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IRONFIST wrote: ↑27 Sep 2021, 06:51 As predicted Usyk beat Joshua Usyk schooled him.

Joshua has been gun shy since the Marathon/Snickers boy Ruiz stopped him. Who was that berk who kept praising Joshua during the fight was it McCracken or Bellew. That's the trouble with "Johnny Big Bucks" Joshua surrounded by too many yes men and BLM blighters (they'll probably ditch him now that he was schooled by a white man). Faffing about with fancy ring entrances as if he was Big Daddy from the wrestling days, greeting people etc.

We can safely say the mega multi-million pound fight with Fury has now gone for a Burton, I did warn them. Fury would've mullered Joshua. Joshua has a cheek to say he would fight the wnner of Fury vs Wilder, without his belts, I think he knows Usyk has his number and would lose the rematch too. All his silly sayings "it's a blessing" and that he didn't need a plan etc have come back to bite him again.

Usyk vs Fury would be an interesting match (providing the Covid blighter hasn't affected him), I'd say Fury UD win though.

It's hard to let your hands go if you're gun shy, which AJ is. He's done unless he can get his confidence back.

Bandog wrote: ↑28 Sep 2021, 18:46

IRONFIST wrote: ↑27 Sep 2021, 06:51 As predicted Usyk beat Joshua Usyk schooled him.

Joshua has been gun shy since the Marathon/Snickers boy Ruiz stopped him. Who was that berk who kept praising Joshua during the fight was it McCracken or Bellew. That's the trouble with "Johnny Big Bucks" Joshua surrounded by too many yes men and BLM blighters (they'll probably ditch him now that he was schooled by a white man). Faffing about with fancy ring entrances as if he was Big Daddy from the wrestling days, greeting people etc.

We can safely say the mega multi-million pound fight with Fury has now gone for a Burton, I did warn them. Fury would've mullered Joshua. Joshua has a cheek to say he would fight the wnner of Fury vs Wilder, without his belts, I think he knows Usyk has his number and would lose the rematch too. All his silly sayings "it's a blessing" and that he didn't need a plan etc have come back to bite him again.

Usyk vs Fury would be an interesting match (providing the Covid blighter hasn't affected him), I'd say Fury UD win though.

It's hard to let your hands go if you're gun shy, which AJ is. He's done unless he can get his confidence back.

This is the key.

Joshua's stamina is crap and he is acutely aware of this.

He's scared to to let his fists fly for fear of becoming exhausted.

Unless he can sort his stamina out, which at 32, he probably can't, then he has little chance of beating someone like Usyk.

Usyk looked good, no question about the result.
He had a solid gas tank and clearly trained hard for this fight.
The Usyk jab was an important element although his movement played a much more important role in the victory.
Joshua looked ready to go in the 12th and alarm bells were ringing.
He looked robotic predictable and weak physically once the fight got beyond a certain stage, he didn't have that gear to overcome.

The fight itself was very good and of a high quality.

Now look at some in the Heavyweight division
Fury
Wilder
Usyk
Joshua
Whyte
Ect ...

This division has some entertaining fights on the horizon.

But they take so damn long to fight each other..

Fury and Wilder been banging on for years
Usyk was mandatory when he stepped up from cruiser champ years ago.
Joe Joyce will be telling his grandkids about his mandatory position
Dillion Whyte had had a mandatory for years as well.

Usyk will definitely have to rematch vs Joshua.

Fury and Wilder don't have another rematch clause. The winner, who gotta be Fury, will fight the winner of Whyte vs Wallin, as Whyte has been around WBC for ages and suited them, while Wallin has a history against Fury.

Rematch ?
Unless something better is put in front of them early next year seems to make sense.

i f@cking hate this trend of immediate rematches of comfortable victories, makes me want aj to go suck a lemon

uzzy vs wilder-fury winner is the fight to happen. of course since the fight makes sense, the chance of happening probably sux

Unfortunately, there's a rematch clause and Joshua will use it at least to cash out.

Rematch in Ukraine ?

i doubt it, prob uk again

usyk has a perfect road warrior streak in title fights so actually its cool if he doesnt fight at home.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 02:00 i f@cking hate this trend of immediate rematches of comfortable victories, makes me want aj to go suck a lemon

uzzy vs wilder-fury winner is the fight to happen. of course since the fight makes sense, the chance of happening probably sux

I partially agree with you.

This is going to sound hypocritical.

Tyson Fury’s contractual obligation to face Deontay Wilder for a third time really winds me up.

But I don’t mind the Joshua-Usyk rematch, because there isn’t a bigger name available for Oleksandr to face, and I’m curious to see AJ’s gamplan for their second fight.

