Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 13:56
by bigjack
MightyWarrior wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 13:54
That’s a hell of a shot Usyk takes there to be fair, looks promising, but you never know…Not sure how he is mandatory, I mean beating Dell boy ? come on, the guys got 11 losses he’s a journey man, he’s not really proved anything at heavyweight yet.
I'm pretty sure a champion for the WBO in a lower division becomes mandatory if he moves up in weight regardless
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
MightyWarrior wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 13:54
That’s a hell of a shot Usyk takes there to be fair, looks promising, but you never know…Not sure how he is mandatory, I mean beating Dell boy ? come on, the guys got 11 losses he’s a journey man, he’s not really proved anything at heavyweight yet.
I'm pretty sure a champion for the WBO in a lower division becomes mandatory if he moves up in weight regardless
And he has been waiting a long time for this.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
He is quick on his feet and moves very well, I'm not sure if Joshua will be able to land clean a lot even despite the reach advantage. Joshua couldn't drop Takam, Parker, Ruiz, so my guess is that Usyk can withstand his power too. Chisora couldn't hurt him more than CW's Briedis and Gassiev.
AJ’s landed clean on everyone he’s fought. He did drop Takam albeit it was just his glove that hit the deck and he dropped Ruiz in their first fight. He didn’t seem to go for it against Parker and rightly, even though Ruiz was obese, kept out of range in the Ruiz rematch.
Chisora didn’t land much/if anything on Usyk and is pretty crude. AJ has mixed, and won, at a much higher level. Povetkin was in good form against him and after a handful of close rounds he was caught properly.
I’m not saying Usyk doesn’t have a good chin or won’t be able to take one of AJ’s big shots - im just saying we don’t know yet and the fact that he could take a fairly big punching Cruiser’s shots doesn’t prove loads to me.
How hard do you think Gassiev hits?
I think he hits pretty hard for a cruiser. Not Haye power but he’s a spiteful puncher that’s accurate. From memory he seemed to work people over with combinations rather than having people Ko’d with one punch.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Yeah. It was a very hard punch from a cuiserweight though. Will be interesting to see if he can take one from a very hard hitting heavy with good ability.
He is quick on his feet and moves very well, I'm not sure if Joshua will be able to land clean a lot even despite the reach advantage. Joshua couldn't drop Takam, Parker, Ruiz, so my guess is that Usyk can withstand his power too. Chisora couldn't hurt him more than CW's Briedis and Gassiev.
AJ’s landed clean on everyone he’s fought.
Meh, he didn’t land much on (eg) Parker, in fact he didn’t let his hands go much as Parker was pre-emoting him with a lot of quite good head movement. It’s not inconceivable Usyk’s footwork would manage a similar effect.
Not that that necessarily means Usyk wins, but a fight in which (eg) like Parker he loses but doesn’t take much, wouldn’t surprise me.
I’ve always had Joshua significant favourite in my own eyes but I can see why people make the argument for Usyk.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
He is quick on his feet and moves very well, I'm not sure if Joshua will be able to land clean a lot even despite the reach advantage. Joshua couldn't drop Takam, Parker, Ruiz, so my guess is that Usyk can withstand his power too. Chisora couldn't hurt him more than CW's Briedis and Gassiev.
AJ’s landed clean on everyone he’s fought.
Meh, he didn’t land much on (eg) Parker, in fact he didn’t let his hands go much as Parker was pre-emoting him with a lot of quite good head movement. It’s not inconceivable Usyk’s footwork would manage a similar effect.
Not that that necessarily means Usyk wins, but a fight in which (eg) like Parker he loses but doesn’t take much, wouldn’t surprise me.
I’ve always had Joshua significant favourite in my own eyes but I can see why people make the argument for Usyk.
I agree with your assessment of the fight.
AJ landed on Parker but just didn’t throw much as he didn’t need to. I think he’ll need to throw more against Usyk - particularly if Usyk is winning nor nicking the rounds.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 14:46
by Cent0089
Surprised Usyk got a cheers from public ....is he any popular in UK ?
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 14:49
by Cent0089
This will be a good fight. It can end various ways. Fans did not realize how hard is to outbox Joshua, on the other side, they underestimating Usyk punching power. Joshua UD and Usyk KO are just as probable as Joshua KO and Usyk UD. Fights like this is what boxing and especially heavyweight need
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 14:49
by KiwiRider
Cent0089 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 14:46
Surprised Usyk got a cheers from public ....is he any popular in UK ?
It's probably a little tall poppy syndrome, and also Uysk has gradually won people (me included) over.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Cent0089 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 14:46
Surprised Usyk got a cheers from public ....is he any popular in UK ?
It's probably a little tall poppy syndrome, and also Uysk has gradually won people (me included) over.
My english is not perfect, what this mean ?
