Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 03 Jul 2020, 15:54
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Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 03 Jul 2020, 19:33
Anybody could be champion in many classes. Just avoid the best champ by the division and that's it. If that's the case, Wilfredo Vazquez should be better than Pedroza. He won 3 titles in 3 weight classes. Also did Jorge "El Travieso" Arce. He was champion in 4 weight classes. How about some Japanese boxers that have won titles in 3 weight classes themselves? Should they be top 100 pound per pound all time greats?Jaywheel wrote: ↑03 Jul 2020, 14:52No way! He did enough. Pedroza was champ in how many weight classes? The Great Oscarito was the total package. Close the curtain.elmersalsa wrote: ↑03 Jul 2020, 14:15
De La Hoya did not do enough to be in the top 100 all time greats. There are many fighters that were better than he and did not make it.
Do you want to know their names.
The winning of multiple titles is not as impressive as 30 or 40 years ago. Any boxer with the right management, could get 3 titles easily. Why? There are 4 champs in each of the 17 weight classes. That means that boxing talent has been watered down, way down since the 2000s decade.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 03 Jul 2020, 19:36
This is a RIDICULOUS POST that amounts to nothing. You yourself exposed Oscar De La Hoya as flunked atg.Jaywheel wrote: ↑03 Jul 2020, 15:07 At #80, we got one of the most decorated fighters ever. He was an all-time great from the amateurs up to the pros
#80. Oscar De la Hoya
Record: 39-6-0 with 30KOs.
KO Pct is Who the fvck cares
Career: 1992; 2008
World Titles Held: So many it's ridiculous:
WBO junior lightweight champion (130 lbs)
WBO lightweight champion (135 lbs)
IBF lightweight champion
WBC light welterweight Champion (140 lbs)
WBC welterweight Champion (147 lbs) (2×)
WBC light middleweight champion (154 lbs) (2×)
WBA (Super) light middleweight champion
WBO middleweight champion (160 lbs)
Minor world titles
IBA welterweight champion
IBA light middleweight champion
The Ring light middleweight champion
Lineal light welterweight champion
Lineal welterweight champion
Lineal light middleweight champion
Highlights: The Golden Boy won Gold at the Olympics so he got that nickname. I call him the great Golben Boy or El Magnifico Oscarito
Historical Impact: In 2000, EMI International released Oscar De La Hoya. The self-titled CD is a Latin pop album with 13 tracks in both English and Spanish, written by Diane Warren and the Bee Gees, and was nominated for a Grammy.
Defining Fight: Was alwys on PPV HBO selling crazy numbers fighting only the best:
1 May 6, 1995 De La Hoya vs. Ruelas
2 September 9, 1995 De La Hoya vs. Hernandez
3 January 18, 1997 De La Hoya vs. Gonzalez
4 April 12, 1997 Whitaker vs. De La Hoya Pound for Pound
5 September 13, 1997 De La Hoya vs. Camacho Opposites Attack
6 December 6, 1997 De La Hoya vs. Rivera Tital Wave
7 September 18, 1998 De La Hoya vs. Chavez II Ultimate Revenge
8 February 13, 1999 De La Hoya vs. Quartey The Challenge
9 September 18, 1999 De La Hoya vs. Trinidad Fight of the Millennium
10 June 17, 2000 De La Hoya vs. Mosley Destiny
11 June 23, 2001 De La Hoya vs. Castillejo The Quest
12 September 14, 2002 De La Hoya vs. Vargas Bad Blood
13 May 3, 2003 De La Hoya vs. Campas Night of Champions
14 September 13, 2003 De La Hoya vs. Mosley II Redemption
15 June 4, 2004 De La Hoya vs. Sturm Collision Course
16 September 18, 2004 De La Hoya vs. Hopkins History
17 May 6, 2006 De La Hoya vs. Mayorga Danger Zone
18 May 5, 2007 De La Hoya vs. Mayweather The World Awaits
19 December 6, 2008 De La Hoya vs. Pacquiao The Dream Match
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 03 Jul 2020, 19:38
LMFAO!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 03 Jul 2020, 19:57
If Azumah Nelson thought of having a super fight with the great Julio Cesar Chavez back in 1986 when Chavez was WBC World Jr Lightweight Champion, he didn't look impressive enough when he fought Mario "Azabache" Martinez for the vacant WBC World Jr Lightweight crown.
