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peter barlow wrote: ↑08 Sep 2021, 12:07

• Wilder – contractual obligation
• Joshua – contractual obligation, since both parties announced back in March that they'd agreed the terms of a two-fight deal
• Whyte – WBC mandatory challenger and probably the third biggest commercial draw in the heavyweight division
• Chisora – Fury has always promised that he’d fight his good friend in the final bout of his career

Orlando Gonzalez, Robeisy Ramirez Reach Terms For Featherweight Fight On Fury-Wilder

Orlando ‘Capu’ Gonzalez has spent all year in search of a step-up fight. His wish was not only granted but will serve as part of one of the biggest cards of the year.

Boxing Scene has learned Puerto Rico’s Gonzalez and two-time Olympic Gold medalist Robeisy Ramirez have reached terms for an intriguing clash between featherweight southpaws. The bout will likely take place October 9 at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, as part of the undercard preceding the Pay-Per-View event topped by the trilogy clash between lineal/WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury (30-0-1, 21KOs) and former long-reigning WBC champ Deontay Wilder (42-1-1, 41KOs).

Ramirez (7-1, 4 KOs) has won seven straight following a stunning split decision loss to Adan Gonzalez in his August 2019 pro debut. The Cuban southpaw has since avenged that loss, soundly outpointing Gonzalez in their rematch last July at MGM Grand Conference Center in Las Vegas. Ramirez—who now lives and trains in Florida—has added three wins following the feat, including a six-round shutout of Ryan Lee Allen in his most recent start this past May.

The bout with Gonzalez (17-0, 10 KOs) will mark the sixth in a row in Las Vegas for Ramirez, who won Gold medals for Cuba in 2012 London and 2016 Rio—defeating Michael Conlan, Tugstsogt Nyambayar, Murodjon Akhmadaliev (now the unified WBA/IBF junior featherweight titlist) and Shakur Stevenson en route to his two Gold medal hauls.

Gonzalez fights for just the second time in Vegas. The 26-year-old from Aguadilla, Puerto Rico went the distance in an eight-round win over Luis Porozo last June at MGM Grand Conference Center, with the bulk of his career having taken place either in P.R. or Central Florida.

In his most recent start, Gonzalez claimed an eight-round, unanimous decision win over Juan Antonio Lopez in front of a sold-out crowd packed with Boricua fans this past April at Silver Spurs Arena in Kissimmee, Florida.

Gonzalez was previously in pursuit of a clash with former junior featherweight titlist Isaac Dogboe, though such plans never materialized. The fight with Ramirez comes after the two were in talks earlier this year for a potential fight this summer, though coming to terms after the offer came back around for both parties. The timing worked out well, as Fury and Wilder were originally due to fight July 24 at this very venue. The event was postponed by nearly three months after Fury was forced to withdraw after testing positive for Covid.

Julian Williams To End Long Layoff On Fury-Wilder Undercard October 9; Opponent TBD

Julian Williams has another date for his long-awaited return to the ring.

Boxing Scene has learned that Williams has been scheduled to box October 9 on the Tyson Fury-Deontay Wilder undercard at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Williams’ opponent hasn’t been secured, but the Philadelphia native is expected to compete in a 10-round bout that will be broadcast by ESPN2, FS1, ESPN Deportes and FOX Deportes before the ESPN/FOX Sports pay-per-view portion of the Fury-Wilder undercard begins at 9 p.m. EDT.

Undefeated super middleweight knockout artist Edgar Berlanga will headline the ESPN/FS1 part of the Fury-Wilder undercard. Brooklyn’s Berlanga (17-0, 16 KOs) is scheduled to square off against Argentina’s Marcelo Coceres (30-2-1, 16 KOs) in the first 10-round fight of Berlanga’s five-year pro career.

The two-fight telecast that’ll feature Berlanga and Williams is set to start with Williams’ fight at 7 p.m. EDT.

Williams (27-2-1, 16 KOs, 1 NC), a former IBF/IBO/WBA 154-pound champion, hasn’t boxed since Jeison Rosario upset him by fifth-round technical knockout in January 2020 at Temple University’s Liacouras Center in Philadelphia. The 31-year-old Williams was consistently listed as a 30-1 favorite over the Dominican Republic’s Rosario entering that optional title defense.

The ex-champion subsequently underwent surgery to repair scar tissue above both eyes and declined his contractual right to a rematch with Rosario.

Williams was supposed to end his long layoff June 26 on the pay-per-view portion of a Showtime event that featured Gervonta Davis’ 11th-round stoppage of former WBA world super lightweight champion Mario Barrios at State Farm Arena in Atlanta.

