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Welcome Randy.
Im looking forward to your contributions.
Your friends who post here are outstanding guys.
Birds of a feather...

Randyman wrote:Randy, you're much to kind, but nice to have you here, maybe we can get some of the guys here to post at your web site.

Well, for what it's worth, I consider you my mentor in all things boxing. Hope you don't mind.
Randy

Hell no, I don't mind at all....

Expug wrote:Welcome Randy.
Im looking forward to your contributions.
Your friends who post here are outstanding guys.
Birds of a feather...

Thanks Pug, glad to be here. All of you guys have a passion for boxing. My kinda guys! What a great site.
Randy

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:Randy, you're much to kind, but nice to have you here, maybe we can get some of the guys here to post at your web site.

Well, for what it's worth, I consider you my mentor in all things boxing. Hope you don't mind.
Randy

Hell no, I don't mind at all....

Thanks!

I gotta go for my walk but I'll be back. Later guys, and thanks!

kikibalt wrote:

Expug wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Dagos is right.
These old programs are great.
Man, looking at the tale of the tape for Bolanos, the guys forearms measured 14 and a half.
Bigger than his biceps.
He must have been like Popeye.
Helluva puncher I bet.

Pug,

Bolanos was in imo a boxer-puncher, good boxer when he had too, and punch when the opening was there, I have this 1948 fight between Williams and Bolanos on dvd. but it only show 1-2 minutes per round.

I should also say that I was there for that 1948 fight, I also seen the other two Williams vs Bolanos fights live.

Frank, do you know if the Parnassus son in the picture is the fellow who became a Catholic monsignor?

raylawpc wrote:Frank, do you know if the Parnassus son in the picture is the fellow who became a Catholic monsignor?

Not sure Tom, I'll try to fine out and let you know.

Randyman wrote:

Expug wrote:Welcome Randy.
Im looking forward to your contributions.
Your friends who post here are outstanding guys.
Birds of a feather...

Thanks Pug, glad to be here. All of you guys have a passion for boxing. My kinda guys! What a great site.
Randy

Randy,

This is by no means a great forum, to many nuts on this site, most of us here on this thread stay away for the rest of the threads, beware!

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:Roger, thanks for the kind words, I'll pass them along to Ed. Ed and his son Ed Jr. ran the PAL gym in Ontario before it closed a few years ago. He has a passion for boxing. It was nice meeting you at Mando's service. if I had realize it was you that painted those pictures I would have said something. great artwork.
Randy De La O

Randy, would you and your wife like to join us (Frank, Connie, Roger, his wife and my wife, father & a few friends) at this years World Boxing HOF banquet? If so, let me know ([email protected]) and I'll see you get a couple seats to my table. I'll take care of everything, when I get the tickets I'll send you a couple. All of our old amigos will be there including John Bardelli, son of Young Firpo, whom we are inducting this year. Bardelli would love to meet you, as I would again after so many years.

By the way, Randy, your blog has become my favorite site to stay up on what's going on at the moment in boxing, as well as L.A.'s past. I enjoyed your coverage on this week's Margarito-Cotto match. Viva Margarito!


-Rick Farris

That would be great Rick. It's been thirty-two years since we've seen each other. One of the last time I saw you we went to Pinnacle Peak Steakhouse in San Dimas, in 1976. It was you and I, Mel and Kam Nelson's father, I can't recall his name. I remember I had a Porterhouse Steak with baked potato the size of a football.

Yes, I would like to but with a caveat. I'll email you. I'd like to meet John as well, we emailed each other briefly a while back. By the way, do you have any photos of Mel?

Thanks
Randy

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Expug wrote:Welcome Randy.
Im looking forward to your contributions.
Your friends who post here are outstanding guys.
Birds of a feather...

Thanks Pug, glad to be here. All of you guys have a passion for boxing. My kinda guys! What a great site.
Randy

Randy,

This is by no means a great forum, to many nuts on this site, most of us here on this thread stay away for the rest of the threads, beware!

Man, I'm used to being around nuts. but I'll keep my eyes open.
Randy

Randyman wrote:Thanks Pug, glad to be here. All of you guys have a passion for boxing. My kinda guys! What a great site.
Randy

Randy,

This is by no means a great forum, to many nuts on this site, most of us here on this thread stay away for the rest of the threads, beware!

Man, I'm used to being around nuts. but I'll keep my eyes open.
Randy

I know you will, just wanted to give you a head-up.

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:Thanks Pug, glad to be here. All of you guys have a passion for boxing. My kinda guys! What a great site.
Randy

Randy,

This is by no means a great forum, to many nuts on this site, most of us here on this thread stay away for the rest of the threads, beware!

Man, I'm used to being around nuts. but I'll keep my eyes open.
Randy

I know you will, just wanted to give you a head-up.

I've browsed around here and this thread has them all beat. Hands down.