Martinez of Mexico, was a veteran of over 46 fights and was a former Chavez' victim. He fought Chavez for the vacant WBC Jr Lightweight title in 1984. Chavez stopped him in 8 rounds and the Chavez' legend began.
Azabache beat Nelson outright. Now, this was a robbery. A HIGHWAY ROBBERY. Maybe a bank one. No way that Nelson should have been awarded the decision nor the crown.
Martinez of Mexico, was a veteran of over 46 fights and was a former Chavez' victim. He fought Chavez for the vacant WBC Jr Lightweight title in 1984. Chavez stopped him in 8 rounds and the Chavez' legend began.
Azabache beat Nelson outright. Now, this was a robbery. A HIGHWAY ROBBERY. Maybe a bank one. No way that Nelson should have been awarded the decision nor the crown.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 03 Jul 2020, 22:28
elmer my man, what's the difference between a champion and an undefeated champion
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 04 Jul 2020, 19:29
The word champion in my view, my view, means as the best of the class or division.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑03 Jul 2020, 22:28 elmer my man, what's the difference between a champion and an undefeated champion
Undefeated champion in boxing means a champion that has not lost his crown to anybody. He might had lost a fight that wasn't a title fight, but he is still keeping his crown.
A retired undefeated champion means that nobody took his crown while he was champion. So, he retired with the belt/title/crown.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 04 Jul 2020, 19:50
Isn't a redundent term for a champion?elmersalsa wrote: ↑04 Jul 2020, 19:29The word champion in my view, my view, means as the best of the class or division.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑03 Jul 2020, 22:28 elmer my man, what's the difference between a champion and an undefeated champion
Undefeated champion in boxing means a champion that has not lost his crown to anybody. He might had lost a fight that wasn't a title fight, but he is still keeping his crown.
A retired undefeated champion means that nobody took his crown while he was champion. So, he retired with the belt/title/crown.
I only use "Undefeated Champion" to describe a belt holder who retires without losing his crown. I.E. Lennox Lewis.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 04 Jul 2020, 20:10
I only use it for a champ with no loses, otherwise pretty much every champ is an undefeated champ while they are champ
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 04 Jul 2020, 20:46
Exactly my point.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Jul 2020, 20:10 I only use it for a champ with no loses, otherwise pretty much every champ is an undefeated champ while they are champ
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 12:33
Well, you may be right. A champion is undefeated until he fights someone and gets beat. Not necessarily that you got to have an undefeated record.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Jul 2020, 20:10 I only use it for a champ with no loses, otherwise pretty much every champ is an undefeated champ while they are champ
Carlos Monzon retired undefeated champ. He got 3 losses on his record.
Rocky Marciano could definitely be the real definition of undefeated champion. He never lost a fight. The same could be said of Pretty Boy Floyd.
Jose Becerra of Mexico is also an undefeated champ. He lost to someone while he was champion, but it wasn't a title fight.
The same could be said of The Lion of England, the great Lennox Lewis. He had 2 losses, but he avenged them and retired undefeated champion, too.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 19:13
Believe it or not, elmer is actually right about this. It is an old phrase used in boxing. It had nothing to do with a fighter's win/loss record. If a fighter retires with the title, he was an undefeated champion. Not my favorite phrase either.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 05 Jul 2020, 20:12
Oh, I'm sure people have used the term before, it just seems rather silly and unnecessary....pretty much every champ is gonna be an unbeaten champ by that measure when he's the champ
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 14:47
The Professor's first title defense of his recently "won" WBC World Jr Lightweight crown was against a solid and formidable challenger named Lupe Suarez of Corpus Christi, TX.
Suarez had an amateur record of 115-13. He was a five-time Texas amateur gold champion and a one-time AAU Gold champion.
He was ba southpaw of only 25 fights. But, he gave The Professor hell the first couple of rounds. At least the first five. He was throwing punches in bunches and outworking the champion Azumah Nelson. He even cut him!
