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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 04:23
by dagosd2000
I remember watching boxing from thr Olympic Auditorium. Aileen Eaton always took a moment or two to talk a little promoting. Whenever she talked about Mando,she´d refer to him as ¨my baby ¨. Mando sure had the eye for the ladies. Aileen Eaton was old enough to be his grandmother and she was a tough ól gal. And tough as nails when it came to business. Leave it to Mando to have a way to melt her heart.

I used to think about a knock at the door,opening it¨, and seeing Mando.
¨Excuse me,I´m here to take out your daughter.¨
I´m glad I stayed in San Diego.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:15
by Boxingnut
This is very sad news about Mando. I am truly shocked. He was a relatively young man, what a crying shame. RIP to a great warrior.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:17
by kikibalt
Mando Ramos, 59; promising boxer's career cut short by alcohol and drug abuse
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Los Angeles Times
Mando Ramos prepares to fight Eliseo Estrada at the Olympic Auditorium in 1967.

He was clean and sober the last 25 years and started Boxing Against Alcohol and Drugs to counsel youths to avoid the troubles he had.
By Steve Springer, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 7, 2008

Mando Ramos, who enjoyed a meteoric career in the boxing ring, winning the lightweight title at 20, then spent his later years helping kids avoid the twin demons of drugs and alcohol that had cut short his career, died Sunday. He was 59.

Ramos, who was inducted into the California Boxing Hall of Fame two weeks ago, died at his San Pedro home of natural causes, according to his wife, Sylvia. Ramos suffered from a chronic back injury and diabetes.

L.A. fighter's life"He loved to watch the fights on television," Sylvia Ramos said, "but I couldn't get him to get up and watch them [Saturday night]. He told me he wanted to sleep, so I taped the fights."

On Sunday morning, Ramos, his eyes still closed, began to experience labored breathing. The paramedics were called, but Ramos never regained consciousness.

At his peak, Ramos was the Oscar De La Hoya of his day, a talented, handsome L.A. fighter who attracted fans of both sexes. But unlike De La Hoya, Ramos' flame flickered out quickly, extinguished by his addictions. He turned pro in 1965, three days after his 17th birthday, but was finished a decade later. Ramos wound up with a record of 37-11 with one draw and 23 knockouts. Six of his losses were also ended by knockout.

"Who knows how good I could have been?" he once told The Times. "I never really trained, not for a single fight. Oh, I went to the gym every day. But I drank every night. Fighters never beat me. But drugs and alcohol [did].

"I really think I could have been the greatest fighter of all time -- except for this." With his index finger, Ramos tapped his temple.

"He once went 15 rounds in a fight after training for just one weekend," said former champion Carlos Palomino, Ramos' presenter at last month's Hall of Fame induction.

"He was so talented, he could get away with that. It just came natural for him. He was the complete fighter. He could box, he could brawl, he could do it all. He was tall for a lightweight," officially listed at 5 feet 9, though some said he was taller. "He used his length, reach and strength very effectively, had a great chin and a great left hand."

Born Armando Ramos on Nov. 15, 1948, in Long Beach, he got an early start in the ring.

"I started to box as soon as I could walk," he said. Ramos' teacher was his father, Ray, a former fighter.

Ramos was the quintessential Los Angeles fighter. Twenty-seven of his 49 matches were in the Olympic Auditorium, the landmark venue for boxing in his day. He also fought at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum and Memorial Sports Arena.

"At one point," former Times columnist John Hall said, "I thought Ramos was so quick and so sharp, he could have beaten any lightweight who ever lived."

Ramos beat Carlos Teo Cruz on an 11th-round TKO to win the lightweight title in 1969, lost it to Ismael Laguna, then won the championship a second time by beating Pedro Carrasco. Among Ramos' other memorable opponents were "Sugar" Ramos, Raul Rojas, Ruben Navarro and Chango Carmona.

"I sold out the Olympic Auditorium in my ninth fight," Ramos said. "Money was everywhere . . . I was 19, 20. What did I know?

"By 1974, I was sleeping in cars."

Having lost two brothers to heroin overdoses, Ramos checked himself in to a rehabilitation clinic in the early '80s, became sober and remained so for the last quarter-century of his life.

When he got out of rehab, he started the Boxing Against Alcohol and Drugs program to work with kids.

