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its not really. got through absolute hell against wlad when he physically looked pretty much done and no real signs that hell mentality capitulate.

Yeah - we have to remember that this 'garbage' fighter has beaten every fighter he's faced without convincingly losing a round bar Wlad, and he still won that fight.

Every fighter can learn. Look at Fury at the same stage in his career. Looking fat as hell fighting Abell. Getting sat on his backside by Cunningham and Pajkic. He certainly didn't look like the guy who beat Wlad.

takam is no slouch either. he was even on the cards (in russia) against fully juiced povetkin just a round before getting stopped.i thought he drew with parker.

your doing good if 4 years into your career your the world #1 and standards are so high that not quickly stopping a guy like him is criticized. theres a good chance joshua is still a few years from his peak phase.

I thought Takam should have had the opportuntiy to carry on it was a poor stoppage. While i dont think there was any skullduggery going on the ref was just a little too eager. Sometimes i think the ref sees something then moves in to stop a fight after a knee jerk reaction. In that split second the boxer recovers but the ref has jumped the gun and decides to stop the fight. I just dont think they give enough time to see if the boxer recover after about 2 or 3 seconds.

I suppose its a fine line really, some times it works lots of times it doesnt.

Takam alway had a punchers chance imo after the later rounds as AJ was certainly getting tired. So he should have been given the oppertunity to have his day.

It wasnt a great preformance by AJ, but again hes only had 20 fight and only just started mixing it with genuine world class boxers. Both Takam and Klit have only been the 2 in 20 fights that have really tested Joshua. So I think hes now getting to that level himself. Its just a shame there arent many lads out there that could test AJ much further than his previous 2 opponents.

Titles aside AJ hasnt really done that bad in those 20 outings its not really his fault that there isnt the quality around these days. Im not sure if Haye or Bellew could fair better against AJ but I would love to see either get the chance. Would be a great all British line up.

Joshua would stop Bellew with ease , it's a fight that shouldn't happen , but it conceivably will because of the all British thing .

And I think we should stop talking about Haye as a competitive fighter until he can prove he can go some rounds without his body breaking down on him.

rd350lc wrote:Joshua would stop Bellew with ease , it's a fight that shouldn't happen , but it conceivably will because of the all British thing .

And I think we should stop talking about Haye as a competitive fighter until he can prove he can go some rounds without his body breaking down on him.

I certainly agree Haye dont deserve a shot at AJ even if he beats Bellew, but the true fact of the matter is that either fight would fill Wembley and some. It would generate a huge amount of money. And money talks in boxing.

boxingknockout wrote:It’s amazing to me how the UK went from the fairest nation with regards to boxing, to one of the worst.

Money !

mimmy123 wrote:I thought Takam should have had the opportuntiy to carry on it was a poor stoppage. While i dont think there was any skullduggery going on the ref was just a little too eager. Sometimes i think the ref sees something then moves in to stop a fight after a knee jerk reaction. In that split second the boxer recovers but the ref has jumped the gun and decides to stop the fight. I just dont think they give enough time to see if the boxer recover after about 2 or 3 seconds.

I see where you're coming from but how many shots could land in 2 or 3 seconds? If someone looks in trouble, it's quite a risk to leave it a couple of seconds, in which time he could have taken half a dozen shots from an 18st athlete. The only alternative is to allow a standing 8 count I suppose.

I do think the stoppage was premature but it wasn't the same as Froch/Groves I where the fight was ebbing and flowing. There was no evidence that Takam was hurting Joshua and he had lost pretty much every round.

the_doctor wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:I thought Takam should have had the opportuntiy to carry on it was a poor stoppage. While i dont think there was any skullduggery going on the ref was just a little too eager. Sometimes i think the ref sees something then moves in to stop a fight after a knee jerk reaction. In that split second the boxer recovers but the ref has jumped the gun and decides to stop the fight. I just dont think they give enough time to see if the boxer recover after about 2 or 3 seconds.

I see where you're coming from but how many shots could land in 2 or 3 seconds? If someone looks in trouble, it's quite a risk to leave it a couple of seconds, in which time he could have taken half a dozen shots from an 18st athlete. The only alternative is to allow a standing 8 count I suppose.

I do think the stoppage was premature but it wasn't the same as Froch/Groves I where the fight was ebbing and flowing. There was no evidence that Takam was hurting Joshua and he had lost pretty much every round.

I think soon as the ref jumps and gets inbetween the 2 he possibly thinks its a bit soon after the initial shots that made him jump. But if the ref has essentially jumped in and for a second interupted the fight can he infact say carry on? Or because he has suddenly jumped the gun and again very momentarilly stopped the fight has to stop it because hes effectively stopped it anyway by moving in.

Like you say the standing 8 count would at least give a clear indication to the ref if the fight does need to be stopped or not.