But, Nelson with much more experience, solved the puzzle after the 6th round. He was getting to the taller Suarez (5'8") with left hooks and uppercuts. By round 8th, Nelson hurt Suarez. And in the first 30 seconds of round 9, Nelson unleashed a barrage of lefts and rights. Suarez got up, but he himself BEGGED the referee to stop the fight from further punishment. Nelson wons by TKO in round 9 in his first title defense of his second crown.
Suarez had an amateur record of 115-13. He was a five-time Texas amateur gold champion and a one-time AAU Gold champion.
He was ba southpaw of only 25 fights. But, he gave The Professor hell the first couple of rounds. At least the first five. He was throwing punches in bunches and outworking the champion Azumah Nelson. He even cut him!
But, Nelson with much more experience, solved the puzzle after the 6th round. He was getting to the taller Suarez (5'8") with left hooks and uppercuts. By round 8th, Nelson hurt Suarez. And in the first 30 seconds of round 9, Nelson unleashed a barrage of lefts and rights. Suarez got up, but he himself BEGGED the referee to stop the fight from further punishment. Nelson wons by TKO in round 9 in his first title defense of his second crown.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 22:56
On December 10th, 1988 to finish the boxing year, Azumah Nelson makes the first and only title defense as a champion of the world in his native Accra, Ghana.
It's The Professor only fight of his 24 title fights that he made in his country. And who was that challenger? The challenger was Sidnei Dal Revere.
Sidnei Dal Revere? Who the fuock is that? Revere was a challenger from Brazil of all places. The man was not even ranked in the top 10 in no boxing government bodies. Revere only had 17 pro fights! And the question is, who did he beat to get a title shot? Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to wait over 50 fights to get a title shot at middleweight back in 1979. He fought the contenders and top men of the rankings. Guys that NOBODY wanted to fight, let alone go to the opponent's backyard and beat them.
Well, Revere only proved to be a sardine for dinner for the champion. He was the sacrificial lamb for the 25,000 Ghanians in attendance to see their hometown hero perform.
And perform well he did. Nelson dropped the Brazilian twice with the left hook. Twice the Brazilian hit the canvas with his fists like saying "I did a damned mistake!" The first mistake he did was to sign for a title shot unproven against one of the best fighters in the world. The second mistake was to go to the champion's backyard. The fight was over in 3 rounds. Two weeks later, it was Christmas time. I guess Revere did not get his Christmas gift. But, he got paid enough to buy his friends and family presents for the holidays.
Merry Christmas, Sidnei!
It's The Professor only fight of his 24 title fights that he made in his country. And who was that challenger? The challenger was Sidnei Dal Revere.
Sidnei Dal Revere? Who the fuock is that? Revere was a challenger from Brazil of all places. The man was not even ranked in the top 10 in no boxing government bodies. Revere only had 17 pro fights! And the question is, who did he beat to get a title shot? Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to wait over 50 fights to get a title shot at middleweight back in 1979. He fought the contenders and top men of the rankings. Guys that NOBODY wanted to fight, let alone go to the opponent's backyard and beat them.
Well, Revere only proved to be a sardine for dinner for the champion. He was the sacrificial lamb for the 25,000 Ghanians in attendance to see their hometown hero perform.
And perform well he did. Nelson dropped the Brazilian twice with the left hook. Twice the Brazilian hit the canvas with his fists like saying "I did a damned mistake!" The first mistake he did was to sign for a title shot unproven against one of the best fighters in the world. The second mistake was to go to the champion's backyard. The fight was over in 3 rounds. Two weeks later, it was Christmas time. I guess Revere did not get his Christmas gift. But, he got paid enough to buy his friends and family presents for the holidays.
Merry Christmas, Sidnei!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 13 Jul 2020, 15:59
The Tornado wearing Stiletto's vs Felix Sturm (2004)
As if his career wasn't already impressive, Oscarito captures the WBO title, out-throwing and out-power punching the unbeaten champ, and becomes the first 6 division champ in boxing history!!
