Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tyson Fury II | PPV - 21 December 2024

[coneye]

100% agree on the recovery, but for both Usyk and Wilder 3, the bell for the end of the round sounded at the right time. That's boxing though.

Given the battering he took from Usyk in round 9, the fact he seemed completely back to normal by the next round was pretty remarkable.

Or maybe he isnt as hurt as he looks when buzzed?

Despite the myth that says Fury is a smooth fluid boxer - the truth is, he is actually a very ungainly and awkward looking boxer. When someone that big and ungainly goes over its always going to look more dramatic.
How that initial punch seemed to deflate Fury and put him on bambi legs may have actually been as much from tiredness; he is carrying about 4st excess at least - and aside from his pedestrian like plods up Morecambe promenade with his even fatter father, he clearly skips leg day.

The bits I`ve seem him of late he looks a bigger in the arms .. but even with his shorts up to his armpits the blubber is also clear to see. Those skinny legs of his will tire mid rounds again if Usyk makes him work like he did last time.

Think you may have nailed it there , his ability to be hurt i think has always stood out , but so has his recovery rate , , Usyk i feel has him worked out , and part of that is has you said make him work hard , and work hard is something he is gonna have to do , either on them legs moving away , boxing or on them legs trying to catch a more elusive Usyk , either way , we will see soon enough , , i still think Fury is in with a chance especielly if he leans , mauls and sinks in them body shots , because for me Usys achilles heel is definetly the body , and they must know that

[keithmoonhangover]

Window licker.

If that's the case, Butterbean must be fitter than Usain Bolt.

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

I understand what you're saying, but we are talking top level elite boxers. None of the great heavyweights carried that much spare weight around when they were at the top. Ali, Liston, Patterson, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Frazier, Holmes, Tunney, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Klitschkos, Walcott, Charles, Usyk.
They must have had it wrong. They would all have been a lot better if they'd just carried some extra fat around.

[KiwiRider]

Is Tyson looking alright physically?
I've not seen a training picture of him recently

[tigermoth87]

Let's hope Fury gets battered again.

It's quite amazing really how he went from one of my favorite fighters after beating Wilder to a guy I cant stand because of his behaviour in the buildup to Usyk. He always acted like a twat in the past, but there was a fun factor to him in the past. With Usyk, he just went way overboard and became unbearable and wasn't funny, just annoying.

Big John Fury makes me dislike Tyson by way of association too. I cant stand that fat toddler.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He does overdo it tbh at times.

Remember when he was with Parker on video and he called usyk gappy-tooth (which is so childish btw) and Parker who is also “gappy-toothed) was stood behind him didn’t know where to put his face

[coneye]

If that's the case, Butterbean must be fitter than Usain Bolt.

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

I understand what you're saying, but we are talking top level elite boxers. None of the great heavyweights carried that much spare weight around when they were at the top. Ali, Liston, Patterson, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Frazier, Holmes, Tunney, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Klitschkos, Walcott, Charles, Usyk.
They must have had it wrong. They would all have been a lot better if they'd just carried some extra fat around.

Yep but have you noticed how many on your list are smaller , and there are others who did carry extra weight around the belly , and boxed at the high level , Bowe , Golotto , to name two without thinking , or looking at old videos , but i do understand what your saying , i've not seen any photos of him , but would agree he should be looking at being closer to his early condition , but you have to allow for age has well ,

On a side note not having a chiseled body does'nt mean you cannot take a body shot

[Fray Bentos]

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

I understand what you're saying, but we are talking top level elite boxers. None of the great heavyweights carried that much spare weight around when they were at the top. Ali, Liston, Patterson, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Frazier, Holmes, Tunney, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Klitschkos, Walcott, Charles, Usyk.
They must have had it wrong. They would all have been a lot better if they'd just carried some extra fat around.

Yep but have you noticed how many on your list are smaller , and there are others who did carry extra weight around the belly , and boxed at the high level , Bowe , Golotto , to name two without thinking , or looking at old videos , but i do understand what your saying , i've not seen any photos of him , but would agree he should be looking at being closer to his early condition , but you have to allow for age has well ,

On a side note not having a chiseled body does'nt mean you cannot take a body shot

Witherspoon vs Bruno was an excellent example, in my 14 year old mind - the shape and size of Bruno should have smashed Witherspoon inside a few rounds but we all know what happened.

it wasn't Witherspoon was very heavy either - he was about 16 stone for that fight? He just had that kind of physique.

