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Gobbles do you work in boxing?

I fully expect Sky to up their game with their boxing coverage and kick allegedly into touch.

Why was the Degale fight cancelled has there been any valid reason given?

danfoster wrote:

earsjohn wrote:

JamesH wrote:I'm not surprised at all. I'm more surprised that it's causing a surprise. There is a saying relating to leopards with acne that would seem relevant here. In the last 6 or 7 years, I’ve lost well over 6 months worth of subs when I’ve had tickets to events which officially changed weeks after rumours appeared on here, but usually just days before the event. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice….

Oh indeed. I'm disappointed, but not in the slightest bit surprised. When I paid my money, I did so reasoning that as a paying customer, it gave me the right to comment on the service provided.

To a degree, but there are some highly litigious people who read these pages and so i would urge you to be very careful in how you seek to exercise that right to comment.

I'm very careful to state facts as facts and make them distinct from opinion. I am disappointed at the lack of engagement from allegedly since encyrption (opinion). There are only 3 cards scheduled for December, 2 of which happened on the first weekend of encryption but the channel was sold as two live cards a week (fact).

I recognise that sometimes things go wrong and cards get pulled, altered, cancelled and it can't always be helped. But with a limited pool of fighters to choose from, there is a higher chance of cancellation. So the Echo card has been cancelled due to "unforeseen circumstances" according to an email I've just received from BN? What does that mean? If it's an injury, then say so, but "unforeseen circumstances" is too vague an explanation for a paying customer, in my opinion, of course!

gobbles wrote:

iamasadlittleboy wrote:I called it at the end of November but it was obvious they couldn't survive without bringing in international cards. Had they snapped up the Kameda card on Wednesday they'd have had SOMETHING but instead it's going down the crapper. I'm sorry for all the folks who paid into this crap.

Bunce...you should be ashamed.

What a load of crap. How can you judge six months on two weeks?
Why not criticise Sky for Klitschko and Nigel Wright pulling out?
Fights fall apart, it's the nature of the business. And with Sky having snapped up a lot of the big cards this month, plus Christmas, there was less available to go around.

I am judging WAITING until February to sign up to the subscription. It was obvious December was being sold on 1 night, their was NOTHING signed up for January or onwards. People who were signing up were going into it "blind" so to speak, with little knowledge of what was to come, which was a mistake by EVERYONE who signed up. You do not sign up to something unless you know what you will get, "2 cards a week" was one of the promises though already seems to have been a lie, did they even have 8 cards arranged for December?
I would criticise Sky if they were selling their entire subscritpion solely on boxing then claiming to be the "new home of boxing".

Your right their was less to go around, but we've had 2 cards this week (the Russian one with Provodnikov v Corley and the Japanese one with the Kameda's) no British TV station snapped up either of them, which (especially in the Japanese card) was a shame. Don't defend the channel on the fact that Sky snapped up the big cards when a number of lesser cards that would appeal to the hardcore fans have been ignored. The channel tried to lure us with Cotto v Margarito II and had little else to fall back on for the month, DeGale and Saunders in matches they are expected to walk over aren't good enough anyway (even if they happened).

People can comment on this channel if they paid or not. For the record I got it in virgin cancelling at end if month will subscribe again in February as there no fights worth paying for in January at present!

King Geedorah wrote:

leforge wrote:People can comment on this channel if they paid or not. For the record I got it in virgin cancelling at end if month will subscribe again in February as there no fights worth paying for in January at present!

I'm not saying they can't. But if people judge it on a day-by-day basis this thread will hit 40+ pages of pure tedium by early May and at least 7 people will have killed themselves.

The while December 9th show was a farce from day one announcing at excel but bit actually having venue booked. Then moving to Liverpool groves pulling out! Then fight postponed to end January no reason given! Think people are judging it because they had to subscribe 6 months in advance!

leforge wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:

leforge wrote:People can comment on this channel if they paid or not. For the record I got it in virgin cancelling at end if month will subscribe again in February as there no fights worth paying for in January at present!

I'm not saying they can't. But if people judge it on a day-by-day basis this thread will hit 40+ pages of pure tedium by early May and at least 7 people will have killed themselves.

The while December 9th show was a farce from day one announcing at excel but bit actually having venue booked. Then moving to Liverpool groves pulling out! Then fight postponed to end January no reason given! Think people are judging it because they had to subscribe 6 months in advance!

And, to be fair to us complainers, we were being asked (told) to sign up on the basis of the quality of fights over the two month free period and the strength of the december offering.

If allegedly fails over the opening couple of months, it's may become irrelevant what happens come May as the whole venture will surely have run out of money?

