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ThereByTheGrace wrote:

Covfefe wrote:

ewenhay wrote:
Bought is a general term which includes the type of treatments that you mention. It also includes promises of future work for a good performance and various other ways of influencing a referee such as young attractive female visitors to hotel rooms and discretely placed watches in dressing rooms

Again, too brazen. It just doesn’t happen.

You will never know, I would say it does happen though!!

Why? What makes you sure?

bob arum did it with the ibf

cant believe that it doesnt happen more times than its discovered. its a money game after all.

Pretty weird to see so many people criticizing Joshua's stamina when he couldn't breathe through his nose for any part of the fight. That would gas anyone.

Also, for all of these years that I've been classifying Takam as a respectable top 15 heavyweight, I'm glad he gave further validation to the claims today. Would like to see him matched with someone like Breazeale, Martin, or Kownacki.

rd350lc wrote:

stujones wrote:Has Joe Cordina fought? Are Sky going to show it?

Yes and no .

Too busy chatting poo about how humble Joshua is .

That's ridiculous really, Cordina has had quite a bit of press coverage from Sky about appearing on the card.... Can't believe Sky then just didn't show it, not even a tiny review like they did with Okolie / Buatsi.

If Usyk moved up to HW hed stand Joshua on his head

Lackeos wrote:Pretty weird to see so many people criticizing Joshua's stamina when he couldn't breathe through his nose for any part of the fight. That would gas anyone.

Also, for all of these years that I've been classifying Takam as a respectable top 15 heavyweight, I'm glad he gave further validation to the claims today. Would like to see him matched with someone like Breazeale, Martin, or Kownacki.

mate loads of ppl have rated takam top 15 for years.

Oiky wrote:If Usyk moved up to HW hed stand Joshua on his head

other way around.

Covfefe wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Covfefe wrote:
I do not believe judges or officials are bought.

Influenced through treatment possibly, but a genuine cash payment for a card or stoppage? Nah, far too risky.

A payment through treatment not a payment all the same?

Do they give non-regular officials different treatment?

Yes. It's called work. We've seen Bob Arum call out Adelaide Byrd and make it clear he doesn't want her in a juding position for other bouts. We've seen other promoters complain about judges and referees. That alone is treatment.,

ALL "mandatory" title bouts should have 4 neutral officals.

Lackeos wrote:Pretty weird to see so many people criticizing Joshua's stamina when he couldn't breathe through his nose for any part of the fight. That would gas anyone.

Also, for all of these years that I've been classifying Takam as a respectable top 15 heavyweight, I'm glad he gave further validation to the claims today. Would like to see him matched with someone like Breazeale, Martin, or Kownacki.

A broken nose that doesn't bleed like a crazy mutha fucka?

Covfefe wrote:

ThereByTheGrace wrote:

Covfefe wrote:
Again, too brazen. It just doesn’t happen.

You will never know, I would say it does happen though!!

Why? What makes you sure?

What you makes you sure it doesn't happen?

Politics/Business/Life in General has it's fair share of corruption, why would a sport with a lot of money at stake in the future and vested interests not make me think it doesn't happen!!

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Covfefe wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:
A payment through treatment not a payment all the same?

Do they give non-regular officials different treatment?

Yes. It's called work. We've seen Bob Arum call out Adelaide Byrd and make it clear he doesn't want her in a juding position for other bouts. We've seen other promoters complain about judges and referees. That alone is treatment.,

ALL "mandatory" title bouts should have 4 neutral officals.

I don’t disagree, and it should be kept secret till fight day. But I do not believe people can buy people as being suggested here, it would have come out now that it happens. Conspiracies work when it’s amonsgt a few, when you start thinking about networks of judges and refs it becomes nonsense.

stujones wrote:

rd350lc wrote:

stujones wrote:Has Joe Cordina fought? Are Sky going to show it?

Yes and no .

Too busy chatting poo about how humble Joshua is .

That's ridiculous really, Cordina has had quite a bit of press coverage from Sky about appearing on the card.... Can't believe Sky then just didn't show it, not even a tiny review like they did with Okolie / Buatsi.

Piss poor .

The nice totty presenter mentioned it was going on in the background and that was it .

Apart from Taylor I didn't enjoy any of the card tonight and the bullshit stoppage just compounded it for me

Unfortunately we won't get a balanced viewpoint from sky as they won't risk anyone thinking he is anything less than unbeatable.

I think his vulnerabilities are there to be seen and everyone will know the blueprint to beat him now. I'm just not sure there are too many with the brains and the guile to take advantage at the moment. Takam was a live dog in that fight and even more so the longer it went.

jamamb wrote:

Lackeos wrote:Pretty weird to see so many people criticizing Joshua's stamina when he couldn't breathe through his nose for any part of the fight. That would gas anyone.

Also, for all of these years that I've been classifying Takam as a respectable top 15 heavyweight, I'm glad he gave further validation to the claims today. Would like to see him matched with someone like Breazeale, Martin, or Kownacki.

mate loads of ppl have rated takam top 15 for years.

Yeah, I've probably been one of the most disappointed about the Pulev pull out, but that's cos I would say Pulev was a top 6/7 heavyweight (including the champions) - and one of the 6/7 fighters who I thought was acceptable to face Joshua now. I always considered Takam in the top 15, but felt he needed a meaningful win before challenging for the world title.

ewenhay wrote:Unfortunately we won't get a balanced viewpoint from sky as they won't risk anyone thinking he is anything less than unbeatable.

I think his vulnerabilities are there to be seen and everyone will know the blueprint to beat him now. I'm just not sure there are too many with the brains and the guile to take advantage at the moment. Takam was a live dog in that fight and even more so the longer it went.