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 14:57
by Caractacus
I notice they mention John L. Sullivan at the weigh-in.
and as John L. Sullivan wrote in his autobiography
"The Bigger They Are........The Heavier They Fall "
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 15:00
by Bard of Boxrec
How’s Usyk supposed to win this? Brawl?
He’s going to have to get in and out with his pitty patting shots for 12 rounds without getting hit continuously with an uppercut and while continually evading AJ’s jab
Good luck with that
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
It's probably a little tall poppy syndrome, and also Uysk has gradually won people (me included) over.
My english is not perfect, what this mean ?
It means that sometimes when someone is very successful, people want to cut them down
Aaah thank you, just improved my english skills cant wait for the fight
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 15:10
by KiwiRider
Bard of Boxrec wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 15:00
How’s Usyk supposed to win this? Brawl?
He’s going to have to get in and out with his pitty patting shots for 12 rounds without getting hit continuously with an uppercut and while continually evading AJ’s jab
Good luck with that
My thoughts are that making Joshua work hard and waiting for him to gas is an option. Uysk has a good ring IQ and an excellent team (they both do) around him. There has to be a plan, and you have seen how laid back Uysk is, so you know that he has confidence going into this.
I don't know if that confidence is unfounded, but even just being confident is s good start. Of course that could change after Uysk eats half a dozen of AJ's power jabs, who knows.
When this fight was made, I was 100% AJ bossing this fight, right now I don't know. I'm old enough to feel the same vibe when Holyfield won a HW strap.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
AJ’s landed clean on everyone he’s fought. He did drop Takam albeit it was just his glove that hit the deck and he dropped Ruiz in their first fight. He didn’t seem to go for it against Parker and rightly, even though Ruiz was obese, kept out of range in the Ruiz rematch.
Chisora didn’t land much/if anything on Usyk and is pretty crude. AJ has mixed, and won, at a much higher level. Povetkin was in good form against him and after a handful of close rounds he was caught properly.
I’m not saying Usyk doesn’t have a good chin or won’t be able to take one of AJ’s big shots - im just saying we don’t know yet and the fact that he could take a fairly big punching Cruiser’s shots doesn’t prove loads to me.
How hard do you think Gassiev hits?
I think he hits pretty hard for a cruiser. Not Haye power but he’s a spiteful puncher that’s accurate. From memory he seemed to work people over with combinations rather than having people Ko’d with one punch.
Gassiev is a beast at HW.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Cent0089 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 14:46
Surprised Usyk got a cheers from public ....is he any popular in UK ?
It's probably a little tall poppy syndrome, and also Uysk has gradually won people (me included) over.
Yeah. Usyk is a fun character, likeable and a very good fighter.
Hope he wins. We shall see.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 16:14
by JamesPhilips
Interesting first 2 minutes
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 16:50
by peter barlow
Bought this on Sky. Its pricey and undercard is gash but didn't want to chance firestick not working for main event.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 16:55
by peter barlow
Also threw a few quid on Usyk by KO/TKO @ 15/2, which is pretty good value I feel. The noises from team Usyk are good. That said Joshua by KO is the most likely outcome I reckon, but its hard to call this with certainty.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
Posted: 24 Sep 2021, 16:57
by JamesPhilips
peter barlow wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 16:50
Bought this on Sky. Its pricey and undercard is gash but didn't want to chance firestick not working for main event.
Me too. But have to get it through Now app. Unfortunately my internet is very unstable at the moment!
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
peter barlow wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 16:50
Bought this on Sky. Its pricey and undercard is gash but didn't want to chance firestick not working for main event.
Me too. But have to get it through Now app. Unfortunately my internet is very unstable at the moment!
Its the first PPV I've bought in years , I'll probably get Fury Wilder also, good undercard on it too.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
peter barlow wrote: ↑24 Sep 2021, 16:50
Bought this on Sky. Its pricey and undercard is gash but didn't want to chance firestick not working for main event.
Me too. But have to get it through Now app. Unfortunately my internet is very unstable at the moment!
Its the first PPV I've bought in years , I'll probably get Fury Wilder also, good undercard on it too.
I have to shamefully admit I buy any half decent PPV
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
I think he hits pretty hard for a cruiser. Not Haye power but he’s a spiteful puncher that’s accurate. From memory he seemed to work people over with combinations rather than having people Ko’d with one punch.
Gassiev is a beast at HW.
Respectfully disagree. I think he’ll be a fringe contender at heavyweight.
Re: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021
I think he hits pretty hard for a cruiser. Not Haye power but he’s a spiteful puncher that’s accurate. From memory he seemed to work people over with combinations rather than having people Ko’d with one punch.
Gassiev is a beast at HW.
Respectfully disagree. I think he’ll be a fringe contender at heavyweight.
To be honest, Hunter is easily top 10, so I can see Gassiev being capable of beating everyone there (except the very top guys, of course). He is still young.
what this mean ?