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Controversial wrote: ↑27 Mar 2024, 16:20

Caractacus wrote: ↑27 Mar 2024, 15:37 Was it the actuall BBC broadcast with the intro's and exits ?
it wasn't actualy the audio taken from the fight footage print that we have all seen already was it ?

Why do you believe there was a long break as no footage shows one and no newspaper article mentions one? It was just a cock and bull story to make it sound more interesting than it was.

Yeah, the "No" (i.e missing" footage is the point of the thread.
I remember previously arsking for someone there in the UK,
to track down what news reporters (and the papers they worked for)
and post at least a sample of the news stories about the fight
that appeared the next day there in the UK.

Caractacus wrote: ↑28 Mar 2024, 16:29

Controversial wrote: ↑27 Mar 2024, 16:20

Caractacus wrote: ↑27 Mar 2024, 15:37 Was it the actuall BBC broadcast with the intro's and exits ?
it wasn't actualy the audio taken from the fight footage print that we have all seen already was it ?

Why do you believe there was a long break as no footage shows one and no newspaper article mentions one? It was just a cock and bull story to make it sound more interesting than it was.

Yeah, the "No" (i.e missing" footage is the point of the thread.
I remember previously arsking for someone there in the UK,
to track down what news reporters (and the papers they worked for)
and post at least a sample of the news stories about the fight
that appeared the next day there in the UK.

Yeh but why do you believe there is missing footage, based on what?

based on the obvious splice in the film footage between the fourth and fifth rounds..

Caractacus wrote: ↑28 Mar 2024, 20:39 based on the obvious splice in the film footage between the fourth and fifth rounds..

Ok lol

Brutu wrote: ↑18 Jun 2013, 17:31 June 18 1963,Wembley Stadium London England.
(notice what happens at about 8:31 seconds into this film footage.)

the evidence here for starters.
See how the tone of the film stock changes ?

Caractacus wrote: ↑12 Sep 2016, 13:18

Brutu wrote:Go read the rather excellent book,
ONLY THE RING WAS SQUARE
written by Teddy Brenner,
the famous matchmaker of Madison Square Garden.
"Long regarded as the most astute matchmaker in the boxing buisness".
Well.Mr Brenner was sitting ringside at that particular fight in Wembley stadium in 1963(seated right next to Liz and Dick,in the front row,natch)
He writes in the book that Ali ,
"had an extra rest of maybe four minutes",
between rounds.(pp 84-85).

BTW that book (published in 1981)was a "as told to "by Barney Nagler
one of the most respected boxing writers ever.
So I dont think Barney Nagler would print something that he didn't believe to be accurate either.

(IMOP)today's Boxing writers couldn't carry Barney Nagler's 'jock-strap" !

Caractacus wrote: ↑29 Mar 2024, 14:58

Brutu wrote: ↑18 Jun 2013, 17:31 June 18 1963,Wembley Stadium London England.
(notice what happens at about 8:31 seconds into this film footage.)

the evidence here for starters.
See how the tone of the film stock changes ?

It's clear you won't accept anything as you've been arguing for 9 years on this thread just going around in circles picking holes in things or saying it's a conspiracy. So what if the video flickers or changes? What matters is the position of everyone in the video doesn't change unless you think they miraculously moved them all into the exact same positions after the fictional break lol. Read the UK newspapers of the day, no delay was mentioned.

You are using common sense. It doesn't matter to some people that there is no evidence of the extra time.
doesn't matter that Ali was up immediately.
doesn't matter that newspapers surely would have made a big deal about if it really happeened.
It's Ali. That is all that matters.

Over the years, the following have been brought up:

Somehow, he shouldn't have got the decision against Jones.
He beat Liston because Liston had a bad shoulder.
Won the second time because Liston took a dive.
Only beat Patterson because of Patterson's back injury.
Only won the first Quarry fight because Quarry got cut.
Should not have got the decision in the 2nd Norton fight.
Won the second Frazier fight because somehow that was a bad decision.
won the Foreman fight because the referee counted too fast. and the ropes were too loose.
Won the third Frazier fight because Frazier's own trainer should not have stopped the fight.
Should not have got the decision against Young.
Should not have got the decision against Norton in the third fight.
Should not have got the decision against Shavers.
Should not have got the decision against Spinks.


Probably missing a few.
The sheer creativity of explaining away his wins is the most interesting thing.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑30 Mar 2024, 10:12


doesn't matter that newspapers surely would have made a big deal about if it really happened.

They absolutely would have done as the British press always go overboard when it comes to their own sportsmen, any whiff of cheating or something fishy and it would have been big news. Add to that of newspapers are archived electronically these days so easy to get hold of, if any story like that existed it would be posted online.