I really don’t know why I want to see the Joshua-Usyk rematch, because under normal circumstances, I wouldn’t want to see an immediate rematch between two fighters where their previous bout was so one-sided.

Fury's Father Defends Joshua: Give AJ a Break, It Was His Corner's Fault

John Fury, the father of WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, has actually come out in defense of Anthony Joshua.

Last weekend, Joshua suffered a twelve round unanimous decision loss to Oleksandr Uysk, who walked away with the WBO, IBF, IBO, WBA heavyweight titles.

The unexpected loss derailed a possible Fury vs. Joshua unification for early 2022.

Joshua will now face Usyk in a rematch in the first quarter of next year.

Many observers have criticized Joshua for his performance - with many of them pointing to Joshua's strategy of attempting to box with the smaller man, who is widely regarded as a superior boxer.

However, the elder Fury has blamed Joshua's corner, including head trainer Robert McCracken, for utilizing the wrong game plan and failing to make adjustments during the fight.

"Listen he’s a very awkward man Usyk. Obviously he’d never fought anybody like that before. What he did need to do is adopt Derek Chisora’s game plan because he did a better job than what [AJ] did," John Fury told BT Sport.

"I thought if he used his weight a bit more and put a bit more devil in his work, it could’ve gone better for him. I was surprised because he’s a big dude. He might’ve lost too much weight, but what he needed to do was get all over him and put him under pressure. Not let him settle. When your plan ain’t working, it’s up to the corner to switch it up, and they never. They kept saying in the eighth round, ‘Be smart behind your jab.’

“It wasn’t working because he was in front of a master technician and he played Usyk’s game from the beginning. They didn’t try and change it – it’s his corner’s fault. Give AJ a break. Because it wasn’t all AJ’s fault, it was his corner, they never had the brains to help him out of a sticky situation. You’ve got to know that the men in your corner know the fight game.”

The best thing for AJ to do is to take a tune up with a lower level guy, preferably a southpaw, to get his confidence back. He could have it written he gets the winner of Wilder/Fury vs Usyk.

I don't think he'll beat Usyk the way he is fighting, and may get stopped if Usyk puts it on him beginning round 9-10. It's more of lack of confidence than tactics.

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:33 The best thing for AJ to do is to take a tune up with a lower level guy, preferably a southpaw, to get his confidence back. He could have it written he gets the winner of Wilder/Fury vs Usyk.

I don't think he'll beat Usyk the way he is fighting, and may get stopped if Usyk puts it on him beginning round 9-10. It's more of lack of confidence than tactics.

How many southpaw HW's?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:39

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:33 The best thing for AJ to do is to take a tune up with a lower level guy, preferably a southpaw, to get his confidence back. He could have it written he gets the winner of Wilder/Fury vs Usyk.

I don't think he'll beat Usyk the way he is fighting, and may get stopped if Usyk puts it on him beginning round 9-10. It's more of lack of confidence than tactics.

How many southpaw HW's?

Ortiz, Wallin, Zhang.

And Zhang wanted revenge over AJ. But now he probably doesn't.

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:49

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:39

Bandog wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:33 The best thing for AJ to do is to take a tune up with a lower level guy, preferably a southpaw, to get his confidence back. He could have it written he gets the winner of Wilder/Fury vs Usyk.

I don't think he'll beat Usyk the way he is fighting, and may get stopped if Usyk puts it on him beginning round 9-10. It's more of lack of confidence than tactics.

How many southpaw HW's?

Ortiz, Wallin, Zhang.

And Zhang wanted revenge over AJ. But now he probably doesn't.

Maybe even rematch Charles Martin

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:56

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:49

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 05:39

How many southpaw HW's?

Ortiz, Wallin, Zhang.

And Zhang wanted revenge over AJ. But now he probably doesn't.

Maybe even rematch Charles Martin

That's probably what Joshua's team will want after losing the second bout to Usyk.

I like the way everyone pipes in on how Joshua needs to change his style/tactics to defeat Usyk in a return. Like Usyk isn't going to be prepared or improved himself! One of the best boxing brains there has ever been !

evrenb wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 08:40 I like the way everyone pipes in on how Joshua needs to change his style/tactics to defeat Usyk in a return. Like Usyk isn't going to be prepared or improved himself! One of the best boxing brains there has ever been !

To be honest, I thought that was the best Joshua could have done in there. People are laying into him saying he should have done this or that but, and I haven't had time to watch it back but I've noticed that the full fight is up on YouTube properly now, my feelings at the time after the fight ended was that Joshua was boxing very well for Anthony Joshua and that just charging Usyk going for the KO would have made it an earlier night for Usyk.