A favored Williams was set to battle Brian Mendoza in a 10-rounder, but Williams suffered an elbow injury while training and withdrew the week of their fight. That marked the second time the Williams-Mendoza match was postponed, which prompted Mendoza to request another opponent.

They first were supposed to meet December 26 in Los Angeles, but Williams contracted COVID-19 and withdrew from what was slated as a “PBC FOX Fight Night” main event. Mendoza (19-2, 13 KOs), of Albuquerque, New Mexico, lost a one-sided, 10-round unanimous decision to 20-year-old Jesus Ramos (17-0, 14 KOs) on September 5 in a main event FOX televised from The Armory in Minneapolis.

Fury Explains That Wilder Trilogy Was Necessary To Avoid $80 Million in Damages

WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury has denied allegations that he was trying to avoid a trilogy fight with Deontay Wilder.

Back in February 2020, Fury stopped Wilder in seven rounds to capture the WBC crown.

After that fight, Wilder exercised an immediate rematch clause.

Because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the third encounter was pushed back several times.

Eventually, Fury and his handlers were claiming that Wilder's rematch clause had expired.

Fury would then attempt to finalize a full division unification with IBF, IBO, WBA, WBO heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua.

The two sides were close to finalizing a deal for an August date in Saudi Arabia.

However, Wilder began a legal action to enforce his right to a rematch - and he was successful, with an arbitrator ordering Fury to honor the rematch clause.

Fury and Wilder will now collide for a third time on October 9th at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

“A lot of people don’t know this but I’m not optimistic that the Joshua fight will ever happen. He talks a good game but is he really a boxing man? I’m not really too sure," Fury told Gary Neville's The Overlap.

"All the talk was that me and Joshua were going to fight, no contracts were signed but then, all of a sudden, Deontay Wilder has put on an arbitration against me with a top judge and all the best lawyers in North America. I can’t do anything about that. If you want to bring a court case against me in America, even if I haven’t done anything, I’ve got to defend it otherwise I’m guilty, that’s how it works. So I said, let’s do it.

"He wanted to go to court for the rematch, his contract had expired because of COVID, but to be honest with you, fair is fair, I’m an honest man and if the shoe was on the other foot, I’d want my fair fight because it wasn’t really my fault or Wilder’s fault why it happened, the world got turned on it’s head and it didn’t happen. So we’re on court and he won the case, the judge said fair is fair, give him the rematch, there’s not much I can do about that."

Fury made it clear that his WBC belt had nothing to do with the rematch clause.

With or without the title, Fury is legally tied to a third encounter with Wilder.

Had he passed Wilder over, there would have been significant financial damages.

“It’s not the belt, it’s contracted to me, so it’s got nothing to do with the belt. Do you know how much the suing case was if I didn’t fight him? $80 million," Fury said..

"I was never really optimistic about the Joshua fight because all of this was going on in the background and they knew all that, Eddie Hearn knew it, Joshua knew it, but then all of a sudden it’s my fault.”
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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Sep 2021, 09:20

peter barlow wrote: ↑08 Sep 2021, 12:07

• Wilder – contractual obligation
• Joshua – contractual obligation, since both parties announced back in March that they'd agreed the terms of a two-fight deal
• Whyte – WBC mandatory challenger and probably the third biggest commercial draw in the heavyweight division
• Chisora – Fury has always promised that he’d fight his good friend in the final bout of his career

You aren't obliged to a contract if you don't sign it.

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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Sep 2021, 11:46 This isn't a maths, but:

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At precisely the same time, 566616 suddenly starts posting to the forum!

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Sep 2021, 12:08

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Sep 2021, 11:46 This isn't a maths, but:

546853 = 566616

546853 is completely removed from the forum.

At precisely the same time, 566616 suddenly starts posting to the forum!

We can probably work out his name from those figures..

Name begins with J K or L

who gives a crap?

adislav123 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2021, 16:53

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑17 Sep 2021, 12:08

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Sep 2021, 11:46 This isn't a maths, but:

546853 = 566616

546853 is completely removed from the forum.

At precisely the same time, 566616 suddenly starts posting to the forum!

We can probably work out his name from those figures..

Name begins with J K or L

who gives a crap?

Who woke you up

Fury can say whatever TF he likes but it wasn't Anthony Joshua who pulled out of their unification. Joshua was visibly furious when the fight fell over and if that wasn't genuine then he's a better actor than he is a boxer.

Maybe Fury had no choice but to pull out, or maybe he could have put Wilder on ice, who knows, but this talk of doubting the fight will happen, "Joshua talks a good fight but is he really a boxing man?" sounds to me he is preparing his escape route.