Hey, I don't think so.
(IMOP)An extra minute (and 2 seconds) would not have been really
noticeable if you were sitting at ringside.(particularly after the excitement and roar of crown during the moments
just after the knock-down.
now a 3 or 4 minute delay between rounds, then one would definately start to wonder what the de-lay was about.

Caractacus wrote: ↑30 Mar 2024, 13:26 Hey, I don't think so.
(IMOP)An extra minute (and 2 seconds) would not have been really
noticeable if you were sitting at ringside.(particularly after the excitement and roar of crown during the moments
just after the knock-down.
now a 3 or 4 minute delay between rounds, then one would definately start to wonder what the de-lay was about.

Point proven then, no matter what anyone posts, even newspaper articles you wouldn't accept them. Explain why the people in the video you posted are in the same positions at the point of the video you claim is cut out and restarted?

Who here has ever posted any (English)newpapers accounts of the fight ?
that had appeared the day after anyway.

Controversial wrote: ↑30 Mar 2024, 13:35

Point proven then, no matter what anyone posts, even newspaper articles you wouldn't accept them. Explain why the people in the video you posted are in the same positions at the point of the video you claim is cut out and restarted?

what ? they were supposed to be getting out of their seats and walk around (perhaps to go get a 'hot-dog"
there at the refreshment stand during the one-minute breaks between rounds ?

Give it up caractacus you're fighting a losing battle.
There was only a 2 second delay in starting the round which of course means the break was 1 minute and 2 seconds.

Caractacus wrote: ↑30 Mar 2024, 14:53 Who here has ever posted any (English)newpapers accounts of the fight ?
that had appeared the day after anyway.

Look them up, you wouldn’t believe them anyway, can’t a mod close this thread ?

why can't you or someone find one article to scan here then ? (for all to see).
and don't be trying to scan some bias American article from the Stars and Stripes
or some newspaper like that.

Caractacus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2015, 16:06

Brutu wrote:Twenty Years after the fact Angelo Dundee Confesses!!!


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mB ... 6562970&dq

"I dont know how many minutes I gained"-Angelo Dundee(1983)


That is another good(primary) source that also backs up the late Sir Henry Cooper's claims.

That was Angelo Dundee himself , Ali's trainer and primary witness to the event.
Case Closed !

Caractacus wrote: ↑30 Mar 2024, 16:39 why can't you or someone find one article to scan here then ? (for all to see).
and don't be trying to scan some bias American article from the Stars and Stripes
or some newspaper like that.

You don’t believe them but if you want to see them look them up yourself like I did

Caractacus wrote: ↑30 Mar 2024, 16:43

Caractacus wrote: ↑13 Jul 2015, 16:06

Brutu wrote:Twenty Years after the fact Angelo Dundee Confesses!!!


http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mB ... 6562970&dq

"I dont know how many minutes I gained"-Angelo Dundee(1983)


That is another good(primary) source that also backs up the late Sir Henry Cooper's claims.

That was Angelo Dundee himself , Ali's trainer and primary witness to the event.
Case Closed !

That paper looks fake to me, 20 years after the fight lol. Look at the blurry font and edges, obviously been made badly by a scammer or by AI.

Angelo perpetrated the myth to make himself look good.
Fact is, there was a small tear in Ali's glove, Angelo put his finger in it to try and make it bigger hoping the glove would need changing. He called the ref over (hence the 2 second delay) but the ref wasn't having any of it and the contest restarted.

Cooper was interviewed once and said Ali got an extra one minute break as they had to go back to the dressing room and change his gloves. They must’ve teleported back to the dressing room in that case as Cooper obviously forgot how big Wembley Stadium is, that would’ve taken a lot longer than 60 seconds lol. Even if they had the gloves already at ringside (which they weren't) it would’ve taken longer than 60 seconds to swap them by the time the ref spoke to Ali's corner, Coopers corner, time-keeper, checked the new gloves after being fitted etc. The crowd would’ve gone crazy at any delay at that point after a heavy knockdown and all this supposedly happened with zero video proof, comment by Carpenter on the audio or a single mention in the UK press.

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yep, and someone here went off on me once for calling enry a liar about it

minimum 2 second, maximum 6 second delay depending on how you measure it. Debunked over and over and over again. Any question? No? Case Closed.

Next.......

BoxBuzz wrote: ↑31 Mar 2024, 20:15 minimum 2 second, maximum 6 second delay depending on how you measure it. Debunked over and over and over again. Any question? No? Case Closed.

Next.......

A mod should close this thread.

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