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p4p1 wrote:Let's get the facts,
McGregor walks around at an in shape 170lbs in training before a featherweight fight (confirmed by him on UFC embedded)
He cuts from around 165lbs to make FW(confirmed by a few sources)
He's not only taller than most FWs but also just as thick and sometimes thicker
Diaz is a career LW who's last fights were all at LW(confirmed by his record)
Diaz took the fight on 11 days notice
He went on record saying he agreed to fight 155 but the UFC told him to do it at 170 so he didn't have to worry about making weight
Diaz didn't spar at all leading up to the fight, which is why it took him a round or so to get some timing and distance(as confirmed by him in a post fight interview)
Neither Mac or Diaz cut weight to make 170 this is why neither looked dehydrated at the weigh in
Nate who has never been noted for his wrestling got the fight to the ground way too easily yes it was reversed but still worrying how easy that he landed that single leg
Connor landed some good shots, Nate handled it just fine
Nate landed some good shots, Connor couldn't handle it and became the very thing he accused everyone else of being... A panic wrestler
On the ground Connor seemingly gave up was it coz he was dazed or did he just genuinely give up? It created a huge contrast between Holm who fought the choke until she went out and him
If Diaz weighed slightly more than he normally does for a 155 fight that weight was just fat something that doesn't help him at all it only hinders him.
Good win for Diaz, Short notice fight huge win marketing wise and it was clear why the UFC decided on an out of shape Diaz at 170 rather than Cerrone who had just fought and was in shape and ready to make 155.

It is my opinion that the UFC is using Mac to make their good champions into genuine PPV stars. Aldo fucked it up by rushing in hands down and chin out, RDA was supposed to maul him and look like a god. Connor thinks the UFC is looking after him because he could be the best ever but they will only pretend that for so long, they're not trustworthy people at all and they'll throw him to the gutter as soon as he's done what they need him for. There's a reason why Lorenzo chucked a few hundred thousand on Aldo to win, if you genuinely believe that Mac is the next coming and you don't have another use for that then you don't bet on the other guy to win.

Impractical Poster wrote:

Lancenix wrote: No it is a perfect comparison and your comparison sucks. It is so dumb I am not responding to it. Would the fight have been different at 155. It certainly would have been to Cmac's advantage. Let us get something straight before the submission CMac cut Diaz bad and it looked good for him. That is a fact. It would have made a difference because when you cut weight it takes something out of you and the rehydration process is no picnic either. I'd like to see a rematch at 155 if CMac jumps there. You could not rule CMac out in that fight. Diaz also probably came in closer to 175 or more yesterday. It was a huge advantage. And you know it.

Do you understand why I made that comparison?

And, Nate coming in at at 155 with a full camp would have made a difference only in that Nate would have been in better shape and more prepared. They both would have had to drain and rehydrate. But, Nate would have been sharper. The rehydration weight would have been similar to what they weighed in at come fight time anyhow. If they rematch at 155, I'd be extremely comfortable picking Nate to win again. Conor is very flashy and fast. But, Nate has the better boxing fundamentals. This became apparent once Nate was able to get his timing. It just came later than usual because he was not properly prepared.

Nate spars with top boxers regularly. Same with Nick.

p4p1 wrote:So many great things have come from this fight already.
My favourite would probably be 'they all turn into panic wrestlers' referring to when he hits guys then of course he turned into one. Then the was the contrast from Holm to McGregor as Holm fought the whole way until she went unconscious and Mac tapped very quickly some people even saying(I'm not sure which way to go on this TBH) that he gave his back/neck to Diaz so he. Would stop being punched and tapped the moment it was tight. Then you had the insane McGregor fans saying he was going to fight and beat Lawaler at UFC200.

Even in some of the trash talking Diaz was able to turn some of Macs good one liners against him with things like you've only beaten midgets etc it appears though that the UFC hasn't learnt it's lesson when hyping one dimensional fighters, and this to me is greater than the fall of Rousey(I prefer McGregor to Rousey infinitely more) as the UFC set Diaz up like they never did with Holm or anyone Rousey beat. Putting Diaz on a business show so McGregor and the host could belittle him was for me a new low for the UFC, I was disgusted that they did that. They knew exactly what was going to happen, Nate isn't a smart or witty guy he was always going to look like a moron on that show and they knew it. The fight was epic though I think Nate looked worse than he was because of scar tissue but he still took McGregors best shots and when he gave his back McGregor folded.