Sorry disagree if people want to complain about poor schedule they going to least it's in one thread not several new ones daily! Meanwhile hardly any non hardcore fans even know the channel exists not good sign!

Anne Robinson would fornicate any of these guys up she doesn't fornicate about

Barry Took would smash it.

The Dark Destroyer wrote:

King Geedorah wrote:

The Dark Destroyer wrote: X2.

Childish comment.

He is a little boy

I signed up. I'm going to judge it on the six month period and not before. We're not football writers on this forum. We don't switch our title prediction every time a team wins a game or drops a point.

Those who have signed, judge it in May, thos who haven't, judge it in may. Bide your time, suavely weigh it up then ram your dosh home like gentlemen.

I really can't shake the feeling that if this was a channel by another promoter some on this thread would be singing a different tune, and that they would be being heralded as the saviour of the sport.

As for this month, cards fall apart all the time. I feel like I owe them a tenner for what they've already given us for free. I would like to see more from them on the old fight front, FW has been in the game a long time, there must be a lot to show.

January isn't going to be the best month, it never is for boxing in general. The only way a channel like this will get anywhere is if we, the fan,s support it. It could be better, but lets be honest, we're a week in to a complete boxing channel. It needs time to grow. The ultimate aim, in my opinion, is to have all the top UK promoters on one channel, this channel isn't going to be that, but it's a start.

No if it were another promoter it would be exactly the same, the only reason it's garnered even more attention is because he has the biggest stable in the UK ... From my perspective who runs the channel is irrelevant.

Your idea regarding old fights is a sensible one- but the guys running things don't appear to have the foresight to even consider these things. In the time I've taken to write this I've thought about 4-5 different things they could do to replace the live shows.

Customer service/care is irrelevant and that's the case with nearly every boxing promoter- have you never been to a boxing show. I do believe a change is coming- it simply has to....

'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent, but the most responsive to change'

The sports changed, the promoters haven't. Not enough anyway.

I disagree with a lot of the comments. Earsjohn, I think you've raised some excellent points throughout this thread. However, you do not need to pay to be a judge of the channel. Though not a customer, I was interested in the situation of the failed banks during the crisis as it affected the broader economy. I may not be a customer of the b o x nation channel, but it's existance in huge in terms of boxing news and in terms of how it may eventually alter the landscape of the sport as a whole, certainly domestically.

Terry, respectfully disagreeing with you here sir. If a contractor joined a firm on a six month contract but showed incompetence (or less than he had advertised) after a couple of weeks, he'd get judged on that and appropriately booted out. Of course subscribers can't boot the channel as yet, and non subscribers can only continue the silent protest of not subscribing. However, I don't think there is a reason to not comment on it at this early stage, as it would be equally valid to heap praise on the channel it were earned.

A question I've pondered is whether I want it to work? It depends. If there were more promoters involved and a wider collection of stables signed up, then yes I probably would. However the current business model would indicate to me that success could lead to other promoters (uk or otherwise) beginning similar ventures and you could end up with a mulititude of subscriptions all costing "the equivalent of a pint a week", at which point it becomes the cost of a massive weekend session every week!

King Geedorah wrote:

JamesH wrote:I disagree with a lot of the comments. Earsjohn, I think you've raised some excellent points throughout this thread. However, you do not need to pay to be a judge of the channel. Though not a customer, I was interested in the situation of the failed banks during the crisis as it affected the broader economy. I may not be a customer of the b o x nation channel, but it's existance in huge in terms of boxing news and in terms of how it may eventually alter the landscape of the sport as a whole, certainly domestically.

Terry, respectfully disagreeing with you here sir. If a contractor joined a firm on a six month contract but showed incompetence (or less than he had advertised) after a couple of weeks, he'd get judged on that and appropriately booted out. Of course subscribers can't boot the channel as yet, and non subscribers can only continue the silent protest of not subscribing. However, I don't think there is a reason to not comment on it at this early stage, as it would be equally valid to heap praise on the channel it were earned.

A question I've pondered is whether I want it to work? It depends. If there were more promoters involved and a wider collection of stables signed up, then yes I probably would. However the current business model would indicate to me that success could lead to other promoters (uk or otherwise) beginning similar ventures and you could end up with a mulititude of subscriptions all costing "the equivalent of a pint a week", at which point it becomes the cost of a massive weekend session every week!

I don't think the analogy holds to honest. If he joined only for the materials to not show up then he'd have a point. As I said, January is quiet but tends to gather pace as the move ticks on. Murray/Cotto bill was one I'd have paid £15 for and there's Gennady Golovkin tonight so I'm happy with that and what we've got on Sky tomorrow night. It looks like the workman advertised a job using British materials but in this case the materials didn't arrive so he got some from the continent, which is fair enough.