As if his career wasn't already impressive, Oscarito captures the WBO title, out-throwing and out-power punching the unbeaten champ, and becomes the first 6 division champ in boxing history!!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 22:40
The Professor proved to be the better man the second time around when he faced Mexican contender Mario Martinez.
In their first fight, many people, including myself, thought that Martinez beat The Professor outright by decision. It did not go Martinez' way.
So after a couple of title defenses, it was Martinez' turn. But, this time, Azumah was better than the last time. Scoring with beautiful combinations and mixing it up with boxing and slugging it out at times. He really confused Martinez, who was fighting for his third bid at the WBC World Super Featherweight Title.
Nelson was in better shape than the last time. And dropped Martinez with a left hook in the 12th and final round. Another barrage of quick lefts and rights and the fight was stopped by referee Carlos Padilla of the Philippines.
Nelson retains his crown for the 4th time.
In their first fight, many people, including myself, thought that Martinez beat The Professor outright by decision. It did not go Martinez' way.
So after a couple of title defenses, it was Martinez' turn. But, this time, Azumah was better than the last time. Scoring with beautiful combinations and mixing it up with boxing and slugging it out at times. He really confused Martinez, who was fighting for his third bid at the WBC World Super Featherweight Title.
Nelson was in better shape than the last time. And dropped Martinez with a left hook in the 12th and final round. Another barrage of quick lefts and rights and the fight was stopped by referee Carlos Padilla of the Philippines.
Nelson retains his crown for the 4th time.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 22:59
Azumah Nelson makes only 2 fights in the year of 1989.
In Both of his fights, he won by knockout in the last round.
In Both of his fights, he won by knockout in the last round.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 23:09
Who did Nelson beat to deserve his title shot? No need to reply with the spin machine, just a vintage Elmer contradiction. Enjoy that foot sandwich.elmersalsa wrote: ↑08 Jul 2020, 22:56 On December 10th, 1988 to finish the boxing year, Azumah Nelson makes the first and only title defense as a champion of the world in his native Accra, Ghana.
It's The Professor only fight of his 24 title fights that he made in his country. And who was that challenger? The challenger was Sidnei Dal Revere.
Sidnei Dal Revere? Who the fuock is that? Revere was a challenger from Brazil of all places. The man was not even ranked in the top 10 in no boxing government bodies. Revere only had 17 pro fights! And the question is, who did he beat to get a title shot? Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to wait over 50 fights to get a title shot at middleweight back in 1979. He fought the contenders and top men of the rankings. Guys that NOBODY wanted to fight, let alone go to the opponent's backyard and beat them.
Well, Revere only proved to be a sardine for dinner for the champion. He was the sacrificial lamb for the 25,000 Ghanians in attendance to see their hometown hero perform.
And perform well he did. Nelson dropped the Brazilian twice with the left hook. Twice the Brazilian hit the canvas with his fists like saying "I did a damned mistake!" The first mistake he did was to sign for a title shot unproven against one of the best fighters in the world. The second mistake was to go to the champion's backyard. The fight was over in 3 rounds. Two weeks later, it was Christmas time. I guess Revere did not get his Christmas gift. But, he got paid enough to buy his friends and family presents for the holidays.
Merry Christmas, Sidnei!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 12:14
Who was Sinei Dal Revere, Onetimeonly?Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 23:09Who did Nelson beat to deserve his title shot? No need to reply with the spin machine, just a vintage Elmer contradiction. Enjoy that foot sandwich.elmersalsa wrote: ↑08 Jul 2020, 22:56 On December 10th, 1988 to finish the boxing year, Azumah Nelson makes the first and only title defense as a champion of the world in his native Accra, Ghana.
It's The Professor only fight of his 24 title fights that he made in his country. And who was that challenger? The challenger was Sidnei Dal Revere.
Sidnei Dal Revere? Who the fuock is that? Revere was a challenger from Brazil of all places. The man was not even ranked in the top 10 in no boxing government bodies. Revere only had 17 pro fights! And the question is, who did he beat to get a title shot? Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to wait over 50 fights to get a title shot at middleweight back in 1979. He fought the contenders and top men of the rankings. Guys that NOBODY wanted to fight, let alone go to the opponent's backyard and beat them.