That's how I saw it exactly and it would have been an interesting last 2 rounds

Covfefe wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Covfefe wrote:
Do they give non-regular officials different treatment?

Yes. It's called work. We've seen Bob Arum call out Adelaide Byrd and make it clear he doesn't want her in a juding position for other bouts. We've seen other promoters complain about judges and referees. That alone is treatment.,

ALL "mandatory" title bouts should have 4 neutral officals.

I don’t disagree, and it should be kept secret till fight day. But I do not believe people can buy people as being suggested here, it would have come out now that it happens. Conspiracies work when it’s amonsgt a few, when you start thinking about networks of judges and refs it becomes nonsense.

The "network" in the UK is limited to A* officals....

rd350lc wrote:

ewenhay wrote:Unfortunately we won't get a balanced viewpoint from sky as they won't risk anyone thinking he is anything less than unbeatable.

I think his vulnerabilities are there to be seen and everyone will know the blueprint to beat him now. I'm just not sure there are too many with the brains and the guile to take advantage at the moment. Takam was a live dog in that fight and even more so the longer it went.

That's how I saw it exactly and it would have been an interesting last 2 rounds

If Takam got out of the tenth.

Joshua had buzzed him and was trying to stop the fight. It was premature but Joshua has been robbed of a proper ending as much as Takam has.

I said as soon I heard that Takam would be more of a handful, he's a proper hard pudendum, BS house ref stoppage though, got to keep that perfect record going, so unfair on Takam.

Covfefe wrote:It was premature but Joshua has been robbed of a proper ending as much as Takam has.

Yeah, maybe the ref was biased against Joshua. Good point.

ewenhay wrote:Unfortunately we won't get a balanced viewpoint from sky as they won't risk anyone thinking he is anything less than unbeatable.

I think his vulnerabilities are there to be seen and everyone will know the blueprint to beat him now. I'm just not sure there are too many with the brains and the guile to take advantage at the moment. Takam was a live dog in that fight and even more so the longer it went.

Nelson said it was early. Froch said he understood both sides. Can't remember what Bellew said.

Horse wrote:

Covfefe wrote:It was premature but Joshua has been robbed of a proper ending as much as Takam has.

Yeah, maybe the ref was biased against Joshua. Good point.

I didn’t say that, but it’s true isn’t it?

Lots of people, myself included, are not satisfied with the ending. Joshua could have stopped him or taken a wide decision and we wouldn’t be talking like this, that’s bad for Joshua isn’t it?

ewenhay wrote:Unfortunately we won't get a balanced viewpoint from sky as they won't risk anyone thinking he is anything less than unbeatable.

I think his vulnerabilities are there to be seen and everyone will know the blueprint to beat him now. I'm just not sure there are too many with the brains and the guile to take advantage at the moment. Takam was a live dog in that fight and even more so the longer it went.

I don't know about that to be honest. Takam didn't win a round for me, so not sure how he showed a blue print or helped showed a blue print. It would have been interesting what would have happened had Takam not got cutted, he seemed to be quite contented not throwing anything for first four rounds - he got a bit more desperate after the cut. Would he just have run around the ring for 12 rounds had he not had the injury. Klitchsko fought a very different fight - but he was winning (for me).

Yes, Joshua gases, yes there might even be questions over his resistance - but Joshua will never gas enough to be in threat of losing if he is dictating the pace.

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rd350lc wrote:

ewenhay wrote:Unfortunately we won't get a balanced viewpoint from sky as they won't risk anyone thinking he is anything less than unbeatable.

I think his vulnerabilities are there to be seen and everyone will know the blueprint to beat him now. I'm just not sure there are too many with the brains and the guile to take advantage at the moment. Takam was a live dog in that fight and even more so the longer it went.

That's how I saw it exactly and it would have been an interesting last 2 rounds

If Takam got out of the tenth.

Joshua had buzzed him and was trying to stop the fight. It was premature but Joshua has been robbed of a proper ending as much as Takam has.

I'm not going to argue with you on that , bit like the first Froch Groves fight ?

I just think we are going to see Joshua out on his feet late on in a fight sooner or later .

stujones wrote:

ewenhay wrote:Unfortunately we won't get a balanced viewpoint from sky as they won't risk anyone thinking he is anything less than unbeatable.

I think his vulnerabilities are there to be seen and everyone will know the blueprint to beat him now. I'm just not sure there are too many with the brains and the guile to take advantage at the moment. Takam was a live dog in that fight and even more so the longer it went.

I don't know about that to be honest. Takam didn't win a round for me, so not sure how he showed a blue print or helped showed a blue print. It would have been interesting what would have happened had Takam not got cutted, he seemed to be quite contented not throwing anything for first four rounds - he got a bit more desperate after the cut. Would he just have run around the ring for 12 rounds had he not had the injury. Klitchsko fought a very different fight - but he was winning (for me).

Yes, Joshua gases, yes there might even be questions over his resistance - but Joshua will never gas enough to be in threat of losing if he is dictating the pace.

Exactly. Takam gave a good account of himself but he was never forcing the work. Which if he had may have been very interesting as Joshua was struggling with the pace he was setting himself. Broken nose I know but he had a willing opponent to a degree tonight.

rd350lc wrote:

Covfefe wrote:

rd350lc wrote:
That's how I saw it exactly and it would have been an interesting last 2 rounds

If Takam got out of the tenth.

Joshua had buzzed him and was trying to stop the fight. It was premature but Joshua has been robbed of a proper ending as much as Takam has.

I'm not going to argue with you on that , bit like the first Froch Groves fight ?

I just think we are going to see Joshua out on his feet late on in a fight sooner or later .

Perhaps, and it wouldn’t surprise me. But it isn’t going to happen in fights where he’s fighting at his own pace and controlling most of the work.