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Wee Tommy wrote: 09 Feb 2020, 18:07
Impractical Poster wrote: 09 Feb 2020, 17:56

The only possible way I can see giving Jones 4 rounds is if the judges were scoring pressure.
Jones was waking forward and scoring some low kicks while taking punches. He’s tough Jones very tough he just seems to to have slowed down significantly.
He seems to have lost some of his agility and also killer instinct. I'd bet hes got a few more really big performances in him. Maybe he's a little bored of the challengers. I think he will probably move up to heavyweight now.
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Ever since they caught him with steroids Bones hasn't looked so good. What a coincidence eh?

I knew if it went to decision Jon wouldn't lose. He's like Mayweather in getting decisions.
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Shhhh wrote: 11 Feb 2020, 21:22 Is this for real? Conor divorce in 3,2 1
If Conor's old lady hasn't left him yet, she isn't going to.
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Shhhh wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 20:28
Impractical Poster wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 18:50

If Conor's old lady hasn't left him yet, she isn't going to.
Birds who have a rich man can deal with been cheated on if they can turn a blind eye and the man does it on the quiet. But it's different when their face is rubbed in it. She'll leave and take half the cash
She didn't the first time.
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Shhhh wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 06:34
Impractical Poster wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 23:40
She didn't the first time.
Tru but that often happens and tagtsvthe last warning. Anyway turns out it wasn't his kid I think. Not sure. But this skank is just humiliating
That was his last warning, eh? I guess that does it then. She will leave one of the richest sports figures because an internet character deems that Conor had received his last warning already.
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Shhhh wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 18:16
Impractical Poster wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 11:55
That was his last warning, eh? I guess that does it then. She will leave one of the richest sports figures because an internet character deems that Conor had received his last warning already.
Lol 😂 who took the jam out of your donut? 😂😆😆
My wife. :verysad:
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Been a good card so far....... Miller/Holtzman and Dodson/Wood didnt disappoint.....

Daniel Rodriguez though....... wooow :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Diego is by far the most unique character in the UFC.
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Impractical Poster wrote: 15 Feb 2020, 23:31 Diego is by far the most unique character in the UFC.
What about that guy the wore the nappy last year? :lol:
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Little surprised Diego went out on that note...... i can understand why, but seems a little out of character..... always went out on his sword....
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Tinnie wrote: 15 Feb 2020, 23:46 Little surprised Diego went out on that note...... i can understand why, but seems a little out of character..... always went out on his sword....
Was on verge of getting stopped and took a way out. Pretty embarrassing to claim he can't see from a cut that was on his forehead.

Nice win for Blacho, dangerous counter puncher.
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Diego was dominated in every second of that fight. Wouldn't be suprised if he regrets taking the the DQ in retrospect. He very much could have continued.

The earlier DQ was quite bad. They kept mentioning that the new rules were not in effect. Will kneeing a downed opponent be a legal strike in the future?
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Tinnie wrote: 16 Feb 2020, 21:26 Diego was dominated in every second of that fight. Wouldn't be suprised if he regrets taking the the DQ in retrospect. He very much could have continued.

The earlier DQ was quite bad. They kept mentioning that the new rules were not in effect. Will kneeing a downed opponent be a legal strike in the future?
I was wondering the same thing.

The knee the guy took prior to the Diego fight was brutal. I was actually pissed at that dude for throwing pt.
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Shhhh wrote: 13 Feb 2020, 06:34
Impractical Poster wrote: 12 Feb 2020, 23:40
She didn't the first time.
Tru but that often happens and tagtsvthe last warning. Anyway turns out it wasn't his kid I think. Not sure. But this skank is just humiliating
Playing devil's advocate, he could've just crashed round a mates house after a night on the piss and the girl entered his room. It's not really conclusive evidence he's banged anyone. And it's not unrealistic to imagine a girl as vile as that doing it for social media hits. Imagine if a man behaved in that manner in front of his previous night's conquest as she was still sleeping......he'd be deemed a monster.
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Tinnie wrote: 16 Feb 2020, 21:26 Diego was dominated in every second of that fight. Wouldn't be suprised if he regrets taking the the DQ in retrospect. He very much could have continued.