"He was a man of many great qualities," said his son, Mando Jr. "He had the rough and tough outer exterior of a fighter. But inside, he had a pure heart and a gentle soul. He was a great champion in the ring, but he was an even greater champion in life. He helped a lot of inner-city kids."

Ramos recruited fighters and staged exhibitions along with anti-addiction lectures at high schools around Southern California.

"Once he cleaned up," Hall said, "he made a great comeback, as a human being."

"He really found his niche in life," his son said.

Ramos is survived by his wife and his son; four grandchildren; a brother, Andrew; and a niece.

A participant in the UCLA willed body program, Ramos had stipulated that his vital organs be donated.

A memorial service is being planned for this week.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:22
by kikibalt
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Mando Ramos was a boxing sensation in the late 1960s and the early '70s, quickly becoming the world lightweight champion. Ramos also had a history of alcohol and drug abuse, which cut short his career.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:23
by kikibalt
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A badly beaten and dazed Mando Ramos tries to rise after being knocked down by Chango Carmona in 1972 at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum. Ramos lost the bout by technical knockout.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:26
by kikibalt
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Mando Ramos with his wife, Sylvia, in front of their Long Beach, Calif., home.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:30
by kikibalt
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Mando Ramos wears a necklace for his organization Boxing Against Alcohol and Drugs, which works with troubled youths. Ramos recruited fighters and staged exhibitions along with anti-addiction lectures at high schools around Southern California. “Once he cleaned up,” former Times columnist John Hall said, “he made a great comeback, as a human being.”

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:34
by kikibalt
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Mando Ramos, a former world lightweight boxing champion, saw his career end quickly because of addictions. He went through rehab in the early 1980s. “He was a man of many great qualities,” said his son, Mando Jr. “He had the rough and tough outer exterior of a fighter. But inside, he had a pure heart and a gentle soul. He was a great champion in the ring, but he was an even greater champion in life. He helped a lot of inner-city kids.”

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 07:59
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Image
Mando Ramos with his wife, Sylvia, in front of their Long Beach, Calif., home.
What a beautiful pic. Mando died in his sleep, at home, his wife close at hand.

He is truly resting in peace.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 08:39
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Mando Ramos with his wife, Sylvia, in front of their Long Beach, Calif., home.
What a beautiful pic. Mando died in his sleep, at home, his wife close at hand.

He is truly resting in peace.
Bennie,

Mando looks happy in that pic., doesn't he?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 08:44
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Mando Ramos with his wife, Sylvia, in front of their Long Beach, Calif., home.
What a beautiful pic. Mando died in his sleep, at home, his wife close at hand.

He is truly resting in peace.
Bennie,

Mando looks happy in that pic., doesn't he?
He does, Frankie.
Gone, just two weeks after you honoured him at the CBHOF.
Unbelievable.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 09:44
by Rick Farris
A Mando Ramos memory . . .

A few years ago Mando told me this story . . .

When Mando Ramos was fifteen years old, he and his future manager, Jackie McCoy, attended a fight at the Olympic Auditorium. While strolling up Grand Ave. to the entrance of the Olympic, Mando saw a punchy ex-boxer selling programs in front of the 18th & Grand arena. Mando told me the old man was wearing dirty, tattered clothes and in addition to the trademark broken nose and scar tissue, was missing one of his eyes.

"You shoulda seen this guy. He had an eye missing and instead of wearing a patch or having it stitched closed, he just had an empty socket, you could look right into his head", Mando said. "I thought that was kinda cool, and as I passed by him, he reached under a stack of programs and pulled out a bottle of whiskey, took a swig, slipped the bottle back under the stack of papers and would shout, "Get your programs, get tonight's program here!"

McCoy told his future champion that the down-on-his-luck former pug happened to be former Filippino great Speedy Dado. Mando was amazed and struck up a conversation with the Filippino legend. The ex-pug told the impressionable future champ that he had earned over a million dollars in his careeer, had worn the finest clothes, driven the most expensive cars and had screwed some of the most beautiful women in the world.

McCoy could see that his young boxer was impressed and finally grabbed his wide-eyed future superstar by the arm and said, "We gotta go Mando." As the two entered the Olympic, Ramos told his future manager, "I want to be just like him, I want what he had!" McCoy just shook his head and asked, "But what does he have today Mando?" Young Mando didn't understand what Jackie was trying to tell him.