Sometimes i feel its stopped because the ref dont want egg on his face with dithering about like hes unsure wether to stop it or not. These are the mistakes of a c class not an a class ref?

mimmy123 wrote:

the_doctor wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:I thought Takam should have had the opportuntiy to carry on it was a poor stoppage. While i dont think there was any skullduggery going on the ref was just a little too eager. Sometimes i think the ref sees something then moves in to stop a fight after a knee jerk reaction. In that split second the boxer recovers but the ref has jumped the gun and decides to stop the fight. I just dont think they give enough time to see if the boxer recover after about 2 or 3 seconds.

I see where you're coming from but how many shots could land in 2 or 3 seconds? If someone looks in trouble, it's quite a risk to leave it a couple of seconds, in which time he could have taken half a dozen shots from an 18st athlete. The only alternative is to allow a standing 8 count I suppose.

I do think the stoppage was premature but it wasn't the same as Froch/Groves I where the fight was ebbing and flowing. There was no evidence that Takam was hurting Joshua and he had lost pretty much every round.

I think soon as the ref jumps and gets inbetween the 2 he possibly thinks its a bit soon after the initial shots that made him jump. But if the ref has essentially jumped in and for a second interupted the fight can he infact say carry on? Or because he has suddenly jumped the gun and again very momentarilly stopped the fight has to stop it because hes effectively stopped it anyway by moving in.

Like you say the standing 8 count would at least give a clear indication to the ref if the fight does need to be stopped or not.

Sometimes i feel its stopped because the ref dont want egg on his face with dithering about like hes unsure wether to stop it or not. These are the mistakes of a c class not an a class ref?

Possibly, but if we assume that not every decision will be correct then I'd always rather see a fight stopped too early than too late, particularly in this case where Takam had been taking quite a beating for 9 rounds.

Like I said, I think the stoppage was too early, but I can understand why the ref stopped it.

Did they not fit the Allen fight on the card?

adamwillan wrote:Did they not fit the Allen fight on the card?

Doesnt look like the fight took place.

mimmy123 wrote:

adamwillan wrote:Did they not fit the Allen fight on the card?

Doesnt look like the fight took place.

Looks like it been moved to Bellew vs. Haye II

Lenny wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Been saying it for years, Joshua is garbage. Freakish athlete with good power and average-at-best skill & questionable stamina/heart/chin/toughness in a very weak division. Not sure i'd make AJ favourite vs Haye or Povetkin. Almost certainly had him underdog if Wlad had excersized the rematch.

In what way is his heart questionable?

It isn't. People are desperate to find fault and appear sage. It's all if if if while seeming to forget that he keeps winning.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:

adamwillan wrote:Did they not fit the Allen fight on the card?

Doesnt look like the fight took place.

Looks like it been moved to Bellew vs. Haye II

Has it been moved or is this the other Allen fight which is for commonwealth title?

Seems like the world thinks it was a horrible stoppage. Alas, Phil Edwards will be back to work in no time, the board don't care.

Joshua looked slow in there. He needs to come in 10lbs lighter.

He got hit a lot. Fury would box circles round him if fully fit.

forcefraser wrote:Joshua looked slow in there. He needs to come in 10lbs lighter.

He got hit a lot. Fury would box circles round him if fully fit.

Fury is about 8 stone overweight unlicensed hasn't fought in 2 years and wrecking his body. He could just as easily get wiped out and badly hurt.

no way should it have been stopped , i think the ref was looking for an excuse to stop it to keep AJ's record 100% stoppages....either that of he had a good bet on round 10

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mimmy123 wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:
Doesnt look like the fight took place.

Looks like it been moved to Bellew vs. Haye II

Has it been moved or is this the other Allen fight which is for commonwealth title?

That's the commonwealth title fight.. Who was he supposed to fight last night?

rd350lc wrote:Joshua would stop Bellew with ease , it's a fight that shouldn't happen , but it conceivably will because of the all British thing .

And I think we should stop talking about Haye as a competitive fighter until he can prove he can go some rounds without his body breaking down on him.

Bellew has said numerous times, he doesn't want a fight with Joshua. If he beats Haye again, he will go after Parker.

forcefraser wrote:Joshua looked slow in there. He needs to come in 10lbs lighter.

He got hit a lot. Fury would box circles round him if fully fit.

We're going to have this Fury myth forever now aren't we.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:

mimmy123 wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:
Looks like it been moved to Bellew vs. Haye II

Has it been moved or is this the other Allen fight which is for commonwealth title?

That's the commonwealth title fight.. Who was he supposed to fight last night?

Cant remember the name but he was a novice boxer.

brian13 wrote:

rd350lc wrote:Joshua would stop Bellew with ease , it's a fight that shouldn't happen , but it conceivably will because of the all British thing .

And I think we should stop talking about Haye as a competitive fighter until he can prove he can go some rounds without his body breaking down on him.

Bellew has said numerous times, he doesn't want a fight with Joshua. If he beats Haye again, he will go after Parker.

So Bellew would turn down a mega rich fight to fight for peanuts compared to what he could earn?

I doubt it very much. If he beats Haye again and the opportunity comes knocking he will answer the door.