golden_labrador wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 05:39
strip him of the belts and start a free-for-all
Fury only has one belt.
WBC heavyweight + WBC Riyadh Champion = 2 belts, to be even more pedantic
The use of plural and the phrase ‘free for all’ lead me to believe that you thought Fury had more than one title to be stripped of.
The Riyadh belt is a trophy rather than a championship that can be defended, similarly the white belt that was awarded after the Whyte contest.
Whilst I agree that Fury should be stripped of the title, it opens up an opportunity for two boxers, not a feeding frenzy for multiple belts.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 12:11
by rd350lc
We can take solace in the fact we didn't have to listen to out of tune singing I suppose. Hopefully never again .
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
WBC heavyweight + WBC Riyadh Champion = 2 belts, to be even more pedantic
The use of plural and the phrase ‘free for all’ lead me to believe that you thought Fury had more than one title to be stripped of.
The Riyadh belt is a trophy rather than a championship that can be defended, similarly the white belt that was awarded after the Whyte contest.
Whilst I agree that Fury should be stripped of the title, it opens up an opportunity for two boxers, not a feeding frenzy for multiple belts.
I submit
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 12:35
by golden_labrador
don't know if anyone has put forth this unlikely conspiracy theory, but I was wondering this morning in the gym about if there was originally a script they were going to play to, and Ngannou decided at the last moment to just ignore it (either an hour or so before the fight started or else during the fight itself).
is this too far fetched? what if all kinds of stuff was going on behind the scenes in the lead up to this fight?
Fury's team were going to control the narrative and have a comfortable WWE story and then Francis decided farrk it.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 12:48
by DrDuke
Fury underestimated Ngannou and underprepared himself, but he edged the fight.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 12:50
by Glass Joe
golden_labrador wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 12:35
don't know if anyone has put forth this unlikely conspiracy theory, but I was wondering this morning in the gym about if there was originally a script they were going to play to, and Ngannou decided at the last moment to just ignore it (either an hour or so before the fight started or else during the fight itself).
is this too far fetched? what if all kinds of stuff was going on behind the scenes in the lead up to this fight?
Fury's team were going to control the narrative and have a comfortable WWE story and then Francis decided farrk it.
i think it was more of a case that they expected francis to be crap and gas and fury would cruise to victory. Bit of humble pie for making that fight in the first fight. It was a lose lose last night. Fury ruined his legacy last night unless Ngannou goes onto beat Wilder, Usyk etc. (highly unlikely) I agree with Froch that corruption had Fury winning it was like when Sturm beat Delahoya but Vegas gave it to Delahoya for the Hopkins fight.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 12:54
by goose 5
Just saw it-Fury deserved it but I'm glad I didn't buy the ppv; lousy bout.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 13:17
by jwfg
DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 12:48
Fury underestimated Ngannou and underprepared himself, but he edged the fight.
How do you know he underprepared?
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 13:18
by polecateddy
I think this fight revealed that the later stage version of Fury doesn’t work against fighters who can’t bully, lean on and who ignore his faints. He’s been a pro since 2008, but has not had to face many top level fighters, or many styles. There’s an awful lot of padding on that record. And a lot of rust it seems now and lack of conditioning. I don’t think at 35 there’s any coming back. There will likely be an awful lot of noise and pretending he’s coming back. I think really he’s done and he’ll work that out pretty quickly in the gym.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 12:48
Fury underestimated Ngannou and underprepared himself, but he edged the fight.
How do you know he underprepared?
He looked slower, less coordinated and clueless than usually, while Ngannou didn't really suggest anything special, he came forward primitively and relied on his powah.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
He looked slower, less coordinated and clueless than usually
Maybe he's just not very good any more.
The fighters who achieved that longevity like Hopkins and Wlad or whoever else are generally fitness fanatics. If you go stop/start, get fat and thinner, train/don’t train in your mid-30’s you’ll lose a lot more athleticism than if you have some sort of constant approach. That is actually a sports science truth! I think Fury has basically fecked himself at this point!
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 12:48
Fury underestimated Ngannou and underprepared himself, but he edged the fight.
How do you know he underprepared?
Lazy narrative that's been constant since last night, he said himself he's been in camp for 12 weeks, fact is Fury should be able to get off the couch to dispatch Ngannou
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 14:05
by margaret thatcher
people saying he struggled cuz he's out of shape, but how did that get him dropped in round 3? he wasnt looking gassed that early. he was doing h is standard stuff.
id expect the top hw to beat an 0-0 opponent handily even being well off form
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 14:07
by gilgamesh
Watching the fight back today I think you guys blew Ngannou's success in the fight out of proportion a bit.
Through 7 rounds Fury has won them all except the won he went down in as far as I'm seeing.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 14:08
by margaret thatcher
gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 14:07
Watching the fight back today I think you guys blew Ngannou's success in the fight out of proportion a bit.
Through 7 rounds Fury has won them all except the won he went down in as far as I'm seeing.
ya masterful timid, powerless air jabbing from tyson
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
gilgamesh wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 14:07
Watching the fight back today I think you guys blew Ngannou's success in the fight out of proportion a bit.
Through 7 rounds Fury has won them all except the won he went down in as far as I'm seeing.
ya masterful timid, powerless air jabbing from tyson
Fury's not dominating by any means, but he's getting the better of most of them rounds. Ngannou definitely took the 8th.
But yeah that's where Fury comes off looking so bad. Every one of us suspected it'd be a complete farce of a fight, and Ngannou had no chance at all. The fact that he held his own, well that all by itself makes Fury look like a loser.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 14:34
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 14:40
by Glass Joe
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Posted: 29 Oct 2023, 15:08
by Twinkle Toes
handsofstone wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 14:01
Lazy narrative that's been constant since last night, he said himself he's been in camp for 12 weeks, fact is Fury should be able to get off the couch to dispatch Ngannou
I think people are finding it hard to understand he's probbaly shot. It happens, we've seen it so many times. Fury was always going to pay for his out of ring shenanigans at some point.
Just happenend to be to a pro debutant.
Re: Round-by-Round: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou - 28th October 2023
Ricky wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 08:22
The judges that gave that fight to Fury are contemptible. Absolutely everything was loaded against the guy, he's coming into boxing from a different sport, making a debut against an unbeaten (lol) HW champion, and in an officially sanctioned 10-rounder not some exhibition.
Not only did he outbox him, he held the centre of the ring the entire fight, countered Fury falling in, landed the most significant shots, made Fury fight his fight, and sat him on his arse.
Yet those 2 paid-for puppets ringside still robbed the guy out a truly ATG sporting triumph just to keep on their own gravy train. It's deplorable.
Boxing is scored in a round by round basis. If you won more rounds you win. Ngannou was breathing out of his mouth from rounds 5-10 and only threw punches in the 8th, which was a big round for him. But rounds 5, 6 ,7, 9, 10 were clearly edged by Tyson. So you'd have to give Ngannou 4 of the first 5 for him to win. Maybe you can argue Nganou won the 5th tbf.
Ngannou won his round 3 and 8th, much much bigger than anything Fury did. But the fight scoring doesn't account for that.
What was it you seen Fury do exactly? He was falling in, setting traps that Francis wasn't buying, and landed very very few eye catching shots. He looked, timid, scared, and kept touching his face like he had tourretes.