I'm excited to see where the UFC goes with Connor now obviously they're going to talk up the point that the fight was at 170 while leaving out that Diaz is a LW who took the fight on 2 weeks notice and was happy to make the 155 limit. Personally I would like to see Aldo vs McGregor 2 the first fight was over way too quickly Aldo has beaten everyone except Mac in the division and he reigned for a long time as well. I think in another fight between the two Aldo wins as he is just so well rounded and he made a stupid mistake that I doubt he makes again. McGregor needs to fix the holes in his grappling and even his striking even while he was beating Diaz he looked very beatable tonight as he makes some basic errors that good guys can take advantage of. Have to remember that Diaz isn't particularly fast or powerful or even that great defensively he's just tough fighter.

Lancenix wrote:

Tinnie wrote:another hype job bites the dust

McGregor moved up 25 pounds in weight. Put your small weenie back in your pants. Not a surprise at all. I have been predicting this outcome since the fight was announced.

danamba7 wrote:Wow, very disappointing to see a decent thread turn into a pathetic bicker!

I'm not guna lie, I was gutted for Conor. Vastly mis-understood on this forum it seems. However I've been a fan of Diaz since TUF5 so that softened the blow a little.

Conor definitely relies on his left hand too much, this loss should make him realize that and could very well improve him. I don't understand why he's reluctant to throw a regular high kick, he's flexible enough and has great balance and timing, could be a good weapon for him.

Aldo rematch would be a good option but I do think McGregor beats him again.

Don't write off Conor at Lightweight either. RDA would be the favourite to beat him but I think Conor matches up well with the likes of Pettis and Cowboy.

Enjoyed UFC unstoppable too. A great run of fights (injuries permitting) to look forward to over the next couple of months. Especially the Jones/Cormier, Rockhold/Weidman & Cruz/Faber rematches and Khabib v El Cucuy and Rory v Thompson.

Tomasino wrote:

danamba7 wrote:Wow, very disappointing to see a decent thread turn into a pathetic bicker!

I'm not guna lie, I was gutted for Conor. Vastly mis-understood on this forum it seems. However I've been a fan of Diaz since TUF5 so that softened the blow a little.

Conor definitely relies on his left hand too much, this loss should make him realize that and could very well improve him. I don't understand why he's reluctant to throw a regular high kick, he's flexible enough and has great balance and timing, could be a good weapon for him.

Aldo rematch would be a good option but I do think McGregor beats him again.

Don't write off Conor at Lightweight either. RDA would be the favourite to beat him but I think Conor matches up well with the likes of Pettis and Cowboy.

Enjoyed UFC unstoppable too. A great run of fights (injuries permitting) to look forward to over the next couple of months. Especially the Jones/Cormier, Rockhold/Weidman & Cruz/Faber rematches and Khabib v El Cucuy and Rory v Thompson.

Explain how he is "vastly misunderstood on this forum" please

danamba7 wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

danamba7 wrote:Wow, very disappointing to see a decent thread turn into a pathetic bicker!

I'm not guna lie, I was gutted for Conor. Vastly mis-understood on this forum it seems. However I've been a fan of Diaz since TUF5 so that softened the blow a little.

Conor definitely relies on his left hand too much, this loss should make him realize that and could very well improve him. I don't understand why he's reluctant to throw a regular high kick, he's flexible enough and has great balance and timing, could be a good weapon for him.

Aldo rematch would be a good option but I do think McGregor beats him again.

Don't write off Conor at Lightweight either. RDA would be the favourite to beat him but I think Conor matches up well with the likes of Pettis and Cowboy.

Enjoyed UFC unstoppable too. A great run of fights (injuries permitting) to look forward to over the next couple of months. Especially the Jones/Cormier, Rockhold/Weidman & Cruz/Faber rematches and Khabib v El Cucuy and Rory v Thompson.