The earlier DQ was quite bad. They kept mentioning that the new rules were not in effect. Will kneeing a downed opponent be a legal strike in the future?
Vargas landed a brutal knee on Brok Weaver earlier in the card which was close to being a KO blow. The referee rightly jumped into action, he grabbed Vargas and issued an instant DQ (no 5 mins).

The Sanchez fight highlights a gray-area... if a foul occurs the referee should decide pretty quickly... is it DQ worthy, or do i give 5 mins, perhaps a point off. You can't offer a guy 5 minutes to contemplate if he wants to accept a DQ win or not.

Amir Khan tried this shitt vs Terence Crawford.
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Shhhh wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 18:36
Steveh583 wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 05:23

Playing devil's advocate, he could've just crashed round a mates house after a night on the piss and the girl entered his room. It's not really conclusive evidence he's banged anyone. And it's not unrealistic to imagine a girl as vile as that doing it for social media hits. Imagine if a man behaved in that manner in front of his previous night's conquest as she was still sleeping......he'd be deemed a monster.
Ummmm I don’t know 🤔 possible. But his was aggressively taken down an peeps do stupid ass stuff. EDIT - someone just commented that she killed herself 😮😮😮😮😮
There are rumours she's the cleaner at his local pub, and he crashes there after a night out. Pure rumour on forums tho.
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Impractical Poster wrote: 16 Feb 2020, 22:22
Tinnie wrote: 16 Feb 2020, 21:26 Diego was dominated in every second of that fight. Wouldn't be suprised if he regrets taking the the DQ in retrospect. He very much could have continued.

The earlier DQ was quite bad. They kept mentioning that the new rules were not in effect. Will kneeing a downed opponent be a legal strike in the future?
I was wondering the same thing.

The knee the guy took prior to the Diego fight was brutal. I was actually pissed at that dude for throwing pt.
Hence the confusion. The Vargas knee wasn't a brain snap like when Wes Sims stomped Frank Mir. I believe it was thrown with intent (Not accidental), yet without malice, like he believed it was a legal shot, or it was something he had trained.

Ricky - I thought the Ref acted as promptly as he could. He waited for the doctor's medical clearance, promtly deducted a point and pressed Diego if he wanted to continue. I agree with you otherwise. Maybe a situation where the doctor can request a second evaluation after 5mins, would be a more neutral approach.

DQs are pretty rare tbf. Don't think I've seen two on a card before.
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Tinnie wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 21:25
Impractical Poster wrote: 16 Feb 2020, 22:22

I was wondering the same thing.

The knee the guy took prior to the Diego fight was brutal. I was actually pissed at that dude for throwing pt.
Hence the confusion. The Vargas knee wasn't a brain snap like when Wes Sims stomped Frank Mir. I believe it was thrown with intent (Not accidental), yet without malice, like he believed it was a legal shot, or it was something he had trained.

Ricky - I thought the Ref acted as promptly as he could. He waited for the doctor's medical clearance, promtly deducted a point and pressed Diego if he wanted to continue. I agree with you otherwise. Maybe a situation where the doctor can request a second evaluation after 5mins, would be a more neutral approach.

DQs are pretty rare tbf. Don't think I've seen two on a card before.

I think the ref was guilty of not reading the fight. It was obvious that Diego was getting smoked and if he simply offers him a DQ victory on a platter he was likely to take it - even though be could clearly continue, the illegal shot wasn't that bad.

