john fury

[Fray Bentos]

Actually no, I don’t know him but would guess he feels more Romany than Irish. The way he speaks, etc. They’re very different. He tried doing the back door like Khan did in 2004.

Why would he feel more Romany than Irish when he's not Romany at all?

His Irish olympic plans fell through because he couldn't find record of his father's birth in Ireland. I'm not sure why it had to be his dad seeing as his mother was supposedly born in Belfast. I wouldn't be surprised if neither were born in Ireland to be honest.

Historically travellers didn't get birth certs . Only changing recently enough

Got a mate who is Irish-American trying to get Irish citizenship and all he had regards his granddad was a parish certificate which isn't a valid document by all accounts, but that is all a lot of people had because to register a birth with the local council (as it were...) was a days worth of travel and they could just go to the church and get some kind of baptism certificate! Causes problems all around!

[cmonyouguys]

Actually no, I don’t know him but would guess he feels more Romany than Irish. The way he speaks, etc. They’re very different. He tried doing the back door like Khan did in 2004.

Why would he feel more Romany than Irish when he's not Romany at all?

His Irish olympic plans fell through because he couldn't find record of his father's birth in Ireland. I'm not sure why it had to be his dad seeing as his mother was supposedly born in Belfast. I wouldn't be surprised if neither were born in Ireland to be honest.

Historically travellers didn't get birth certs . Only changing recently enough

Happy to hear it. Hopefully we can see similar change with regards to leaving certs too!

[mickey1975]

Actually no, I don’t know him but would guess he feels more Romany than Irish. The way he speaks, etc. They’re very different. He tried doing the back door like Khan did in 2004.

Why would he feel more Romany than Irish when he's not Romany at all?

His Irish olympic plans fell through because he couldn't find record of his father's birth in Ireland. I'm not sure why it had to be his dad seeing as his mother was supposedly born in Belfast. I wouldn't be surprised if neither were born in Ireland to be honest.

Believe what you like, he speaks Rumness. Issac Lowe, the Robshaw boys are all Romany, his pals. His wife is.

[Cyclops]

Actually no, I don’t know him but would guess he feels more Romany than Irish. The way he speaks, etc. They’re very different. He tried doing the back door like Khan did in 2004.

Why would he feel more Romany than Irish when he's not Romany at all?

His Irish olympic plans fell through because he couldn't find record of his father's birth in Ireland. I'm not sure why it had to be his dad seeing as his mother was supposedly born in Belfast. I wouldn't be surprised if neither were born in Ireland to be honest.

Believe what you like, he speaks Rumness. Issac Lowe, the Robshaw boys are all Romany, his pals. His wife is.

Billy Joe is as well, isn't he?

I thought there was some Romany in the Fury bloodline, because they're dark with the black curly hair (look at Shane's hair and Tyson's when he was younger before he lost it) but I had a look and couldn't find anything. It all says he's Irish traveller. What's Rumness? All that cor cack chav, corring mush stuff?

[Steveh583]

Actually no, I don’t know him but would guess he feels more Romany than Irish. The way he speaks, etc. They’re very different. He tried doing the back door like Khan did in 2004.

Why would he feel more Romany than Irish when he's not Romany at all?

His Irish olympic plans fell through because he couldn't find record of his father's birth in Ireland. I'm not sure why it had to be his dad seeing as his mother was supposedly born in Belfast. I wouldn't be surprised if neither were born in Ireland to be honest.

Thought his mother was romani

[mickey1975]

Why would he feel more Romany than Irish when he's not Romany at all?

His Irish olympic plans fell through because he couldn't find record of his father's birth in Ireland. I'm not sure why it had to be his dad seeing as his mother was supposedly born in Belfast. I wouldn't be surprised if neither were born in Ireland to be honest.

Believe what you like, he speaks Rumness. Issac Lowe, the Robshaw boys are all Romany, his pals. His wife is.

Billy Joe is as well, isn't he?

I thought there was some Romany in the Fury bloodline, because they're dark with the black curly hair (look at Shane's hair and Tyson's when he was younger before he lost it) but I had a look and couldn't find anything. It all says he's Irish traveller. What's Rumness? All that cor cack chav, corring mush stuff?

It’s their language. Billy Joe definitely is.

[Cyclops]

Believe what you like, he speaks Rumness. Issac Lowe, the Robshaw boys are all Romany, his pals. His wife is.

Billy Joe is as well, isn't he?

I thought there was some Romany in the Fury bloodline, because they're dark with the black curly hair (look at Shane's hair and Tyson's when he was younger before he lost it) but I had a look and couldn't find anything. It all says he's Irish traveller. What's Rumness? All that cor cack chav, corring mush stuff?

It’s their language. Billy Joe definitely is.