I'm beginning to think Fury has no more intention of ever stepping in the ring with Joshua than Wilder had. Go back and watch his demeanour change when the unification got cancelled. He looked like a condemned man who just got told his innocence had been proven.

If you and Joshua never meet in the ring it won't be AJ's fault, it'll be yours you slippery bastard.

candyslim wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 06:34 Fury can say whatever TF he likes but it wasn't Anthony Joshua who pulled out of their unification. Joshua was visibly furious when the fight fell over and if that wasn't genuine then he's a better actor than he is a boxer.

Maybe Fury had no choice but to pull out, or maybe he could have put Wilder on ice, who knows, but this talk of doubting the fight will happen, "Joshua talks a good fight but is he really a boxing man?" sounds to me he is preparing his escape route.

I'm beginning to think Fury has no more intention of ever stepping in the ring with Joshua than Wilder had. Go back and watch his demeanour change when the unification got cancelled. He looked like a condemned man who just got told his innocence had been proven.

If you and Joshua never meet in the ring it won't be AJ's fault, it'll be yours you slippery bastard.

Fury said he would have been sued for $80 million if he dropped the belt and fought Joshua instead. He should have just took the rematch. He could have had a 3rd fight with Wilder done and a fight with Joshua.

It will be interesting how Wilder's body attack will work vs Fury. Smart move I think.

Julian Williams To Face Vladimir Hernandez On Fury-Wilder Undercard October 9

Julian Williams will encounter an opponent October 9 who pulled off an upset in his most recent fight.

Boxing Scene has learned Williams will battle Vladimir Hernandez in a 10-round bout that’ll be part of the Tyson Fury-Deontay Wilder undercard at T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas. Hernandez undoubtedly is an underdog against the former IBF/IBO/WBA 154-pound champion, but the Denver resident defeated favored Alfredo Angulo by unanimous decision in a 10-round super middleweight match that took place in August 2020 at Microsoft Theater in Los Angeles.

The 10-round bout between Philadelphia’s Williams (27-2-1, 16 KOs, 1 NC) and Hernandez (12-4, 6 KOs) will be televised by ESPN2, FS1, ESPN Deportes and FOX Deportes at 7 p.m. EDT. It’ll be followed by another 10-rounder in which hard-hitting, Brooklyn-based super middleweight Edgar Berlanga (17-0, 16 KOs) will square off against Argentina’s Marcelo Coceres (30-2-1, 16 KOs).

The Williams-Hernandez and Berlanga-Cocerces contests will air just before the ESPN/FOX Sports pay-per-view portion of the Fury-Wilder undercard starts at 9 p.m. EDT.

Hernandez took the fight against Angulo (26-8, 21 KOs) on extremely short notice. Barely 30 hours earlier, Angulo’s original opponent, former IBF 168-pound champ Caleb Truax, withdrew the day of the weigh-in for their 12-round IBF elimination match because he felt ill.

The 32-year-old Hernandez, a southpaw from Mexico, has not boxed since he upset Angulo a year ago. Though Hernandez has weighed in as a super middleweight for each of his past two fights, the 5-feet-7 veteran has competed mostly as a middleweight or junior middleweight during his 12-year pro career.

The 31-year-old Williams, meanwhile, will end an even longer layoff than Hernandez. The Philadelphia native hasn’t boxed since Jeison Rosario upset him by fifth-round technical knockout in January 2020 at Temple University’s Liacouras Center in Philadelphia.

The Dominican Republic’s Rosario (20-3-1, 14 KOs) was a 30-1 underdog entering his fight with Williams, who lost his three titles that night. Williams declined his contractual right to an immediate rematch versus Rosario in favor of surgery to repair scar tissue above both eyes.

Williams was supposed to box Brian Mendoza twice before he agreed to face Hernandez, first last December 26 in Los Angeles and again June 26 in Atlanta. Both bouts were scrapped, however, first because Williams contracted COVID-19 and again because Williams suffered an elbow injury.

Rather than rescheduling his fight with Williams again, Mendoza (19-2, 13 KOs) fought Jesus Ramos (17-0, 14 KOs), who out-boxed the Albuquerque, New Mexico, native and won a unanimous decision over him September 5 in a main event FOX televised from The Armory in Minneapolis.

566616 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 09:14

candyslim wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 06:34 Fury can say whatever TF he likes but it wasn't Anthony Joshua who pulled out of their unification. Joshua was visibly furious when the fight fell over and if that wasn't genuine then he's a better actor than he is a boxer.

