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SNG wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

crusader wrote:Did anyone on the Sky team have Frampton winning?

I'm interested in this question as well, BBC radio had it a shut out for Frampton.

Really? I'm not sure how they gave him all the round from 8-11.

Sorry wrong term, they had him by about 4 rnds I think.

I'm with you. It was a funny fight, Frampton won when nothing was happening, when they actually got down to it Scott was on top, except the twelfth where Frampton rallied well after a tough 11th. I want the rematch, at this weight I'm more convinced now that Scott can get him out of there.

Nightmare Roy wrote:Well I can't comment until I have seen the fight, but 99% of people seem to think Frampton breezed it.

He didn't.

He was actually pretty unimpressive. He relied on Quigg freaking out and doing nothing.

Horse wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:Well I can't comment until I have seen the fight, but 99% of people seem to think Frampton breezed it.

He didn't.

He was actually pretty unimpressive. He relied on Quigg freaking out and doing nothing.

Frampton is an excellent counter puncher but he seems to fade late. He was the same against Martinez in the first fight until he found that straight right hand in the ninth. If Quigg had forced things early I reckon he would've copped it. It was a strange start and not the way I expected things to go. I think it would be a better fight at featherweight. Both guys should move up now.

Nightmare Roy wrote:

crusader wrote:Did anyone on the Sky team have Frampton winning?

I'm interested in this question as well, BBC radio had it a shut out for Frampton.

use ur own eyes n judge the fight.

crusader wrote:Did anyone on the Sky team have Frampton winning?

From what I can gather Halling, Mcrory and Nelson all thought Frampton won clearly.
Watt and Froch had it a draw.

People Will no doubt slate them for having it a draw, but I won't as I had Frampton winning by a single round.

manchester-mexican wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:

crusader wrote:Did anyone on the Sky team have Frampton winning?

I'm interested in this question as well, BBC radio had it a shut out for Frampton.

use ur own eyes n judge the fight.

I will as soon as some nice chap puts it on YouTube

My take for what its worth......

I genuinely believe he was following his trainers plan and at the end of the day it didn't work. Quigg was as shocked as anyone when he was told he was down which says to me he was just following orders and thinking he was doing ok. Yes he should have known it himself but when everything in the past has gone pretty much to plan I think he was just doing exactly what he was told in the hope that his trainer had it right (ie following the plan)

He reminds me of someone who would excel in the army, follows orders to the tee and doesn't deviate at all.

I think Gallagher should feel responsible for the fight in the main, though of course Quigg could have gone against him at any time.

I also think he would win if they fought again, if only, if only, he would have done more in the first half of the fight...Gallagher should have seen the fight ebbing away from them but he didn't.

At the end of the day they got it wrong, Quigg was never troubled in the fight (AND he had a broken jaw) yet he still didn't win.

I feel a bit sorry for him if I'm honest, its a fight he could have won.

If they fought 10 times frampton would win 9. He's just a better fighter that's the top and bottom of it. He won the fight in 3rd gear really. Yes it's clear he does fade towards the end of fights but if quigg had opened up earlier I reckon frampton would have landed cleaner shots to stop him in his tracks.

Quigg is a good fighter but isn't as good as frampton it's really that simple.

It was a disappointing fight but frampton did what he needed to do and looked adaptable. Quigg did nothing and only has one way of fighting, albeit an effective way against 90% of super bantams.

Oh and Gallagher was shown up a little bit in this fight. Very good trainer but not in this fight

If Quigg started fast, made it a high tempo from the first bell, he would've won imo - Frampton was blowing in the last few rounds (give massive credit to his performance in the last round tho!)

Webbo911 wrote:

wesshaw1985 wrote:

Webbo911 wrote:
He flattens Tony Dodson.

Won't fight Callum Johnson as they have the same trainer.

Tom Baker is a 50/50, slightly favour Burton at this point.

Haven't seen Heffron fight.