I got taught little bits of it by a family I used to know: chavvy means child, cor means fight, mush is a man. We were "gorgers", and that's about as much as they were prepared to teach me. They used to say "cor cack a chavvy" and "cor chukka chav" I've never had anybody properly translate any of that for me. They fought chickens so I always assumed chukka meant chicken but I'm probably way out. They used to say Gavvers as well for the police but that was normal slang for the area, it sounds like it probably came out of that language though. Only the eldest brother could speak it fluently, or come out with proper long phrases when he'd had a beer which they all thought was brilliant. Somebody showed me a 'gypsy handshake' once where we shook hands holding each other's forearms. I've never seen anybody use it so I don't know if that's bollocks or what but he was a sincere bloke so I doubt it was a wind up. None of these people were literate so none of this would ever be written down, so I suppose it changes a lot from area to area. Two things I thought were funny was how they pronounced "boil" as "bowl" and how "petrol" was pronounced with three syllable's, so "pet-a-rol." That was interesting to me because that's how Joe Joyce pronounced it in Knuckle, and he's about as Irish Traveller as you can get, not Romany. And that clipped way that Paris talks... That's sort of similar. There's a rhythm to it. Strange culture. Insular. It's not a myth about them eating hedgehogs either, because they had one in the oven one day.

[mickey1975]

Gavvers isn’t used on the north. And it’s means “People who gather evidence”.
In the North they’d “muskrer “
Loads of Joyce’s In Leeds and Manchester. Got some incredible amateur kids as well.
I know Big Joe goes on but there really is hundreds of them.

[mickey1975]

The “cor cack a chavvy” was probably “kekka, chavvy” which means shut up, behave, stop it and everything similar to that.

[Cyclops]

The “cor cack a chavvy” was probably “kekka, chavvy” which means shut up, behave, stop it and everything similar to that.

Makes sense. Like I said, it's not like you can read a book in Romany or anything so I'm just writing it phonetically as I heard it.

It would be cool to learn it, but like I said they'd only ever teach you little bits every now and again and it was when they felt like it: I wouldn't have asked, it didn't seem like the done thing, so I picked up little phrases here and there and they just occasionally took it upon themselves to teach me something. It was yonks ago.

[Steveh583]

Billy Joe is as well, isn't he?

I thought there was some Romany in the Fury bloodline, because they're dark with the black curly hair (look at Shane's hair and Tyson's when he was younger before he lost it) but I had a look and couldn't find anything. It all says he's Irish traveller. What's Rumness? All that cor cack chav, corring mush stuff?

It’s their language. Billy Joe definitely is.

I got taught little bits of it by a family I used to know: chavvy means child, cor means fight, mush is a man. We were "gorgers", and that's about as much as they were prepared to teach me. They used to say "cor cack a chavvy" and "cor chukka chav" I've never had anybody properly translate any of that for me. They fought chickens so I always assumed chukka meant chicken but I'm probably way out. They used to say Gavvers as well for the police but that was normal slang for the area, it sounds like it probably came out of that language though. Only the eldest brother could speak it fluently, or come out with proper long phrases when he'd had a beer which they all thought was brilliant. Somebody showed me a 'gypsy handshake' once where we shook hands holding each other's forearms. I've never seen anybody use it so I don't know if that's bollocks or what but he was a sincere bloke so I doubt it was a wind up. None of these people were literate so none of this would ever be written down, so I suppose it changes a lot from area to area. Two things I thought were funny was how they pronounced "boil" as "bowl" and how "petrol" was pronounced with three syllable's, so "pet-a-rol." That was interesting to me because that's how Joe Joyce pronounced it in Knuckle, and he's about as Irish Traveller as you can get, not Romany. And that clipped way that Paris talks... That's sort of similar. There's a rhythm to it. Strange culture. Insular. It's not a myth about them eating hedgehogs either, because they had one in the oven one day.

The phrase mush is derived from the romani word moosh. tho it's also used relentlessly in Portsmouth and southampton. and here its from where workers helped the passengers from France unload at the docks. Monsieur and Missieur got shortened to mush.

[mickey1975]

I never learned it. I got it from my friend from 4 years old. He didn’t teach me, I just got used to it.

[cmonyouguys]

Actually no, I don’t know him but would guess he feels more Romany than Irish. The way he speaks, etc. They’re very different. He tried doing the back door like Khan did in 2004.

Why would he feel more Romany than Irish when he's not Romany at all?

His Irish olympic plans fell through because he couldn't find record of his father's birth in Ireland. I'm not sure why it had to be his dad seeing as his mother was supposedly born in Belfast. I wouldn't be surprised if neither were born in Ireland to be honest.

Thought his mother was romani

They were saying his maternal grandmother was from Galway, and his mother born in Belfast. John got around, so one of the other brother's mothers might be romani. There's no way Tommy is 100% Irish traveller.