Mando Ramos finished his story with a smile and said, "Today I understand."


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 09:58
by bennie
Classic story, Rick. Mando must have driven Jackie McCoy utterly and completely up the wall. Jesus, he could make Art Aragon look like a choirboy!
Mando probably enjoyed every second of it.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 10:35
by sockdolager
Although I am saddened by the news of mr. Ramos' death, the stories that have been shared in this thread were very inspiring. I didn't know much about mr. Ramos, I recognized his name and knew he was a former LW champ but that was about it. I am pleased to have learned about him, his family and his work with B.A.A.D. in the stories and articles shared.

RIP champ.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 11:13
by raylawpc
What terrible news to wake up to on a Monday morning! I am tremendously saddened by the news of Mando's passing. In 1975, I got to meet Mando when he came to Oklahoma City to fight Al Franklin in one of Mando's last comeback fights. I noted above that his son said Mando "he had a pure heart and a gentle soul." That was my impression of him when I met him briefly in Oklahoma City. Just a genuinely nice guy.

I know that my California friends Rick, Frank and the champ - El Gato - knew, loved, and respected Mando. My heartfelt condolences go out to the three of you in the loss of your friend.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 12:27
by Rick Farris
More on Mando . . .

As Mando Ramos was coming up in Los Angeles, another guy was also exciting fans, featherweight "Irish" Frankie Crawford. In the beginning, the two were rivals and L.A. begged to see a match between the two. Mando was the class of the new breed of L.A. prizefighters while Crawford was anything but class, a throwback fistfighter who'd use every dirty trick in the book to upset an opponent.

Eventually promoter Aileen Eaton matched the two at the Olympic Auditorium. Ramos was coming off a narrow decison loss, his first, to Korea's Suh Kang Il, and a win over Crawford was needed to put his winning streak back on course. Outweighed by seven pounds, Frankie Crawford upset the future champion by gaining a close decision win. In a rematch, Ramos reversed the loss in convincing fashion and continued on toward becoming the youngest lightweight champ in history. With the rivalry settled, Ramos and Crawford became stablemates and friends. After winning and losing the lightweight title, 22-year-old Mando was matched against his former stablemate, ex-WBA featherweight king Raul Rojas in a major grudge match that was proceeded by a lot of trash talk by Rojas.

The fight was held on December 10, 1970 at the Olympic Auditorium and Frankie Crawford was also featured on the card as well as Armando Muniz and myself (I opened the show in a four rounder). By this time Mando and Crawford were running buddies and spent a lot of time together "having fun". Crawford was known to drink his share of alcohol but wasn't into drugs.

One afternoon a few years back I was visiting Mando and Sylvia at their San Pedro condo and the two of us talked about that night. Mando told me that the night before the match he was sitting alone in his apartment in Belmont Shores and smoking a joint. He heard a knock at the door and it was Crawford who'd stopped by to visit. The former featherweight contender smelled the marijuana smoke and was surprised. "What in the hell are you doing that for, you gotta fight tomorrow?" Mando just laughed and told Crawford the pot relaxed him. Crawford told Mando he was crazy and left.

The next night I went on first and won a decision in the opener. Ater Armando Muniz flattened his opponent, Frankie Crawford defeating Jose Luis Martinez and then Ramos and Rojas took the ring. Mando settled all the bad blood when caught Rojas with a vicious left hook in the 6th round, knocking Raul out cold. Mando's victory was very impressive and after the bout Crawford visited him in the dressing room.

Ramos' KO had impressed Crawford so much he waited for all the reporters to leave the room before pulling Mando aside and asking, "Hey man, where can I get some of that marijuana?"

Classic Ramos & Crawford! More to come on Mando Ramos . . .


-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 12:33
by bennie
Belly laugh. :lol:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 12:47
by Rick Farris
bennie wrote:Classic story, Rick. Mando must have driven Jackie McCoy utterly and completely up the wall. Jesus, he could make Art Aragon look like a choirboy!
Mando probably enjoyed every second of it.
Yes he did, Bennie. When looking back on his questionable training habits Mando has his regrets, but he tells his story with a smile. He had a great time during his short ride into the history books. The truth is we never saw this great fighter reach his potential. Mando was done before he could reach his prime. He told me the night before he fought Ismael laguna, he snorted enough cocaine to kill a horse. The same was true before his 1970 "Fight of the year" with Sugar Ramos.