[keithmoonhangover]

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

I understand what you're saying, but we are talking top level elite boxers. None of the great heavyweights carried that much spare weight around when they were at the top. Ali, Liston, Patterson, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Frazier, Holmes, Tunney, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Klitschkos, Walcott, Charles, Usyk.
They must have had it wrong. They would all have been a lot better if they'd just carried some extra fat around.

Yep but have you noticed how many on your list are smaller , and there are others who did carry extra weight around the belly , and boxed at the high level , Bowe , Golotto , to name two without thinking , or looking at old videos , but i do understand what your saying , i've not seen any photos of him , but would agree he should be looking at being closer to his early condition , but you have to allow for age has well ,

On a side note not having a chiseled body does'nt mean you cannot take a body shot

Bowe didn't perform better with extra fat. Eddie Futch refused to work with him in that condition. There's a reason why Futch, one of the most respected trainers in the history sport did that, because surplus fat doesn't improve your performance.

[coneye]

Well i'm not going to argue with you , simply because you fundamentaly are correct , a fighter really does want to be in the best shape he can be in , theres no argument there whatso ever ,, BUT you do get fighters who cannot have the perfect shape and can fight , go the distance and take body shots regardless off there body shape , same has you have chisseled adonis type fighters who cannot take the shots .

Suppose we are discusing a certain fighter FURY , who can be better because we have seen it , but he was younger , , and regardless off his stomach size , i've never seen him hurt or dropped with a body punch , have you . but then again , if he did shed some of them love handles and fat he's shown in the past , would he be fleet footed and quick enough to make Usyk work extra hard , so you have a valid point ,

basicly i agree a really trimmed down in shape no fat Fury would be better , especielly for speed and stamina , but can a late 30's fury do that ,k i doubt it , we all get older

[keithmoonhangover]

Well i'm not going to argue with you , simply because you fundamentaly are correct , a fighter really does want to be in the best shape he can be in , theres no argument there whatso ever ,, BUT you do get fighters who cannot have the perfect shape and can fight , go the distance and take body shots regardless off there body shape , same has you have chisseled adonis type fighters who cannot take the shots .

Suppose we are discusing a certain fighter FURY , who can be better because we have seen it , but he was younger , , and regardless off his stomach size , i've never seen him hurt or dropped with a body punch , have you . but then again , if he did shed some of them love handles and fat he's shown in the past , would he be fleet footed and quick enough to make Usyk work extra hard , so you have a valid point ,

basicly i agree a really trimmed down in shape no fat Fury would be better , especielly for speed and stamina , but can a late 30's fury do that ,k i doubt it , we all get older

Good post. Usyk gets in shape, so did Klitschko. The way I look at it, Fury makes a choice to come into the ring like that.

[stujones]

Fury has also naturally "bulked out" over the years and also probably has quite a bit of excess skin from the post Klitchscko weight gain. He was 8lb heavier in McDermott rematch than he was vs Usyk, but he certainly looked fatter vs Usyk.

[Controversial]

Yeah Fury is never going to be winning any body beautiful contests. As we know what your body looks like often means little in boxing, there’s been plenty of muscle bound fighters that are knackered after a few rounds. Fury was still on his toes in the 12th round so his fitness is pretty decent, especially for someone his size. I don’t think at his age he’s going to change dramatically, even a lot lighter he still looked flabby.

[tonyevs]

A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

[mickey1975]

A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

[tonyevs]

A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

Who did Fury look a smooth boxer against? Wlad??
You must have a very low bar (or been at the open bar too long) to think that if so. A washed up near 40 yr old champ losing an all time stinker is most peoples memory of that one.

Being a giant was good enough for best part of Furys career .. just like it was for past champs like Willard, Carnera and Valuev who's own career record so clearly resembles Furys.

Yes the judges had it close, but aside from Fury and his nuthuggers, everyone else had Usyk winning quite clearly.

[maverick23]

A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

Who did Fury look a smooth boxer against? Wlad??
You must have a very low bar (or been at the open bar too long) to think that if so. A washed up near 40 yr old champ losing an all time stinker is most peoples memory of that one.

