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Counter-puncher wrote:Reminds me of the arum line about how its just that he was lying yesterday but today he's telling the truth, 'yes I was wrong that time I passionately insisted I was right, but wasn't- the difference is, this time I'm right'

Horse wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:Joshua would destroy Fury tomorrow.

Why? Because he can smash up a bunch of chumps?

No, because he is a lot better.

Would you need Joshua to fight Christian Hammer, Joey Abell and a past-it Chisora to make you think he was 'ready'?

I'm convinced there is a band of people picking Fury who are doing so as a form of snobbishness. 'Harumph, look at that clueless layman in front of the pub TV saying how Joshua will smash everyone, despite it clearly being too soon to tell as he is so untested! I must differentiate from them and assert my superior boxing knowledge by confidently backing Fury!'

Riddick Blowe wrote:No, because he is a lot better.

Would you need Joshua to fight Christian Hammer, Joey Abell and a past-it Chisora to make you think he was 'ready'?

I'm convinced there is a band of people picking Fury who are doing so as a form of snobbishness. 'Harumph, look at that clueless layman in front of the pub TV saying how Joshua will smash everyone, despite it clearly being too soon to tell as he is so untested! I must differentiate from them and assert my superior boxing knowledge by confidently backing Fury!'

Many of the same clowns were saying the same about David Price.

A lot of people seem to go weak at the knees when they see a tall, muscular man with a lot of power.

Joshua hasn't even beaten anyone as good as Thompson or Teper yet, he could well get exposed in similar fashion.

Horse wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:No, because he is a lot better.

Would you need Joshua to fight Christian Hammer, Joey Abell and a past-it Chisora to make you think he was 'ready'?

I'm convinced there is a band of people picking Fury who are doing so as a form of snobbishness. 'Harumph, look at that clueless layman in front of the pub TV saying how Joshua will smash everyone, despite it clearly being too soon to tell as he is so untested! I must differentiate from them and assert my superior boxing knowledge by confidently backing Fury!'

Many of the same clowns were saying the same about David Price.

A lot of people seem to go weak at the knees when they see a tall, muscular man with a lot of power.

Joshua hasn't even beaten anyone as good as Thompson or Teper yet, he could well get exposed in similar fashion.

He's shown all the heart he needed to in the Whyte fight.

This isn't a stacked division (yet) and the level folk like you expect him to 'prove himself' against is a lot lower than you think.

For example, I would confidently pick Whyte over any of Fury's opposition pre Wlad. Hell, I might even pick him against 'Covent Garden Street Mime' Wlad.

Riddick Blowe wrote:He's shown all the heart he needed to in the Whyte fight.

Not really.

Horse wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:He's shown all the heart he needed to in the Whyte fight.

Not really.

You're wrong.

I haven't seen any weaknesses in Joshua yet. Thought he passed a good test in Whyte, but because of the ease he's dispatched everyone else, there is still a little question mark there. The question is, who can pose the question? For what it's worth, I reckon Fury, Wilder, Parker are the three main guys who may have what it takes.

Dixonian wrote:I haven't seen any weaknesses in Joshua yet. Thought he passed a good test in Whyte, but because of the ease he's dispatched everyone else, there is still a little question mark there. The question is, who can pose the question? For what it's worth, I reckon Fury, Wilder, Parker are the three main guys who may have what it takes.

Wilder is too reckless, and also vulnerable. Parker could give him a tough fight if he has a chin, but I feel like he's going to be easy for Joshua to time and Josh can use his physical advantages.

I think if Haye beats Gurglegurg and looks in good form doing it, he could actually be the one with the best chance, because he is quick, accurate and could well hurt Joshua.

Dixonian wrote:I haven't seen any weaknesses in Joshua yet. Thought he passed a good test in Whyte, but because of the ease he's dispatched everyone else, there is still a little question mark there. The question is, who can pose the question? For what it's worth, I reckon Fury, Wilder, Parker are the three main guys who may have what it takes.