There's obviously a gray area where fouls are concerned, the ref can't just go offering up DQ wins everytime a fighter gets fouled from a low shot, rabbit punch, eye poke, etc. If you set a precedent of DQ wins (coupled with the financial win bonuses) then guys will be flopping everytime they think they took an illegal shot
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Ricky wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 22:34
Tinnie wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 21:25

Hence the confusion. The Vargas knee wasn't a brain snap like when Wes Sims stomped Frank Mir. I believe it was thrown with intent (Not accidental), yet without malice, like he believed it was a legal shot, or it was something he had trained.

Ricky - I thought the Ref acted as promptly as he could. He waited for the doctor's medical clearance, promtly deducted a point and pressed Diego if he wanted to continue. I agree with you otherwise. Maybe a situation where the doctor can request a second evaluation after 5mins, would be a more neutral approach.

DQs are pretty rare tbf. Don't think I've seen two on a card before.

I think the ref was guilty of not reading the fight. It was obvious that Diego was getting smoked and if he simply offers him a DQ victory on a platter he was likely to take it - even though be could clearly continue, the illegal shot wasn't that bad.

There's obviously a gray area where fouls are concerned, the ref can't just go offering up DQ wins everytime a fighter gets fouled from a low shot, rabbit punch, eye poke, etc. If you set a precedent of DQ wins (coupled with the financial win bonuses) then guys will be flopping everytime they think they took an illegal shot
I understand the grey area you bring up, yet respectfully disagree. The ref didnt offer him a way out, but simply asked if he could continue. Never considered it, but im sure there is some legal liability behind that question. It had nothing to do with reading the fight in that moment..... just following the protocol of the rules he is officiating....

I dont think Diego should have got a DQ victory..... nor do i think it will set a precedent or be exploited.... the way the UFC is, he will not be rewarded for his "win".....

DQs in mma are pretty rare as it is, even more so controversial ones.... off the top of my mind Jones/Hamill is the only other harsh one to come to mind.....

Devil's advocate..... in the circumstance of an illegal blow, id be happy with a DQ with a ref or doctor stoppage..... if the fight doctor clears a fighter and he refuses to fight, like Diego, a NC should be awarded.
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James Haskell is on a Bellator show soon isn't he? Anyone know when?
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Tinnie wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 06:17
Ricky wrote:17 Feb 2020, 22:34


I think the ref was guilty of not reading the fight. It was obvious that Diego was getting smoked and if he simply offers him a DQ victory on a platter he was likely to take it - even though be could clearly continue, the illegal shot wasn't that bad.

There's obviously a gray area where fouls are concerned, the ref can't just go offering up DQ wins everytime a fighter gets fouled from a low shot, rabbit punch, eye poke, etc. If you set a precedent of DQ wins (coupled with the financial win bonuses) then guys will be flopping everytime they think they took an illegal shot
I understand the grey area you bring up, yet respectfully disagree. The ref didnt offer him a way out, but simply asked if he could continue. Never considered it, but im sure there is some legal liability behind that question. It had nothing to do with reading the fight in that moment..... just following the protocol of the rules he is officiating....

I dont think Diego should have got a DQ victory..... nor do i think it will set a precedent or be exploited.... the way the UFC is, he will not be rewarded for his "win".....

DQs in mma are pretty rare as it is, even more so controversial ones.... off the top of my mind Jones/Hamill is the only other harsh one to come to mind.....

Devil's advocate..... in the circumstance of an illegal blow, id be happy with a DQ with a ref or doctor stoppage..... if the fight doctor clears a fighter and he refuses to fight, like Diego, a NC should be awarded.
Yep. It's the rules. If you decide to break the rules by throwing something as vicious as a knee to the head of a downed opponent. Be prepared to get disqualified.

Was Diego getting beat handily? Yes

Could he have continued? Probably

Do I blame Diego for not continuing?
Absolutely not!

Did the ref do the right thing? Absolutely.