Remember that old employment maxim: They lied to me about the job, I lied to get the job, now we're even.

I'm watching more live boxing than I have done for quite some time so it is working out at my end.

Fair point. I'd argue that he'd hold some responsible if he had known about the materials not arriving before he took the role. The continental analogy is a good one, but to alter it slightly, I think it would be more like him documenting everything in French. That's superb for those who hired him for his English but were never the less interested in reading in French. If however the paymasters were largely English speakers who wanted the work in English as had been agreed..... I guess the argument could be tweaked and bounced around either way based on the underlying opinion of the individual. Mine is obviously more negative.

Perhaps its more a reflection of attitudes to the traditional PPV model? I haven't seen many fights in the schedule that would tempt me to buy it PPV.....

Of course, I understand the cancellation of the fight is not the fault of the channel - as far as we know - which isn't very far in this case to be honest. But of course, cancellations can happen to any promoter. It's just that the other promoters are on channels which offer a wider output than just boxing, so can cope with it better. If a couple of b o x nation events fail, thats the monthly output of original content pretty much halved. It is why I think £10 is too much in its current form.

Definitely agree with that last point. I'm also seeing more live boxing than I ever have.

JamesH wrote:I disagree with a lot of the comments. Earsjohn, I think you've raised some excellent points throughout this thread. However, you do not need to pay to be a judge of the channel. Though not a customer, I was interested in the situation of the failed banks during the crisis as it affected the broader economy. I may not be a customer of the b o x nation channel, but it's existance in huge in terms of boxing news and in terms of how it may eventually alter the landscape of the sport as a whole, certainly domestically.

Terry, respectfully disagreeing with you here sir. If a contractor joined a firm on a six month contract but showed incompetence (or less than he had advertised) after a couple of weeks, he'd get judged on that and appropriately booted out. Of course subscribers can't boot the channel as yet, and non subscribers can only continue the silent protest of not subscribing. However, I don't think there is a reason to not comment on it at this early stage, as it would be equally valid to heap praise on the channel it were earned.

A question I've pondered is whether I want it to work? It depends. If there were more promoters involved and a wider collection of stables signed up, then yes I probably would. However the current business model would indicate to me that success could lead to other promoters (uk or otherwise) beginning similar ventures and you could end up with a mulititude of subscriptions all costing "the equivalent of a pint a week", at which point it becomes the cost of a massive weekend session every week!

I actually like your analogy, but each to their own.

I didn't mean to imply that without paying you have no voice. I agree that it is a big change to the boxing landscape in this country and that is why people are so interested, even at this early stage. Anyone who is interested enough in Boxing to sign up to this forum clearly is interested in the sport and has a right to express an opinion.

My current dissatisfaction is with the lack of communication, the dismissive rolling out of the "unforeseen circumstances" line and the current schedule compared to the sneering arrogance exhibited by some unofficial allegedly employees, on this thread, in the run up to encryption. If you talk the talk, walk the walk, etc and so on.

Even though I have not subscribed and have no intention of doing so, I think seeing as the Channel is 'up and running' and some of you have subscribed, it's probably wise to give it a few months before getting upset at the cancellations or lack of 'activity'. You have committed to it, so may as well give it a chance, eh?

Agreed some of the 'PR' done in this thread by some Allegedly employees is pretty shocking but its about choices.

bengulnaci1 wrote:Even though I have not subscribed and have no intention of doing so, I think seeing as the Channel is 'up and running' and some of you have subscribed, it's probably wise to give it a few months before getting upset at the cancellations or lack of 'activity'. You have committed to it, so may as well give it a chance, eh?

Agreed some of the 'PR' done in this thread by some Allegedly employees is pretty shocking but its about choices.

Virgin subscribers only pay on a month to month basis, so a poor short term schedule is likely to have a direct impact on the numbers of subscribers.

King Geedorah wrote:Only problem is my woman shouted at me the other night for watching too much boxing, and she never shouts at me. I may have to lay my pimp hand down on her.

You go get 'em King G

King Geedorah wrote:

JamesH wrote:

King Geedorah wrote: I don't think the analogy holds to honest. If he joined only for the materials to not show up then he'd have a point. As I said, January is quiet but tends to gather pace as the move ticks on. Murray/Cotto bill was one I'd have paid £15 for and there's Gennady Golovkin tonight so I'm happy with that and what we've got on Sky tomorrow night. It looks like the workman advertised a job using British materials but in this case the materials didn't arrive so he got some from the continent, which is fair enough.

Remember that old employment maxim: They lied to me about the job, I lied to get the job, now we're even.

I'm watching more live boxing than I have done for quite some time so it is working out at my end.