He doesn't beat Ajisafe now or in the future unless he massively improves.

looks like Baker and Heffron are the fights to make then, get a few defences of that British Title...

Baker fight won't happen unless he's made mandatory. Who's Heffron promoted by? Is he any good?

Buglioni is a fight I'd like to see

Horse wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:Well I can't comment until I have seen the fight, but 99% of people seem to think Frampton breezed it.

He didn't.

He was actually pretty unimpressive. He relied on Quigg freaking out and doing nothing.

He was unimpressive, but did what he needed to do to pick up the rounds.

Batley18 wrote:He was unimpressive, but did what he needed to do to pick up the rounds.

Not on everyone's card.

Quigg was more negative and deservedly gets most of the blame for the awful early rounds, but Frampton didn't do a great deal himself and could easily have been losing some of those tedious and close early rounds on the judges' scorecards.

Horse wrote:

Batley18 wrote:He was unimpressive, but did what he needed to do to pick up the rounds.

Not on everyone's card.

Quigg was more negative and deservedly gets most of the blame for the awful early rounds, but Frampton didn't do a great deal himself and could easily have been losing some of those tedious and close early rounds on the judges' scorecards.

I personally couldn't make a case for Quigg winning that fight. I felt that Frampton was doing enough, and perhaps he and the corner felt the same. The punch stats show that Frampton was throwing more, but not landing a lot. He was generally winning those early rounds by landing a few jabs and the rest hitting gloves.

Isn't this another Eubank/Saunders scenario and discussion. If Quigg picked it up earlier, he may have run out of gas or he could have been caught and stopped himself. Had he started faster, Frampton would have had to react and there is no way of knowing how that would turn out.

Also Quigg put in a couple strong rounds and after that, in the 12th, it was Frampton who looked fresher and came on stronger which lends weight to an argument that Quigg would not have lasted too long at a fast pace before the superior fighter took over.

Batley18 wrote:I personally couldn't make a case for Quigg winning that fight. I felt that Frampton was doing enough, and perhaps he and the corner felt the same. The punch stats show that Frampton was throwing more, but not landing a lot. He was generally winning those early rounds by landing a few jabs and the rest hitting gloves.

I'm not sure that I completely believe those punch stats.

I think some of Frampton's feints were counted as "punches thrown", maybe not though.

I thought Quigg landed the better power shots in some of the early rounds and that made up for his lack of volume, but I think I don't respect jabs as much as most people when scoring rounds.

Horse wrote:

Batley18 wrote:He was unimpressive, but did what he needed to do to pick up the rounds.

Not on everyone's card.

Quigg was more negative and deservedly gets most of the blame for the awful early rounds, but Frampton didn't do a great deal himself and could easily have been losing some of those tedious and close early rounds on the judges' scorecards.

Indeed. And according to one judge, Frampton actually was losing those early rounds.

Did Frampton fade or was it the fact Quigg pulled the finger out after about the 8th,i had Carl the clear winner but he pot shotted all night like a lot the Cubans who get booed out arenas all over America

Strange i had it 117-113 Frampton including a couple of even rounds,if i gave them to Quigg then its only 1 round from a draw

Im not exagerrating but its 1of the worst title fights ive ever seen

fightfan95 wrote:If Quigg started fast, made it a high tempo from the first bell, he would've won imo - Frampton was blowing in the last few rounds (give massive credit to his performance in the last round tho!)

There seems to be a lot of people who share your opinion. In fact some are talking like tit's a foregone conclusion that Quigg would have won had he started faster.

Had he engaged quicker, with a fresher Frampton, who's to say he wouldn't have got beat all the same, totally different fight.
Of course this is not any kind of defence of the shocking tactics he did display in the first half of the fight. Just saying, let's not make assumptions based on what happened in the second half, the fight could have panned out a totally different way had he started fast trying to bully and walk through Carl

davie wrote:

fightfan95 wrote:If Quigg started fast, made it a high tempo from the first bell, he would've won imo - Frampton was blowing in the last few rounds (give massive credit to his performance in the last round tho!)