If you knee a downed opponent, you give the opponent the right to continue or forfeit. Stupid move by Pereira. Smart move by Diego. Diego has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he has more heart than 95% of mma fighters. Had he continued it would have been stupid.
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Impractical Poster wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 21:58
Tinnie wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 06:17

I understand the grey area you bring up, yet respectfully disagree. The ref didnt offer him a way out, but simply asked if he could continue. Never considered it, but im sure there is some legal liability behind that question. It had nothing to do with reading the fight in that moment..... just following the protocol of the rules he is officiating....

I dont think Diego should have got a DQ victory..... nor do i think it will set a precedent or be exploited.... the way the UFC is, he will not be rewarded for his "win".....

DQs in mma are pretty rare as it is, even more so controversial ones.... off the top of my mind Jones/Hamill is the only other harsh one to come to mind.....

Devil's advocate..... in the circumstance of an illegal blow, id be happy with a DQ with a ref or doctor stoppage..... if the fight doctor clears a fighter and he refuses to fight, like Diego, a NC should be awarded.
Yep. It's the rules. If you decide to break the rules by throwing something as vicious as a knee to the head of a downed opponent. Be prepared to get disqualified.

Was Diego getting beat handily? Yes

Could he have continued? Probably

Do I blame Diego for not continuing?
Absolutely not!

Did the ref do the right thing? Absolutely.

If you knee a downed opponent, you give the opponent the right to continue or forfeit. Stupid move by Pereira. Smart move by Diego. Diego has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he has more heart than 95% of mma fighters. Had he continued it would have been stupid.

I don't think the referee should offer both a 5 minute recovery AND the DQ win. What incentive does a fighter have to continue if he just gets the win anyway?

DQ's should be instant if they are severe enough. The ref made a dog's dinner of this fight. It should have been 5 minutes recovery & a point deduction, then fight on.
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Ricky wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 22:24
Impractical Poster wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 21:58
Yep. It's the rules. If you decide to break the rules by throwing something as vicious as a knee to the head of a downed opponent. Be prepared to get disqualified.

Was Diego getting beat handily? Yes

Could he have continued? Probably

Do I blame Diego for not continuing?
Absolutely not!

Did the ref do the right thing? Absolutely.

If you knee a downed opponent, you give the opponent the right to continue or forfeit. Stupid move by Pereira. Smart move by Diego. Diego has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he has more heart than 95% of mma fighters. Had he continued it would have been stupid.

I don't think the referee should offer both a 5 minute recovery AND the DQ win. What incentive does a fighter have to continue if he just gets the win anyway?

DQ's should be instant if they are severe enough. The ref made a dog's dinner of this fight. It should have been 5 minutes recovery & a point deduction, then fight on.
The rules are if a fighter cannot continue after an illegal strike like that one, the opponent gets dqed. The ref was seeing if Diego could continue as he wasn't visibly wobbled or koed. Diego said the blood was hindering his vision and he couldn't continue. Sure it was bs. The ref knew it too but was doing what he knew was right. Had the ref done what you proposed, he would have been wrong.
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Impractical Poster wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 23:20
Ricky wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 22:24


I don't think the referee should offer both a 5 minute recovery AND the DQ win. What incentive does a fighter have to continue if he just gets the win anyway?

DQ's should be instant if they are severe enough. The ref made a dog's dinner of this fight. It should have been 5 minutes recovery & a point deduction, then fight on.
The rules are if a fighter cannot continue after an illegal strike like that one, the opponent gets dqed. The ref was seeing if Diego could continue as he wasn't visibly wobbled or koed. Diego said the blood was hindering his vision and he couldn't continue. Sure it was bs. The ref knew it too but was doing what he knew was right. Had the ref done what you proposed, he would have been wrong.

I don't accept that's the case. The rules of unified MMA state what is illegal, it's a rather long list that includes knees, low blows, finger pokes, headbutts, etc. What happens in the event of a foul is then the referee's discretion, judging the severity of the blow, accidental/intentional etc.
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