BoxRec

tonyevs wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 14:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 09:46

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 07:46

100% agree on the recovery, but for both Usyk and Wilder 3, the bell for the end of the round sounded at the right time. That's boxing though.

Given the battering he took from Usyk in round 9, the fact he seemed completely back to normal by the next round was pretty remarkable.

Or maybe he isnt as hurt as he looks when buzzed?

Despite the myth that says Fury is a smooth fluid boxer - the truth is, he is actually a very ungainly and awkward looking boxer. When someone that big and ungainly goes over its always going to look more dramatic.
How that initial punch seemed to deflate Fury and put him on bambi legs may have actually been as much from tiredness; he is carrying about 4st excess at least - and aside from his pedestrian like plods up Morecambe promenade with his even fatter father, he clearly skips leg day.

The bits I`ve seem him of late he looks a bigger in the arms .. but even with his shorts up to his armpits the blubber is also clear to see. Those skinny legs of his will tire mid rounds again if Usyk makes him work like he did last time.

coneye wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 17:17

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 16:14

The Docker wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 16:00
Window licker.

If that's the case, Butterbean must be fitter than Usain Bolt.

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 18:05

coneye wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 17:17

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 16:14

If that's the case, Butterbean must be fitter than Usain Bolt.

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

I understand what you're saying, but we are talking top level elite boxers. None of the great heavyweights carried that much spare weight around when they were at the top. Ali, Liston, Patterson, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Frazier, Holmes, Tunney, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Klitschkos, Walcott, Charles, Usyk.
They must have had it wrong. They would all have been a lot better if they'd just carried some extra fat around.

coneye wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 03:49

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 18:05

coneye wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 17:17

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

I understand what you're saying, but we are talking top level elite boxers. None of the great heavyweights carried that much spare weight around when they were at the top. Ali, Liston, Patterson, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Frazier, Holmes, Tunney, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Klitschkos, Walcott, Charles, Usyk.
They must have had it wrong. They would all have been a lot better if they'd just carried some extra fat around.

Yep but have you noticed how many on your list are smaller , and there are others who did carry extra weight around the belly , and boxed at the high level , Bowe , Golotto , to name two without thinking , or looking at old videos , but i do understand what your saying , i've not seen any photos of him , but would agree he should be looking at being closer to his early condition , but you have to allow for age has well ,

On a side note not having a chiseled body does'nt mean you cannot take a body shot

coneye wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 03:49

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 18:05

coneye wrote: ↑10 Dec 2024, 17:17

Probably would be over a 6 rnd fight . Known hundreds , who take 10 min to run a kilometre , but can spar a hard 6 rnds at a high pace

I understand what you're saying, but we are talking top level elite boxers. None of the great heavyweights carried that much spare weight around when they were at the top. Ali, Liston, Patterson, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Frazier, Holmes, Tunney, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano, Louis, Lewis, Klitschkos, Walcott, Charles, Usyk.
They must have had it wrong. They would all have been a lot better if they'd just carried some extra fat around.

Yep but have you noticed how many on your list are smaller , and there are others who did carry extra weight around the belly , and boxed at the high level , Bowe , Golotto , to name two without thinking , or looking at old videos , but i do understand what your saying , i've not seen any photos of him , but would agree he should be looking at being closer to his early condition , but you have to allow for age has well ,

On a side note not having a chiseled body does'nt mean you cannot take a body shot

coneye wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024, 07:52 Well i'm not going to argue with you , simply because you fundamentaly are correct , a fighter really does want to be in the best shape he can be in , theres no argument there whatso ever ,, BUT you do get fighters who cannot have the perfect shape and can fight , go the distance and take body shots regardless off there body shape , same has you have chisseled adonis type fighters who cannot take the shots .

Suppose we are discusing a certain fighter FURY , who can be better because we have seen it , but he was younger , , and regardless off his stomach size , i've never seen him hurt or dropped with a body punch , have you . but then again , if he did shed some of them love handles and fat he's shown in the past , would he be fleet footed and quick enough to make Usyk work extra hard , so you have a valid point ,

basicly i agree a really trimmed down in shape no fat Fury would be better , especielly for speed and stamina , but can a late 30's fury do that ,k i doubt it , we all get older

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:17 A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:40

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:17 A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 03:29

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:40

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:17 A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

Who did Fury look a smooth boxer against? Wlad??
You must have a very low bar (or been at the open bar too long) to think that if so. A washed up near 40 yr old champ losing an all time stinker is most peoples memory of that one.

Being a giant was good enough for best part of Furys career .. just like it was for past champs like Willard, Carnera and Valuev who's own career record so clearly resembles Furys.

Yes the judges had it close, but aside from Fury and his nuthuggers, everyone else had Usyk winning quite clearly.

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 03:29

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:40

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:17 A large part of Furys advantage over his opponents is his sheer size - it's merely this that made him a favourite over Usyk.

He isn't a smooth boxer as the myth goes, well certainly not able to be against the few competent names on his fight record. He is a very clever spoiler able to wear down opponents with his bulk.

Most athletes look younger than their age, but Fury looks a decade older. I'm sure he is doing everything he can to be in his best shape for the rematch, I just think he has done too much damage at this stage with his bad lifestyle.

This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

Who did Fury look a smooth boxer against? Wlad??
You must have a very low bar (or been at the open bar too long) to think that if so. A washed up near 40 yr old champ losing an all time stinker is most peoples memory of that one.

Being a giant was good enough for best part of Furys career .. just like it was for past champs like Willard, Carnera and Valuev who's own career record so clearly resembles Furys.

Yes the judges had it close, but aside from Fury and his nuthuggers, everyone else had Usyk winning quite clearly.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 08:31

tonyevs wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 03:29

mickey1975 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 02:40
This is the biggest myth of all. In that case anyone of his height would be unified champions. How could a non smooth boxer outbox Wlad in Germany? Not lose a second to Whyte or an in form Del (fight 2. Del took more rounds from Usyk and Vitali). He actually lost a split to Usyk clearly winning rounds and even some of the rounds he lost were very close (1-3). Usyk is a future hall of famer and incredible amateur. He openly admits Tyson is his hardest fight yet Tyson isn't a smooth boxer? You must have a very low opinion of those opponents.

Who did Fury look a smooth boxer against? Wlad??
You must have a very low bar (or been at the open bar too long) to think that if so. A washed up near 40 yr old champ losing an all time stinker is most peoples memory of that one.

Being a giant was good enough for best part of Furys career .. just like it was for past champs like Willard, Carnera and Valuev who's own career record so clearly resembles Furys.

Yes the judges had it close, but aside from Fury and his nuthuggers, everyone else had Usyk winning quite clearly.

So a non smooth boxer can be competitive with Usyk? You set a very high bar.

big lennox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 13:17 I am.intrugued to see what weight Fury comes in at.

It's hard to say from photos. I remember Ruiz looking very thin in photos released during camp for the Joshua rematch and then turned up grossly overweight.

big lennox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 13:17 I am.intrugued to see what weight Fury comes in at.

It's hard to say from photos. I remember Ruiz looking very thin in photos released during camp for the Joshua rematch and then turned up grossly overweight.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 13:30

big lennox wrote: ↑12 Dec 2024, 13:17 I am.intrugued to see what weight Fury comes in at.

It's hard to say from photos. I remember Ruiz looking very thin in photos released during camp for the Joshua rematch and then turned up grossly overweight.

I know it sounds absolutely ridiculous and I'm sure you'll laugh when I say it, but I think his arms look fat.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑13 Dec 2024, 17:41 McCann out. Pops dirty.