Maybe Fury had no choice but to pull out, or maybe he could have put Wilder on ice, who knows, but this talk of doubting the fight will happen, "Joshua talks a good fight but is he really a boxing man?" sounds to me he is preparing his escape route.

I'm beginning to think Fury has no more intention of ever stepping in the ring with Joshua than Wilder had. Go back and watch his demeanour change when the unification got cancelled. He looked like a condemned man who just got told his innocence had been proven.

If you and Joshua never meet in the ring it won't be AJ's fault, it'll be yours you slippery bastard.

Fury said he would have been sued for $80 million if he dropped the belt and fought Joshua instead. He should have just took the rematch. He could have had a 3rd fight with Wilder done and a fight with Joshua.

It will be interesting how Wilder's body attack will work vs Fury. Smart move I think.

The way I heard it, US Law (dunno if that means federal or state in which case which state or states?) the arbitration decision would not be permitted to derail the unification due to the sum of money involved in the unification. I don't suppose that it was anticipated that ruling would be anywhere near the magniude of $80m how TF was that figure arrived at, on what planet was Fury v Wilder III ever going to generate that kind of money??? Do we even believe him?

People forget that not a peep was heard out of Wilder for at least six months after Fury humiliated him. Yes his team had indicated that he would exercise his option for the third fight immediately after losing but how long was Fury supposed to wait for him?

It was only when Fury said he was giving up waiting on Deontay and would be moving on with his career without him that Wilder suddenly came alive. I have little sympathy for either of them. Wilder has been an obstacle in the way of our seeing competitive heavyweight title fights for seven years now, in fact that is what I'll always remember him for.

As for Fury, I still have the last vestiges of patience and interest in him, but it's running out like dirty bathwater down the plughole and if Tyson Fury assured me that it was going to be 90 degrees in Vegas, I'd make sure to pack an overcoat.

candyslim wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 14:58

566616 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 09:14

candyslim wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 06:34 Fury can say whatever TF he likes but it wasn't Anthony Joshua who pulled out of their unification. Joshua was visibly furious when the fight fell over and if that wasn't genuine then he's a better actor than he is a boxer.

Maybe Fury had no choice but to pull out, or maybe he could have put Wilder on ice, who knows, but this talk of doubting the fight will happen, "Joshua talks a good fight but is he really a boxing man?" sounds to me he is preparing his escape route.

I'm beginning to think Fury has no more intention of ever stepping in the ring with Joshua than Wilder had. Go back and watch his demeanour change when the unification got cancelled. He looked like a condemned man who just got told his innocence had been proven.

If you and Joshua never meet in the ring it won't be AJ's fault, it'll be yours you slippery bastard.

Fury said he would have been sued for $80 million if he dropped the belt and fought Joshua instead. He should have just took the rematch. He could have had a 3rd fight with Wilder done and a fight with Joshua.

It will be interesting how Wilder's body attack will work vs Fury. Smart move I think.

The way I heard it, US Law (dunno if that means federal or state in which case which state or states?) the arbitration decision would not be permitted to derail the unification due to the sum of money involved in the unification. I don't suppose that it was anticipated that ruling would be anywhere near the magniude of $80m how TF was that figure arrived at, on what planet was Fury v Wilder III ever going to generate that kind of money??? Do we even believe him?

People forget that not a peep was heard out of Wilder for at least six months after Fury humiliated him. Yes his team had indicated that he would exercise his option for the third fight immediately after losing but how long was Fury supposed to wait for him?

It was only when Fury said he was giving up waiting on Deontay and would be moving on with his career without him that Wilder suddenly came alive. I have little sympathy for either of them. Wilder has been an obstacle in the way of our seeing competitive heavyweight title fights for seven years now, in fact that is what I'll always remember him for.

As for Fury, I still have the last vestiges of patience and interest in him, but it's running out like dirty bathwater down the plughole and if Tyson Fury assured me that it was going to be 90 degrees in Vegas, I'd make sure to pack an overcoat.

Please. Fury knew all along he had to abide by a rematch clause, or be sued for big bucks if he ducked it. Him negotiating with AJ for a fight in the meantime was stupid.

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 18:49

candyslim wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 14:58

566616 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 09:14

Fury said he would have been sued for $80 million if he dropped the belt and fought Joshua instead. He should have just took the rematch. He could have had a 3rd fight with Wilder done and a fight with Joshua.

It will be interesting how Wilder's body attack will work vs Fury. Smart move I think.

