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KiwiRider wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 18:42

Shhhh wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 17:10 If Joshua wins will Adam smith orgasm

Pity the extra PPV money doesn't include a "Commentary Off" feature.

That would put the price up to £29.99

I bet Josh by Dec but I'm worried about fatty lying down for a nap.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 22:43 I bet Josh by Dec but I'm worried about fatty lying down for a nap.

You and me both bro. I can only hope the ‘proud mexican’ stuff is relevant here. Problem with that is that Ruiz might use his pride to go out on his shield rather than just refusing to get stopped and plodding to a decision loss.

If AJ throws 20 punches a round because that’s all he needs to do, Ruiz might find it better for his image overall to stick out the 12 and preserve his health rather than take it to Joshua. So that’s what I’m hoping for. Sort of like a Wlad/Ibragimov type display.

I find ruiz winning inconceivable at this stage. This poll is hilarious .

I’m still saying Ruiz within 5 this time. His hands are still fast. The weight means more to Joshua than Ruiz. Ruiz will put it on him quick and with less weigh on him Joshua’s chin will be even worse

Spiker wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 05:09 I’m still saying Ruiz within 5 this time. His hands are still fast. The weight means more to Joshua than Ruiz. Ruiz will put it on him quick and with less weigh on him Joshua’s chin will be even worse

The only quick thing about Ruiz tonight will be his journey to Dunkin Baklavas after the fight.

Great artwork

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 04:33

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑06 Dec 2019, 22:43 I bet Josh by Dec but I'm worried about fatty lying down for a nap.

You and me both bro. I can only hope the ‘proud mexican’ stuff is relevant here. Problem with that is that Ruiz might use his pride to go out on his shield rather than just refusing to get stopped and plodding to a decision loss.

If AJ throws 20 punches a round because that’s all he needs to do, Ruiz might find it better for his image overall to stick out the 12 and preserve his health rather than take it to Joshua. So that’s what I’m hoping for. Sort of like a Wlad/Ibragimov type display.

I find ruiz winning inconceivable at this stage. This poll is hilarious .

It seems your to clutching at every conceivable scenario because you have a bet on Joshua to win by decision.

It was even more inconceivable for him to win the first fight. But he done it.

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 05:20

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 04:33
You and me both bro. I can only hope the ‘proud mexican’ stuff is relevant here. Problem with that is that Ruiz might use his pride to go out on his shield rather than just refusing to get stopped and plodding to a decision loss.

If AJ throws 20 punches a round because that’s all he needs to do, Ruiz might find it better for his image overall to stick out the 12 and preserve his health rather than take it to Joshua. So that’s what I’m hoping for. Sort of like a Wlad/Ibragimov type display.

I find ruiz winning inconceivable at this stage. This poll is hilarious .

It seems your to clutching at every conceivable scenario because you have a bet on Joshua to win by decision.

It was even more inconceivable for him to win the first fight. But he done it.

This isn’t the first fight .

I'm really confused about Joshuas preparation for this fight. His reduction in weight is obviously intentional and although almost 17 stones he does look slightly thin.
Before the weigh in I was convinced he'd go out and destroy Ruiz in the first few rounds. That's obviously not the plan now.
I can see Joshua moving and jabbing Ruiz to pieces with an 8 - 10 rounds stoppage , possibly a referees intervention as opposed to a knock out.
I have not fallen for the idea that Ruiz is a true world level boxer. I still believe he got lucky and that Joshua was either too confident or he had other things on his mind. As a 'former ' world champion I'd put him on a par with Leon Spinks , that is , he'll soon be forgotten.

dalcumly wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 06:48 I'm really confused about Joshuas preparation for this fight. His reduction in weight is obviously intentional and although almost 17 stones he does look slightly thin.
Before the weigh in I was convinced he'd go out and destroy Ruiz in the first few rounds. That's obviously not the plan now.
I can see Joshua moving and jabbing Ruiz to pieces with an 8 - 10 rounds stoppage , possibly a referees intervention as opposed to a knock out.
I have not fallen for the idea that Ruiz is a true world level boxer. I still believe he got lucky and that Joshua was either too confident or he had other things on his mind. As a 'former ' world champion I'd put him on a par with Leon Spinks , that is , he'll soon be forgotten.