If he did this while using drugs, can you imagine how great he'd have been clean & fit?

If there is a heaven for boxers, I can only imagine what Mando and Crawford are doing at this moment? Mando, Frankie, Jackie McCoy, Jake Shagrue (Crawford's first trainer). Now that the Olympic Auditorium is also dead, I can see Aileen Eaton promoting one helluva fight in the spiritual world, and Mickey Davies making the match with Jimmy Lennon Sr. as ring announcer.

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 12:53
by bennie
Rick Farris wrote:
bennie wrote:Classic story, Rick. Mando must have driven Jackie McCoy utterly and completely up the wall. Jesus, he could make Art Aragon look like a choirboy!
Mando probably enjoyed every second of it.
Yes he did, Bennie. When looking back on his questionable training habits Mando has his regrets, but he tells his story with a smile. He had a great time during his short ride into the history books. The truth is we never saw this great fighter reachhis potential. MAndo was done nefore he could reach his prme. He told me the night before he fought Ismael laguna, he snorted enough cocaine to kill a horse. The same was true before his 1970 "Fight of the year" with Sugar Ramos.

If he did this while using drugs, can you imagine how great he'd have been clean & fit?

If there is a heaven for boxers, I can only imagine what Mando and Crawford are doing at this moment? Mando, Frankie, Jackie McCoy, Jake Shagrue (Crawford's first trainer). Now that the Olympic Auditorium is also dead, I can see Aileen Eaton promoting one helluva fight in the spiritual world, and Mickey Davies making the match withJimmy Lennon Sr. as ring announcer.

-Rick Farris
Rick, this is an unfair question but it is a question I've always wanted to ask someone 'in the know': how do you think Buchanan-Ramos would have panned out in early '71 for the title?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 15:34
by kikibalt
I first met Mando Ramos in 1964, the year my boys started boxing, it was during the Jr. Golden Gloves tournment, Jackie McCoy came up to me and said "wait till you see my new fighter" Jackie must have really been high on Mando to say that, since Jackie was not the type to hype his fighters up.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 15:40
by kikibalt
"Hey vatos; Do you know who the best fighter in the world is pound for pound? Hands down, vatos, hands down! Los jabs, los hooks, los uppercuts...Mando Ramos!"-Edward James Olmos' 1992 film, "American Me".

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 17:22
by kikibalt
Mando Ramos was one of a few L.A. boxers to capture the hearts of the Mexican-America, (Pocho's to you) boxing fans, in my life time I remember few that did that, Enrique Bolanos, Art Aragon, Keeny Teran, Danny Lopez and Bobby Chacon.
I might have miss some.

Oscar De La Hoya never was able to do that.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 18:29
by Chuck1052
It seems like yesterday when I followed Mando Ramos' career. I hope that his family, friends and fans accept my condolences in regards to his premature death.

- Chuck Johnston

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 20:18
by Robert in NYC
Mando and I spoke about 4 or 5 times per week for several years and I am glad to have had the chance to become friends with him. Before I ever spoke with him, I admired his ability more than I can say.He told me so many stories about different fighters he knew, among them were: Jimmy McClarnin, LC Morgan, Jose Urtain, Paul Armstead,Jerry Quarry, Don Jordan, Gregorio and Ramon Peralta, Robinson Garcia, Dum Dum Pachecho and many, many others. It seemed like Mando knew every fighter I was ever interested in!

I will always remember Mando with great fondness, as a fighter and a friend and I am thankful to Rick Farris who indirectly put Mando and me in contact.

I extend my deepest sympathy to his wife Sylvia and the rest of Mando's family.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 23:00
by Expug
My sympathies to all his friends who post here also.
I located that interview with McCoy . Alot about Mando. Of course I never had the pleasure to meet him as some of you have, but the stories about him are really great..
Rick I believe you mentioned that Mando eventually became a longshoreman.
McCoy said in the interview that Don Jordan who Jackie worked with, wound up working on the docks after his career also.
When Jackie introduced Mando to Jordan , he said "you two have alot in common,you both should be rich , but your here working on the docks".Then he said I should be rich too ,but we are all working here on the docks".
Its great that Mando kicked the junk, and its also a great thing that he was put in the CBHOF .
What a great honor.
I'm sure he wont be forgotten.