites are Barry and Marciano - although I've always been intrigued by McAuliffe and his career.

[Ambling Alp]

None of these guys have a lot of big wins. All had draws and/or fights where they were lucky to get the decision. I guess I will go with Mayweather. He had few close calls and at least fought a few decent opponents. Marciano probably deserves to be #2.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

None of these guys have a lot of big wins. All had draws and/or fights where they were lucky to get the decision. I guess I will go with Mayweather. He had few close calls and at least fought a few decent opponents. Marciano probably deserves to be #2.

- Here's the guy who first whipped Mr. Money before Castillo ever tore him a new one. Seldom gets any love, but it is what it is:

41-0-1 (16) and 8-0-1 (1) in LW world title fights, otherwise known as The Great Illustrated Spadafora.

[Jaywheel]

Ji Won Kim
Terry Marsh
and of course... THE PRESIDENT

[Goodnight, Irene]

Ji Won Kim
Terry Marsh
and of course... THE PRESIDENT

I wondered how long before someone inevitably mentioned Ibeabuchi. This guy has to be the most over-rated myth in contemporary Boxing history

[BoxBuzz]

Ji Won Kim
Terry Marsh
and of course... THE PRESIDENT

I wondered how long before someone inevitably mentioned Ibeabuchi. This guy has to be the most over-rated myth in contemporary Boxing history

A man who won't be beat....can't be beat. Incarceration? Different story.

[I Feel Fine]

I am a Mayweather fan, but I would not rate him ahead of Marciano and probably not very close to him either. I would probably go with Rocky, he is one of the most underrated and overrated fighters in boxing history, depending on who you are talking to. But he is the best of this list, I think.

[Hounddawg]

Marciano, all though some thought Joe Louis was over the hill when this fight took place, but a win over the brown bomber is a massive accomplishment and by KO i might add.

[I Feel Fine]

I don't agree. It's not a massive accomplishment by any stretch. What prominent Heavyweight doesn't beat Louis that night? It was a win over an old fighter who was still a top contender, Ezzard Charles had shown a year earlier that Louis the champion was gone. Marciano's accumulation of wins over the best fighters around at the time is more impressive than any one win.

[allworld80]

Marciano, all though some thought Joe Louis was over the hill when this fight took place, but a win over the brown bomber is a massive accomplishment and by KO i might add.

There's no thought about it. Louis was well past it. I think we can safely assume the result would have been much different 10-12 years earlier.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

There's no thought about it. Louis was well past it. I think we can safely assume the result would have been much different 10-12 years earlier.

- Some of you gents appear to have lost the plot. Joe was a ranked fighter in the middle of a busy comeback streak.

If Rocky was ranked, I doubt he was ranked over Joe who as I recall was the fav. Joe's recent competition was more impressive than Rock's who was working his way out of the prospect cocoon. Joe Louis was still capable of beating specific versions of many champs.

As I mentioned at the start of the thread, Rocky's record is the most storied, but I'm mightily impressed with Jimmy Barry.

[I Feel Fine]

That simply does not matter. There is a difference between saying that Marciano beat someone who was still a top rated fighter and saying that the win is a massive accomplishment. Its a good win over a top contender, not a great win over a great champion, and it says nothing of how Louis might have done in his prime.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Marciano, all though some thought Joe Louis was over the hill when this fight took place, but a win over the brown bomber is a massive accomplishment and by KO i might add.

There's no thought about it. Louis was well past it. I think we can safely assume the result would have been much different 10-12 years earlier.

Indeed. In 1941, an eighteen-year-old Marciano six years short of his pro debut would've been no match for a Louis at the peak of his powers

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

There is a difference between saying that Marciano beat someone who was still a top rated fighter and saying that the win is a massive accomplishment. Its a good win over a top contender, not a great win over a great champion, and it says nothing of how Louis might have done in his prime.

- Therein is your problem, the legacy of Rocky infringing on the legacy of Joe.

Most cannot see the larger picture, that Joe well past prime but still highly ranked, took on one of the finest champs to be in history and put him through his paces. Joe made himself tough and went out on his shield in a passing of the guard.

Now compare the gravely shot, sickened and weezened Ali that Mr. Larry was so embarrassed to be fighting that he was pulling his punches and begging the ref to stop the fight. Give Mr. Larry all humanitarian credit for his actions, however the hysterical historical boxing wisenheims have used that victory to tout Mr. Larry's lineal heritage as though he had previously been the uncrowned King of England when all he was, was the greatest ununified champ of all time!

Considering that Rocky was nobody anyone but his mother and a few regional boxing fans knew and became the 3rd and last fighter to ever beat Joe Louis, it was a tremendous accomplishment.