Ruiz KOd a world class fighter in a world class performance, and prior to that lost a razor thin decision to another world class boxer, so clearly he is world class, even if he has now lost his hunger (for want of a better expression) and doesn't perform tonight.

However, if Ruiz does lose he is destined to go down as a bum who landed a lucky punch. The media and the Joshua disciples are unlikely to acknowledge the fact Ruiz hindered himself by coming in at over 20 stone for the rematch. It will all be glossed over and the result a blip. Joshua is still the greatest.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 05:12

Spiker wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 05:09 I’m still saying Ruiz within 5 this time. His hands are still fast. The weight means more to Joshua than Ruiz. Ruiz will put it on him quick and with less weigh on him Joshua’s chin will be even worse

The only quick thing about Ruiz tonight will be his journey to Dunkin Baklavas after the fight.

Why? Do you think he looked any slower at the open workout? Ruiz is fat but he beat him before with speed. Should have been unbeaten but was robbed by Parker’s judges. We will see

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 05:26

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 05:20

It seems your to clutching at every conceivable scenario because you have a bet on Joshua to win by decision.

It was even more inconceivable for him to win the first fight. But he done it.

This isn’t the first fight .

You could very well be right.

He's not fast, he's fast for a fat guy. Joe hipp 2.0

Spiker wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 07:16

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 05:12

The only quick thing about Ruiz tonight will be his journey to Dunkin Baklavas after the fight.

Why? Do you think he looked any slower at the open workout? Ruiz is fat but he beat him before with speed. Should have been unbeaten but was robbed by Parker’s judges. We will see

He has fast hands but slow feet and his feet will be even slower now he is clinically obese. The overall impression will be of an ineffective fighter on the night.

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 07:14
However, if Ruiz does lose he is destined to go down as a bum who landed a lucky punch. The media and the Joshua disciples are unlikely to acknowledge the fact Ruiz hindered himself by coming in at over 20 stone for the rematch. It will all be glossed over and the result a blip. Joshua is still the greatest.

Not at all. Holyfield walloped Buster Douglas, but all anyone remembers is that Buster didn’t train came in fat and handed the title to Holy on a plate.

MightyWarrior wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 08:42

Tuan_Jim wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 07:14
However, if Ruiz does lose he is destined to go down as a bum who landed a lucky punch. The media and the Joshua disciples are unlikely to acknowledge the fact Ruiz hindered himself by coming in at over 20 stone for the rematch. It will all be glossed over and the result a blip. Joshua is still the greatest.

Not at all. Holyfield walloped Buster Douglas, but all anyone remembers is that Buster didn’t train came in fat and handed the title to Holy on a plate.

Bit different as it wasn't Tyson sweeping him aside in a rematch. Lewis for instance is constantly referred to as someone who beat McCall and Rahman in rematches and 'defeated every man he ever faced'--that McCall was yanked out of rehab and insane, and in no condition to fight is immaterial. Lewis won the rematch and that's that. No context.

One fight I keep thinking about which I don’t think has been mentioned, and could prove similar, where a high profile champion lost the title in a huge upset, being badly knocked out, but came back to win is Terry Norris over Simon Brown. On points and one sided in the return ...Obviously Norris was a masterclass boxer, but it has a similar ring to it, because he was shockingly knocked out in the 1st fight and looked very vulnerable....

MightyWarrior wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 08:49 One fight I keep thinking about which I don’t think has been mentioned, and could prove similar, where a high profile champion lost the title in a huge upset, being badly knocked out, but came back to win is Terry Norris over Simon Brown. On points and one sided in the return ...Obviously Norris was a masterclass boxer, but it has a similar ring to it, because he was shockingly knocked out in the 1st fight and looked very vulnerable....