Well, Revere only proved to be a sardine for dinner for the champion. He was the sacrificial lamb for the 25,000 Ghanians in attendance to see their hometown hero perform.
And perform well he did. Nelson dropped the Brazilian twice with the left hook. Twice the Brazilian hit the canvas with his fists like saying "I did a damned mistake!" The first mistake he did was to sign for a title shot unproven against one of the best fighters in the world. The second mistake was to go to the champion's backyard. The fight was over in 3 rounds. Two weeks later, it was Christmas time. I guess Revere did not get his Christmas gift. But, he got paid enough to buy his friends and family presents for the holidays.
Merry Christmas, Sidnei!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 12:28
You never have been able to grasp the concept of answering questions before asking your own.elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Jul 2020, 12:14Who was Sinei Dal Revere, Onetimeonly?Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 23:09Who did Nelson beat to deserve his title shot? No need to reply with the spin machine, just a vintage Elmer contradiction. Enjoy that foot sandwich.elmersalsa wrote: ↑08 Jul 2020, 22:56 On December 10th, 1988 to finish the boxing year, Azumah Nelson makes the first and only title defense as a champion of the world in his native Accra, Ghana.
It's The Professor only fight of his 24 title fights that he made in his country. And who was that challenger? The challenger was Sidnei Dal Revere.
Sidnei Dal Revere? Who the fuock is that? Revere was a challenger from Brazil of all places. The man was not even ranked in the top 10 in no boxing government bodies. Revere only had 17 pro fights! And the question is, who did he beat to get a title shot? Marvelous Marvin Hagler had to wait over 50 fights to get a title shot at middleweight back in 1979. He fought the contenders and top men of the rankings. Guys that NOBODY wanted to fight, let alone go to the opponent's backyard and beat them.
Well, Revere only proved to be a sardine for dinner for the champion. He was the sacrificial lamb for the 25,000 Ghanians in attendance to see their hometown hero perform.
And perform well he did. Nelson dropped the Brazilian twice with the left hook. Twice the Brazilian hit the canvas with his fists like saying "I did a damned mistake!" The first mistake he did was to sign for a title shot unproven against one of the best fighters in the world. The second mistake was to go to the champion's backyard. The fight was over in 3 rounds. Two weeks later, it was Christmas time. I guess Revere did not get his Christmas gift. But, he got paid enough to buy his friends and family presents for the holidays.
Merry Christmas, Sidnei!
Believe me Elmo, this is going to hurt you more than it hurts me, but you have to learn. I know you're tired of your own relentless hypocrisy.
You're banned from my wisdom until you answer the question. Case closed!!!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 16 Jul 2020, 16:54
I don't get it.Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Jul 2020, 12:28You never have been able to grasp the concept of answering questions before asking your own.elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Jul 2020, 12:14Who was Sinei Dal Revere, Onetimeonly?Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Jul 2020, 23:09
Who did Nelson beat to deserve his title shot? No need to reply with the spin machine, just a vintage Elmer contradiction. Enjoy that foot sandwich.
Believe me Elmo, this is going to hurt you more than it hurts me, but you have to learn. I know you're tired of your own relentless hypocrisy.
You're banned from my wisdom until you answer the question. Case closed!!!
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 08:18
You usually don't. He is basically asking you who did Azumah Nelson beat that made him deserving of his first title shot?
As usual, you ignored it and asked your own question.
As usual, you ignored it and asked your own question.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 18 Jul 2020, 17:47
We all forgot that the great Azumah Nelson was a SUBSTITUTE of Mario Miranda of Colombia for the great Salvador Sanchez' last title defense.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑17 Jul 2020, 08:18 You usually don't. He is basically asking you who did Azumah Nelson beat that made him deserving of his first title shot?
As usual, you ignored it and asked your own question.
So, Nelson had a break in terms of having a world title shot. He almost pulled it off.
Re: The Top 100 Greatest Boxers Pound per Pound of All-Time
Posted: 19 Jul 2020, 15:19
Who was the best fighter that Nelson beat before he got a title shot? Simple question.