Fair point. I'd argue that he'd hold some responsible if he had known about the materials not arriving before he took the role. The continental analogy is a good one, but to alter it slightly, I think it would be more like him documenting everything in French. That's superb for those who hired him for his English but were never the less interested in reading in French. If however the paymasters were largely English speakers who wanted the work in English as had been agreed..... I guess the argument could be tweaked and bounced around either way based on the underlying opinion of the individual. Mine is obviously more negative.

Perhaps its more a reflection of attitudes to the traditional PPV model? I haven't seen many fights in the schedule that would tempt me to buy it PPV.....

Of course, I understand the cancellation of the fight is not the fault of the channel - as far as we know - which isn't very far in this case to be honest. But of course, cancellations can happen to any promoter. It's just that the other promoters are on channels which offer a wider output than just boxing, so can cope with it better. If a couple of b o x nation events fail, thats the monthly output of original content pretty much halved. It is why I think £10 is too much in its current form.

Definitely agree with that last point. I'm also seeing more live boxing than I ever have.

Was the workman employed for his English writing skills or for his trade? Because bringing in the foreign items, IE fights/bills, still means we get what we want and we don't need a translator to figureout what's going on in a boxing ring, well some do but not us two.

In fact, and whisper it, but I prefer this bill to the scheduled DeGale fight. As for the rest of the analogy, what kind of contractor builds in French? Not many people are going to say, "I don't want this building work, it is written in French!" No offence but what kind of contractors have you been using?! On the other hand, I'm not one to talk as I was sacked from two building site jobs

I'm going to give it until May. Sky lost two shows last month and I pay them a huge amount of money per year for dedicated sports channels that only really care about one or two sports, and boxing isn't one of them. I don't mean this as a slight on the Sky boxing team, they're great, but football is the be all and end all to Sky, everything else is built around it. You're On Sky Sports a case in point, the title suggests a sporting talk show, the reality is anything but.

Anyway, I've said my piece and we're probably going to go around in circles. I don't support streaming fights, never have, well once or twice, and never will so that isn't an option for me. This is and I'm enjoying it. Only problem is my woman shouted at me the other night for watching too much boxing, and she never shouts at me. I may have to lay my pimp hand down on her.

Haha think you assumed it was a building contractor. I once worked for a political party, they paid a huge IT company to develop a system to record voter intentions nationwide following updates from the doorsteppers. Develop the system the huge company did, only trouble was that the team assigned were French and all the comments in the code were in French as were the naming conventions and anything else they were involved with. I arrived a few weeks later and my job was to make sense of it all. And yep, I was a contractor

Agree about Sky, and a real benefit of the new channel is that Sky seem to have refocused a little on the boxing side of things. Still largely insignificant to them though.

Yep getting hassle from er indoors myself. Something has got to give. I'm trying to find her alternative accomodation

earsjohn wrote:I actually like your analogy, but each to their own.

I didn't mean to imply that without paying you have no voice. I agree that it is a big change to the boxing landscape in this country and that is why people are so interested, even at this early stage. Anyone who is interested enough in Boxing to sign up to this forum clearly is interested in the sport and has a right to express an opinion.

My current dissatisfaction is with the lack of communication, the dismissive rolling out of the "unforeseen circumstances" line and the current schedule compared to the sneering arrogance exhibited by some unofficial Allegedly channel employees, on this thread, in the run up to encryption. If you talk the talk, walk the walk, etc and so on.

Agree with you mate.

Cardiff-Lad1 wrote:Any ideas why Selby vs Simpson is not on Allegedly channel?? Since Selby is now promoted by Warren following his win over Smith.....

Its down on the Sky sports schedule.

. On allegedly now sky cancelled according to Warren but funny how same day as Liverpool cancelled sky cancel Simpson v Selby! Who to believe!!

I'm watching tonights show , not great so far.

But i also think with time the production in the studio will get better. Mark Tibbs is doing co-commentary tonight, he's given some honest opinions which is something that is missing on other channels.

Old bones Ian wrote:I'm watching tonights show , not great so far.

But i also think with time the production in the studio will get better. Mark Tibbs is doing co-commentary tonight, he's given some honest opinions which is something that is missing on other channels.

Your one of the few who is!

leforge wrote:Gobbles do you work in boxing?

He definitely does, under the long arm of FW I think.

I'll probably subscribe in Feb, January is sure to be a slow month for boxing.

leforge wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:I'm watching tonights show , not great so far.

But i also think with time the production in the studio will get better. Mark Tibbs is doing co-commentary tonight, he's given some honest opinions which is something that is missing on other channels.

Your one of the few who is!

I do get the feeling its me, Bunce, Lillis and Tibbs tonight.

Get to see some bits you usually wouldn't, Wladimir is just getting his boxer of the year award.