Yes, AJ bit on the feints and couldn't keep his lead foot on the outside and all sorts of stuff but that's because Usyk's absolutely mustard and had, and will continue to have no matter what Joshua brings, an answer for whatever he does.

He's just that much better.

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 11:32

evrenb wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 08:40 I like the way everyone pipes in on how Joshua needs to change his style/tactics to defeat Usyk in a return. Like Usyk isn't going to be prepared or improved himself! One of the best boxing brains there has ever been !

To be honest, I thought that was the best Joshua could have done in there. People are laying into him saying he should have done this or that but, and I haven't had time to watch it back but I've noticed that the full fight is up on YouTube properly now, my feelings at the time after the fight ended was that Joshua was boxing very well for Anthony Joshua and that just charging Usyk going for the KO would have made it an earlier night for Usyk.

Yes, AJ bit on the feints and couldn't keep his lead foot on the outside and all sorts of stuff but that's because Usyk's absolutely mustard and had, and will continue to have no matter what Joshua brings, an answer for whatever he does.

He's just that much better.

evrenb wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 08:40 I like the way everyone pipes in on how Joshua needs to change his style/tactics to defeat Usyk in a return. Like Usyk isn't going to be prepared or improved himself! One of the best boxing brains there has ever been !

Exactly.

The narrative seems to be all that AJ has to do is be more aggressive etc, as if Usyk will just give up fighting if that happens.

Usyk will more than likely make the necessary adjustments to win.

He's done it before, so why wouldn't he do it again?

Syntax Error wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 17:38The narrative seems to be all that AJ has to do is be more aggressive etc, as if Usyk will just give up fighting if that happens.

People are saying that because of Usyk's performance in the Dereck Chisora fight.

And let's face it, AJ has never been a pure boxer, but yet he decided to try to outbox a master boxer.

Perhaps AJ will never be able to beat Oleksabdr Usyk, but I feel he'll do better with a completely different gameplan.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 18:17

Syntax Error wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 17:38The narrative seems to be all that AJ has to do is be more aggressive etc, as if Usyk will just give up fighting if that happens.

People are saying that because of Usyk's performance in the Dereck Chisora fight.

And let's face it, AJ has never been a pure boxer, but yet he decided to try to outbox a master boxer.

Perhaps AJ will never be able to beat Oleksabdr Usyk, but I feel he'll do better with a completely different gameplan.

I actually feel, judging by the first fight, that if AJ tries to be more aggressive, come in heavier etc he will get knocked out as he was hurt badly several times by Usyk. Anthony, to give him all the credit he deserves, is no dummy and he fought the best he could. In my eyes his best success was when he attacked the body.

evrenb wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 04:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 18:17

Syntax Error wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 17:38The narrative seems to be all that AJ has to do is be more aggressive etc, as if Usyk will just give up fighting if that happens.

People are saying that because of Usyk's performance in the Dereck Chisora fight.

And let's face it, AJ has never been a pure boxer, but yet he decided to try to outbox a master boxer.

Perhaps AJ will never be able to beat Oleksabdr Usyk, but I feel he'll do better with a completely different gameplan.

I actually feel, judging by the first fight, that if AJ tries to be more aggressive, come in heavier etc he will get knocked out as he was hurt badly several times by Usyk. Anthony, to give him all the credit he deserves, is no dummy and he fought the best he could. In my eyes his best success was when he attacked the body.

This is how I see it.

There's a reason why Joshua fought the way he did; he knew that if he tried to fight any other way, he'd come off even worse.

He is acutely aware of how poor his stamina is and he is also acutely aware of how good Usyk is; a once in a generation type fighter.

He may well go for broke in the rematch, but he isn't Matthew Salad Muhammad and he he doesn't have it in his mentality to do that anymore.

evrenb wrote: ↑30 Sep 2021, 04:02

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 18:17

Syntax Error wrote: ↑29 Sep 2021, 17:38The narrative seems to be all that AJ has to do is be more aggressive etc, as if Usyk will just give up fighting if that happens.

People are saying that because of Usyk's performance in the Dereck Chisora fight.

And let's face it, AJ has never been a pure boxer, but yet he decided to try to outbox a master boxer.

Perhaps AJ will never be able to beat Oleksabdr Usyk, but I feel he'll do better with a completely different gameplan.

I actually feel, judging by the first fight, that if AJ tries to be more aggressive, come in heavier etc he will get knocked out as he was hurt badly several times by Usyk. Anthony, to give him all the credit he deserves, is no dummy and he fought the best he could. In my eyes his best success was when he attacked the body.

Yes, Usyk is simply better. He made Joshua to fight that way. If Joshua was more aggressive, he would eat even more counters. Usyk is faster and his stamina is better, so Joshua would only leave more openings in a case of being more aggressive.