Is Luis Ortiz so well hidden from you that people don't see what I see? He never gets a mention and I think he's the best of the lot.

Sklar wrote:

Dixonian wrote:I haven't seen any weaknesses in Joshua yet. Thought he passed a good test in Whyte, but because of the ease he's dispatched everyone else, there is still a little question mark there. The question is, who can pose the question? For what it's worth, I reckon Fury, Wilder, Parker are the three main guys who may have what it takes.

Is Luis Ortiz so well hidden from you that people don't see what I see? He never gets a mention and I think he's the best of the lot.

Shit, I forgot about him just because I see him getting frozen out and thus irrelevant. Yes, Ortiz would definitely have the best chance vs Joshua, that might be a pickem or even favour Ortiz. Luis reminds me a bit of Riddick Bowe and if he is as tough as Bowe (he seems the sturdy sort) he would be a formidable obstacle for anyone.

The good thing about Luis Ortiz, from the perspective of safety first promoters, is that you only need to subject the Cuban to the usual one or two year big fight delay and he will already be 40.

Perhaps Ortiz should remove himself from the WBA merry-go-round and throw a lot of money at the number 1 IBF, WBC or WBO contender?

Tuan_Jim wrote:The good thing about Luis Ortiz, from the perspective of safety first promoters, is that you only need to subject the Cuban to the usual one or two year big fight delay and he will already be 40.

Perhaps Ortiz should remove himself from the WBA merry-go-round and throw a lot of money at the number 1 IBF, WBC or WBO contender?

God, it must suck to be in a position where you have to second guess the behaviours of alphabet soup organisations just to try and get the fight you deserve.

I was thinking, if Ortiz does get frozen out, who was the last heavyweight as good as him to not get a look-in at a title shot?

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:The good thing about Luis Ortiz, from the perspective of safety first promoters, is that you only need to subject the Cuban to the usual one or two year big fight delay and he will already be 40.

Perhaps Ortiz should remove himself from the WBA merry-go-round and throw a lot of money at the number 1 IBF, WBC or WBO contender?

God, it must suck to be in a position where you have to second guess the behaviours of alphabet soup organisations just to try and get the fight you deserve.

I was thinking, if Ortiz does get frozen out, who was the last heavyweight as good as him to not get a look-in at a title shot?

Good question. Perhaps Ibeabuchi, although he was frozen out by his own hideous carnal lust.

But on that subject, here's a fascinating stat for you. The popular, much loved David Tua was allowed one world title fight his whole career. One. And that against Lennox Lewis (who delayed Tua's shot more than once).

Meanwhile Tua's chief knockout victims - Ruiz, Maskaev, Rahman and Oquendo - went on to engage in, between them, twenty-five subsequent world title fights. TWENTY-FIVE.

Sklar wrote:

Dixonian wrote:I haven't seen any weaknesses in Joshua yet. Thought he passed a good test in Whyte, but because of the ease he's dispatched everyone else, there is still a little question mark there. The question is, who can pose the question? For what it's worth, I reckon Fury, Wilder, Parker are the three main guys who may have what it takes.

Is Luis Ortiz so well hidden from you that people don't see what I see? He never gets a mention and I think he's the best of the lot.

I plain forgot about Ortiz tbh (and David Haye for that matter).

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Dixonian wrote:I haven't seen any weaknesses in Joshua yet. Thought he passed a good test in Whyte, but because of the ease he's dispatched everyone else, there is still a little question mark there. The question is, who can pose the question? For what it's worth, I reckon Fury, Wilder, Parker are the three main guys who may have what it takes.

Wilder is too reckless, and also vulnerable. Parker could give him a tough fight if he has a chin, but I feel like he's going to be easy for Joshua to time and Josh can use his physical advantages.

I think if Haye beats Gurglegurg and looks in good form doing it, he could actually be the one with the best chance, because he is quick, accurate and could well hurt Joshua.

I know wilder's vulnerable, but he's also very dangerous. That long, fast straight right is not easy to avoid. And of course, Haye can't be discounted...