There seems to be a lot of people who share your opinion. In fact some are talking like tit's a foregone conclusion that Quigg would have won had he started faster.

Had he engaged quicker, with a fresher Frampton, who's to say he wouldn't have got beat all the same, totally different fight.
Of course this is not any kind of defence of the shocking tactics he did display in the first half of the fight. Just saying, let's not make assumptions based on what happened in the second half, the fight could have panned out a totally different way had he started fast trying to bully and walk through Carl

All opinions I guess, your right it could have panned out the same way, guess we'll never find out now.

I just feel based on the last few rounds if he had thrown a bit early he could have nicked it

But you're right, we just don't know

Horse wrote:

Batley18 wrote:I personally couldn't make a case for Quigg winning that fight. I felt that Frampton was doing enough, and perhaps he and the corner felt the same. The punch stats show that Frampton was throwing more, but not landing a lot. He was generally winning those early rounds by landing a few jabs and the rest hitting gloves.

I'm not sure that I completely believe those punch stats.

I think some of Frampton's feints were counted as "punches thrown", maybe not though.

I thought Quigg landed the better power shots in some of the early rounds and that made up for his lack of volume, but I think I don't respect jabs as much as most people when scoring rounds.

That is fair enough. I agree that those stats did look a bit off, and that Quigg certainly landed the better power shots. It is interesting to know what a judge considers to weight up against a power shot. Three jabs, five jabs etc. One of the main issues that boxing has is that the scoring is very much down to personal interpretation.

davie wrote:

fightfan95 wrote:If Quigg started fast, made it a high tempo from the first bell, he would've won imo - Frampton was blowing in the last few rounds (give massive credit to his performance in the last round tho!)

There seems to be a lot of people who share your opinion. In fact some are talking like tit's a foregone conclusion that Quigg would have won had he started faster.

Had he engaged quicker, with a fresher Frampton, who's to say he wouldn't have got beat all the same, totally different fight.
Of course this is not any kind of defence of the shocking tactics he did display in the first half of the fight. Just saying, let's not make assumptions based on what happened in the second half, the fight could have panned out a totally different way had he started fast trying to bully and walk through Carl

Frampton was happy to just throw jabs because Quigg was doing very little. As the fight went on Quigg threw more because he knew he had screwed it all up. Had the fight been an active one from the first bell, I personally feel that Frampton would have won anyway as I think he is better. The great thing about this match up was that it was split 50/50 on opinion, but it delieverd very little.

Often big fights, where there is a lot of pressure pressure where the have a lot of respect end up like this.
These are fights where you have have have have battle.

In think Quigg was freaked out by the pressure of the match in the early rounds. Mind you Frampton didn't look that active either.

I also think it was another big fight syndrome, where two fighters no there is so much to lose if they get Ko'd so are very tentative, almost have a mental 'agreement' to have a cagey fight...

Often this can result in a rematch and neither fighter loses much standing. It seem to be a big syndrome in the last 10 years

I do think people are reading too much into Quigg's late success. As the saying goes if you're auntie had balls she'd be you're uncle. Changing one guy's performance and assuming the other guy doesn't respond is fantasy boxing not reality. If Quigg does come on faster earlier then there is every chance that Frampton gets more chance to actually pick him off earlier. Selective memory dictates that people ignore their own comments about how Frampton tired. So how can it be assumed that a fresh Frampton is as easy for Quigg to hit? Equally the assumption is that Quigg got a chance to fight when he woke up, maybe, just maybe Frampton made a tactical mistake by not sticking to his tactics. In another fight Frampton might well change his game plan, get to land more early and then skip away and not engage in the second half. Who knows? What we do know is that Frampton got the win and nothing more than that unless they fight again.