[RealDeal2020]

There does seem to be an awkwardness when Tyson talks about Tommy you do wonder the history is behind all that. All the brothers look comptely different as well.

[mickey1975]

Tommy is part Arab.

[JC]

Thought his mother was romani

They were saying his maternal grandmother was from Galway, and his mother born in Belfast. John got around, so one of the other brother's mothers might be romani. There's no way Tommy is 100% Irish traveller.

From my understanding big Irish traveller families have never heard of him or his roots / family. The whole fury family is a bit of mystery. Never see any mothers. Tommy looks like he’s from north Pakistan.

According to Wikipedia Tommy Fury’s mum is Mauritian.

Peter Fury said in interviews Tyson’s mum is a Burton (Hosea Burton is his cousin) and they are Welsh/English romany.

[TheGoods]

Kekka rokker mang nixy chavvy it’s the muskrers.

[Cyclops]

Kekka rokker mang nixy chavvy it’s the muskrers.

Shut up and hide quick mate It's the police?

[TheGoods]

Kekka rokker mang nixy chavvy it’s the muskrers.

Shut up and hide quick mate It's the police?

Haha. Yes bang on. Cushty mush.

[Cyclops]

They were saying his maternal grandmother was from Galway, and his mother born in Belfast. John got around, so one of the other brother's mothers might be romani. There's no way Tommy is 100% Irish traveller.

From my understanding big Irish traveller families have never heard of him or his roots / family. The whole fury family is a bit of mystery. Never see any mothers. Tommy looks like he’s from north Pakistan.

According to Wikipedia Tommy Fury’s mum is Mauritian.

Peter Fury said in interviews Tyson’s mum is a Burton (Hosea Burton is his cousin) and they are Welsh/English romany.

I used to work with loads of them (as colleagues): quite a nice bunch, for the main part. Even though it's in Africa they're basically French-speaking Indians, although one of the naturally biggest blokes I ever met was a lad from Rodrigues, which isn't the mainland but is still Mauritius. As far as I know he didn't train at all but was muscled like he was on steroids. He looked more Puerto Rican than anything else. He had the same name as me so I used to joke to people he was my little brother. I think it's pretty diverse over there culturally though so she could be anything, really.

[Cyclops]

Kekka rokker mang nixy chavvy it’s the muskrers.

Shut up and hide quick mate It's the police?

Haha. Yes bang on. Cushty mush.

[mickey1975]

Kekka rokker mang nixy chavvy it’s the muskrers.

Shut up and hide quick mate It's the police?

Haha. Yes bang on. Cushty mush.

No, “shut up and say nothing it’s the police “

[Cyclops]

Shut up and hide quick mate It's the police?

Haha. Yes bang on. Cushty mush.

No, “shut up and say nothing it’s the police “

I thought Rokker was like, a safe place or something, so that's where I got the 'hide' part?

That's the interesting thing about learning another language just by being around people, like you said. I know some of those words and the context that they're used in, so it was just a guess really. The rules of different languages are mad. I learned German at school but then got my conversational German from an Austrian girl, so my German is all effed up. It's like my English isn't how they teach it in schools abroad so when I went backpacking on my own in India and Thailand and stuff, even though the universal language amongst backpackers was English the only person nobody could understand was me: the only actual English bloke. A French guy told me he thought I was Irish when I first met him.

It's like when I told Carlos I'd somehow infiltrated this Hispanic community in London, and he thought I could speak Spanish (and this is by no means another argument I'm trying to start, just an example: I'm really tired of arguing with people on here). I've got almost literally zero Spanish, and despite how I write on here I've seen videos of myself and jeez I'm hard to understand, because I use slang and run words together and talk too fast (probably something to do with hanging out with travellers when I was a teenager) so a lot of my non-English friends have told me how I talk is part of why they like me, because they want to understand too.

[Cyclops]

According to Wikipedia Tommy Fury’s mum is Mauritian.

Peter Fury said in interviews Tyson’s mum is a Burton (Hosea Burton is his cousin) and they are Welsh/English romany.

I used to work with loads of them (as colleagues): quite a nice bunch, for the main part. Even though it's in Africa they're basically French-speaking Indians, although one of the naturally biggest blokes I ever met was a lad from Rodrigues, which isn't the mainland but is still Mauritius. As far as I know he didn't train at all but was muscled like he was on steroids. He looked more Puerto Rican than anything else. He had the same name as me so I used to joke to people he was my little brother. I think it's pretty diverse over there culturally though so she could be anything, really.

Interesting. How many dif mothers are their to John’s kids then?

It's just two, isn't it? John Jnr, Shane, Hughie and Tyson all have the same Mum. And Tommy has a different Mum. My family's more fucked up than that!

[jameswilson]

I thought Hughie was Tyson’s cousin not his brother? Or is there another Hughie?

Where does Young Fury fit in? Is he a brother or a cousin to Tyson?