The way I heard it, US Law (dunno if that means federal or state in which case which state or states?) the arbitration decision would not be permitted to derail the unification due to the sum of money involved in the unification. I don't suppose that it was anticipated that ruling would be anywhere near the magniude of $80m how TF was that figure arrived at, on what planet was Fury v Wilder III ever going to generate that kind of money??? Do we even believe him?

People forget that not a peep was heard out of Wilder for at least six months after Fury humiliated him. Yes his team had indicated that he would exercise his option for the third fight immediately after losing but how long was Fury supposed to wait for him?

It was only when Fury said he was giving up waiting on Deontay and would be moving on with his career without him that Wilder suddenly came alive. I have little sympathy for either of them. Wilder has been an obstacle in the way of our seeing competitive heavyweight title fights for seven years now, in fact that is what I'll always remember him for.

As for Fury, I still have the last vestiges of patience and interest in him, but it's running out like dirty bathwater down the plughole and if Tyson Fury assured me that it was going to be 90 degrees in Vegas, I'd make sure to pack an overcoat.

Please. Fury knew all along he had to abide by a rematch clause, or be sued for big bucks if he ducked it. Him negotiating with AJ for a fight in the meantime was stupid.

Is Sulaiman not privvy to contracts involving the WBC title? He also gave the go ahead for undisputed

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 18:49

candyslim wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 14:58

566616 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2021, 09:14

Fury said he would have been sued for $80 million if he dropped the belt and fought Joshua instead. He should have just took the rematch. He could have had a 3rd fight with Wilder done and a fight with Joshua.

It will be interesting how Wilder's body attack will work vs Fury. Smart move I think.

The way I heard it, US Law (dunno if that means federal or state in which case which state or states?) the arbitration decision would not be permitted to derail the unification due to the sum of money involved in the unification. I don't suppose that it was anticipated that ruling would be anywhere near the magniude of $80m how TF was that figure arrived at, on what planet was Fury v Wilder III ever going to generate that kind of money??? Do we even believe him?

People forget that not a peep was heard out of Wilder for at least six months after Fury humiliated him. Yes his team had indicated that he would exercise his option for the third fight immediately after losing but how long was Fury supposed to wait for him?

It was only when Fury said he was giving up waiting on Deontay and would be moving on with his career without him that Wilder suddenly came alive. I have little sympathy for either of them. Wilder has been an obstacle in the way of our seeing competitive heavyweight title fights for seven years now, in fact that is what I'll always remember him for.

As for Fury, I still have the last vestiges of patience and interest in him, but it's running out like dirty bathwater down the plughole and if Tyson Fury assured me that it was going to be 90 degrees in Vegas, I'd make sure to pack an overcoat.

Please. Fury knew all along he had to abide by a rematch clause, or be sued for big bucks if he ducked it. Him negotiating with AJ for a fight in the meantime was stupid.

Maybe so but like I said (although I can't attest to the truth of that) US Law would not have allowed the arbitration decision to prevent the unification from going ahead, because it would have caused significant financial hardship to Fury and to Joshua. That doesn't mean Fury would not still have an obligation to fight Wilder after that.

Second point: See how relieved and delighted Fury looked in the very short time between the ruling being reported and the announcement that Fury would be fighting Wilder instead. I believe he chose to fight Wilder rather than he was forced to fight Wilder.

Some might say that was a sound business decision (if he and Joshua both win their imminent fights) but all this bollocks about the fight with AJ not ever happening - "Is he (AJ) really a boxing man?", well he must think we are all stupid beyond belief. If the fight never happens it'll be because Fury doesn't fancy the job.

@Finkel: Sulaiman did sanction the unification but I guess he too has to stand in line behind Uncle Sam.

Are there some actual footage of Fury training ?

cant wait for wilder-fury 4 next year, i bet aj is so jealous of what deontay and tyson have together

lets all have a circle jerk about how aj's on the outside looking in

incredible that there are still plenty tickets for sale only a few weeks until the fight .

Dont you boys believe in your man Wilder !

stevec@france wrote: ↑22 Sep 2021, 08:03 incredible that there are still plenty tickets for sale only a few weeks until the fight .

Dont you boys believe in your man Wilder !

Plenty of people are probably doubting if Fury actually shows up. If he does, I'll be surprised.

he is in the US now apparently .

Bandog wrote: ↑22 Sep 2021, 08:47

stevec@france wrote: ↑22 Sep 2021, 08:03 incredible that there are still plenty tickets for sale only a few weeks until the fight .

Dont you boys believe in your man Wilder !

Plenty of people are probably doubting if Fury actually shows up. If he does, I'll be surprised.

ya, gonna duck the guy he pounded 60-52 and knocked out.