Brown was also much more proven and a huge puncher.

Is the Majidov vs Little fight on the Sky undercard? If not is it being shown live on YouTube anywhere?

ruiz is only a stone heavier than the first fight...not much when you are a fit 19stone anyway. nobody noticed before the weigh in.

dalcumly wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 06:48 I'm really confused about Joshuas preparation for this fight. His reduction in weight is obviously intentional and although almost 17 stones he does look slightly thin.
Before the weigh in I was convinced he'd go out and destroy Ruiz in the first few rounds. That's obviously not the plan now.
I can see Joshua moving and jabbing Ruiz to pieces with an 8 - 10 rounds stoppage , possibly a referees intervention as opposed to a knock out.
I have not fallen for the idea that Ruiz is a true world level boxer. I still believe he got lucky and that Joshua was either too confident or he had other things on his mind. As a 'former ' world champion I'd put him on a par with Leon Spinks , that is , he'll soon be forgotten.

Maybe Josh has jumped off the juice and smashed the cardio in cause he realises muscles dont win fights

MightyWarrior wrote: ↑07 Dec 2019, 08:49 One fight I keep thinking about which I don’t think has been mentioned, and could prove similar, where a high profile champion lost the title in a huge upset, being badly knocked out, but came back to win is Terry Norris over Simon Brown. On points and one sided in the return ...Obviously Norris was a masterclass boxer, but it has a similar ring to it, because he was shockingly knocked out in the 1st fight and looked very vulnerable....

It was a scintillating display of boxing by Norris in the rematch, and one that doesn't often get talked about sadly.

Ruiz discusses his weight-- all 283 pounds

Shortly after the weigh-in, Ruiz Jr. spoke with DAZN News to discuss why there was such a big discrepancy in weight. “I was already the same weight as the last fight this morning,” Ruiz explained. “I had to wait until almost 5 p.m. to get on the scale, so I already had my breakfast, lunch and dinner. I also weighed in with my sombrero and pants on, so that’s why I came in so heavy. It was a psychological thing as well.”

Ruiz suggested that he wanted to keep the Joshua camp guessing when it came to his weight and feels that he was successful in doing so with Friday’s weigh-in. He also promised that the attributes that were there in the first fight would be present for the rematch. As for Joshua coming in 10 pounds lighter than he did in the first fight at 237 pounds, Ruiz is unsure what it will mean on fight night.

“It could be good or not,” he said. “We don’t know if he’s still going to have that same pop in his punches. It could be a disadvantage, which is why I decided to come in a little heavier in this fight. I can move him around, be a little bit stronger and have more pop in my punches.”

Ruiz did notice a difference in the eyes of Joshua from the first time they stared each other down ahead of their June 1st fight compared to now. “He definitely has more focus, and he’s not talking as much,” Ruiz said. “I don’t know what he really feels inside. He might say to himself that he’s ready for this, but everybody has a plan until they get hit. But all fighters have to show that they are confident, so we’ll see what it all means on fight night.”

Admittedly, Ruiz is far more carefree than most boxers. Always smiling and often looking as if he’s just happy to be there has always been part of his persona. However, one thing that he wouldn’t joke about is the idea that he’d allow Joshua to hold his world titles like Joshua did for him ahead of the first fight. “F— no!” Ruiz exclaimed. “I was actually the one who asked him if I could see his belts the first time, and he let me hold them. We were both respecting each other, but it was always just fun psychological stuff for me, you know?”

It’s clear that Ruiz enjoys the mind games heading into the rematch. But whether fans question his lighthearted personality or how much he weighs doesn’t matter to him. The only thing that matters is that he returns to the United States and Mexico carrying the very world titles he brought to Saudi Arabia with him to defend.

“It means a lot for me to bring those titles back home,” he said. “Still, to this day, I have so many doubters who refuse to give me the credit I deserve for beating Anthony Joshua. They have said he wasn’t ready, or he had a mental breakdown. That won’t happen this time around. All of the pressure is on him now, and I’m going to die trying to get that victory.”