Explain how he is "vastly misunderstood on this forum" please

Thought I'd be picked up on that!

Everyone seems to bask in his failings. He seems to be strongly disliked by quite a few on here. I've been through it before, he oversteps the mark sometimes but he's been incredible at selling fights and creating interest. He's made himself, the UFC and his opponents a lot of money. He took the defeat like I knew he would. He confirmed it about 4 fights ago with the cocky in prediction, confident in preparation, humble in victory OR defeat line. To me, he's made something of himself with a mix of verbal and physical skills. Some people act as if he was gifted everything. He's demanded it.

J wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Explain how he is "vastly misunderstood on this forum" please

Thought I'd be picked up on that!

Everyone seems to bask in his failings. He seems to be strongly disliked by quite a few on here. I've been through it before, he oversteps the mark sometimes but he's been incredible at selling fights and creating interest. He's made himself, the UFC and his opponents a lot of money. He took the defeat like I knew he would. He confirmed it about 4 fights ago with the cocky in prediction, confident in preparation, humble in victory OR defeat line. To me, he's made something of himself with a mix of verbal and physical skills. Some people act as if he was gifted everything. He's demanded it.

I thought Mcgregor just got beat by a bigger guy, Nate was huge by comparison and too long for him, the first round lets not forget was pretty much in Conors favour, I thought anyway...thing is Conor kinda set himself up for the fail with all the Mayweatheresque money talk (and while we are on that topic hopefully this puts to bed any type of cross code boxing match certainly with PBF cos CM wouldn't go 4 rounds with any skilled boxer under the queensbury rules.
However it was a brave move to move up that much weight ..large at FW or not and actually he was humble and gracious in defeat.

Kudos to both men in what was a pretty entertaining ten mins or so!

Counter-puncher wrote:chat sh1t, get banged, bruv

Impractical Poster wrote:I have a feeling Conor may shape up to becoming an MMA version of Adrien Broner.

Impractical Poster wrote:I have a feeling Conor may shape up to becoming an MMA version of Adrien Broner.

Tomasino wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I have a feeling Conor may shape up to becoming an MMA version of Adrien Broner.

That's who he has been all along

danamba7 wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:I have a feeling Conor may shape up to becoming an MMA version of Adrien Broner.

That's who he has been all along

Huh? Broner was touted to become the next big boxing PPV star but didn't. Conor became everything he said he would and still holds the PPV and gate records.

Also, look at the difference in their reactions to defeat. Chalk and cheese.

Impractical Poster wrote:

danamba7 wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

That's who he has been all along

Huh? Broner was touted to become the next big boxing PPV star but didn't. Conor became everything he said he would and still holds the PPV and gate records.

Also, look at the difference in their reactions to defeat. Chalk and cheese.

Not in the PPV sense.

Look, I understand you like him, but he is extremely mouthy and disrespectful. I get that it sells. But, like even you admit, he can cross the line. He sacrifices morals for money and fame. If that's honorable to some, so be it.

However, back to comparison... Conor is effective at a lower weight, but it doesn't seem to translate at the higher weights. Same as Broner. They are both extremely disrespectful to their opponents. They are both extremely flashy in personality and fighting style. However, as far as the PPV numbers go, Conor has been brought up and managed much better than Broner had been. Conor is also smarter than Broner.

Conor is a top guy at FW, but not at LW. His last 2 losses have come from LW fighters. The Duffy fight was at LW, and even though this was technically a WW fight, Diaz is a career LW fighter.

Impractical Poster wrote:True danamba...

I think what it all boils down to is Conor wasn't ready for those Stockton slaps.;)

Impractical Poster wrote:True danamba...

I think what it all boils down to is Conor wasn't ready for those Stockton slaps.;)

jujigatame wrote:I didn't watch the card on Saturday but I think the results are good for the sport. Conor can go back down to 145 and fight Edgar like he should have to begin with, while Diaz sets himself up for a big rematch with RDA. The women's division also gets a nice shakeup with Tate/Rousey III presumably coming next.