Being a giant was good enough for best part of Furys career .. just like it was for past champs like Willard, Carnera and Valuev who's own career record so clearly resembles Furys.

Yes the judges had it close, but aside from Fury and his nuthuggers, everyone else had Usyk winning quite clearly.

That’s revisionist saying Klitschko was washed up. He was on the decline from his peak but he was in no way washed up.

I guess it depends on definition on smooth boxer. He was very smooth in Chisora 2 (and 3 to a certain extent). I wouldn’t say he was smooth against Wlad but he did outbox him with Klitschko going for Fury’s feints.

He won several rounds against Usyk although I thought he lost the fight. He outboxed him in some rounds and I think lost a couple of others where he switched off a bit.

Would he have been as successful without his size? Possibly not but that doesn’t mean he’s not a smooth boxer.

[mickey1975]

A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

Who did Fury look a smooth boxer against? Wlad??
You must have a very low bar (or been at the open bar too long) to think that if so. A washed up near 40 yr old champ losing an all time stinker is most peoples memory of that one.

Being a giant was good enough for best part of Furys career .. just like it was for past champs like Willard, Carnera and Valuev who's own career record so clearly resembles Furys.

Yes the judges had it close, but aside from Fury and his nuthuggers, everyone else had Usyk winning quite clearly.

So a non smooth boxer can be competitive with Usyk? You set a very high bar.

[keithmoonhangover]

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

Who did Fury look a smooth boxer against? Wlad??
You must have a very low bar (or been at the open bar too long) to think that if so. A washed up near 40 yr old champ losing an all time stinker is most peoples memory of that one.

Being a giant was good enough for best part of Furys career .. just like it was for past champs like Willard, Carnera and Valuev who's own career record so clearly resembles Furys.

Yes the judges had it close, but aside from Fury and his nuthuggers, everyone else had Usyk winning quite clearly.

So a non smooth boxer can be competitive with Usyk? You set a very high bar.

A non-smooth boxer can definitely be competitive. I wouldn't class George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Hagler, Dempsey or even Duran as smooth boxers.

I agree that Fury ain't a smooth boxer, but that doesn't mean he isn't effective.

[big lennox]

I am.intrugued to see what weight Fury comes in at.

It's hard to say from photos. I remember Ruiz looking very thin in photos released during camp for the Joshua rematch and then turned up grossly overweight.

[keithmoonhangover]

I am.intrugued to see what weight Fury comes in at.

It's hard to say from photos. I remember Ruiz looking very thin in photos released during camp for the Joshua rematch and then turned up grossly overweight.

I know it sounds absolutely ridiculous and I'm sure you'll laugh when I say it, but I think his arms look fat.

[KiwiRider]

I am.intrugued to see what weight Fury comes in at.

It's hard to say from photos. I remember Ruiz looking very thin in photos released during camp for the Joshua rematch and then turned up grossly overweight.

I'm interested too.
We live in an age where even a humble boxer can filter or edit his own media, and I'm sure Tyson has professional PR to some extent.

[tonyevs]

I am.intrugued to see what weight Fury comes in at.

It's hard to say from photos. I remember Ruiz looking very thin in photos released during camp for the Joshua rematch and then turned up grossly overweight.

I know it sounds absolutely ridiculous and I'm sure you'll laugh when I say it, but I think his arms look fat.

The pictures of Fury I have seen look like his arms are definitely bigger - which suggest he is doing solid training.
However that he has his shorts pulled to his armpits and dimpled rolls of fat above look like he not being too strict diet wise.

Usyk doesn't give anything away. He subtly taunts his more talkative opponents .. "Derek, I'm coming for you" or to Fury " Don't worry, I will not leave you alone".
Usyk has played up the uppercut which apparently compacted a dental insert, or broke his jaw, depending which camp you believe .. but boxers typically downplay when they are hurt - and overplay when they aren't to sucker an opponent in.

It's easier to see Usyk having more effective game plans based on skill and fitness than Furys based on size and weight.

[mickey1975]

The documentary of the first fight Undisputed is up on Netflix now.

[mickey1975]

McCann out. Pops dirty.

[Controversial]

McCann out. Pops dirty.

I wonder what his excuse will be