Jack Root and Billy Peacock

dagosd2000 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Frank
Like many of the regulars on the West Coast thread,I think the programs that you post on this site are the best snapshots that the fan can learn how the "feel" was like in the '50's.Not only about boxing,but how America had a honest toughness . I know there are a lot of books about the history of boxing. Anthologies,"ghost written" autobiographies. Biographies as well. But the best stuff in my book that tells the story of boxing is reading the old columns in the papers. The old Ring Magazines and The Sporting News are good examples.Your old fight programs are classics .They have a swagger.a rough style. Big and loud. Man's reading.

I know many American writers honed their teeth reading about boxing in the papers and the sports journals of the period.The old Ring Magazines with writers like Nat Fleischer and Sam Taub(Up And Down Old Broadway).Fighters and referess would have a column. I remember reading stuff by Tony Zale and Ruby Goldstein. They brought their "day" with them when they told a story. I know Hemingway,Lardner,Jack London,Damon Runyan,and O'Henry formed a lot af their style of writing from reading the old sports writers. It was an era of boxing,baseball,and horse racing. Those old reporters and announcers were THE BEST. We get a taste of that again when you post those old boxing programs.

Larry Merrchant,Howard,Jim Lampley,you guys could have learned how to write and tell a story about the Sweet Science by learning from the old timers. Instead you really wanted to talk about yourselves.

Well written and so true. Larry Merchant has lost all perspective. This sentence say's it all "They have a swagger.a rough style. Big and loud. Man's reading.". Now I know I'm in the right place.
Randy

Well, the grandkids just came in. Time to go.
Randy

Randyman wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Frank
Like many of the regulars on the West Coast thread,I think the programs that you post on this site are the best snapshots that the fan can learn how the "feel" was like in the '50's.Not only about boxing,but how America had a honest toughness . I know there are a lot of books about the history of boxing. Anthologies,"ghost written" autobiographies. Biographies as well. But the best stuff in my book that tells the story of boxing is reading the old columns in the papers. The old Ring Magazines and The Sporting News are good examples.Your old fight programs are classics .They have a swagger.a rough style. Big and loud. Man's reading.

I know many American writers honed their teeth reading about boxing in the papers and the sports journals of the period.The old Ring Magazines with writers like Nat Fleischer and Sam Taub(Up And Down Old Broadway).Fighters and referess would have a column. I remember reading stuff by Tony Zale and Ruby Goldstein. They brought their "day" with them when they told a story. I know Hemingway,Lardner,Jack London,Damon Runyan,and O'Henry formed a lot af their style of writing from reading the old sports writers. It was an era of boxing,baseball,and horse racing. Those old reporters and announcers were THE BEST. We get a taste of that again when you post those old boxing programs.

Larry Merrchant,Howard,Jim Lampley,you guys could have learned how to write and tell a story about the Sweet Science by learning from the old timers. Instead you really wanted to talk about yourselves.

Well written and so true. Larry Merchant has lost all perspective. This sentence say's it all "They have a swagger.a rough style. Big and loud. Man's reading.". Now I know I'm in the right place.
Randy

Randy,

Thats diego for you, like you and Rick he is a good writer, I don't write but I do read everything you guys write.

Randyman wrote:Well, the grandkids just came in. Time to go.
Randy

Yeah! I'm pass my bed time, so of to bed I go....

Randyman wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:You hear sometimes that the United States didn't have a culture. Europeans like to make those statements. Well in the 20th Century it was the United States that had more culture than Europe. Two world wars devasted that continent.After 1919 and then after 1945,Europe was trying so hard to recover that there wasn't much time forthe arts. Many of their artists,musicians,film makers,and writers came to America.

It was OUR films,musical scores,jazz,popular songs(that had lyrics Shakespeare would have admired),novelists and poets that were the benchmark of the 20th Century. But after WW II we started a subtle decline. Again war was the culprit. Coming out of a war erodes the the culture of a society. Vietnam smashed the door down. The younger crowd,the post Vietnam generation that was born into the culture we have today,never saw the last of the "Golden Days". The 50's and early 60's.

When Frank posts those old programs,he's showing us the last of a good era.When you read the articles,it is not only a nostalgic look into our past,but a representation of quality American writing.

Rog, you might even say the Europeans have culture courtesy of the USA. Like you, I look back somewhat sadly at the decline of our culture, but I still believe that we can pull through. There's a reason everybody and their brother are clamoring to get in, and it ain't the cheese.

Frank has to be considered the number one West Coast boxing historian, internet or otherwise. Whenever i think he has exhausted his supply of photos, magazine covers and articles, he'll post another.
Thanks, Frank and Rog for turning me on to this site. What an education just browsing through here.

Randy
I forgot to ask you this the other day. Zapata's number one general in his army was De La O. Any relation to him?

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:You hear sometimes that the United States didn't have a culture. Europeans like to make those statements. Well in the 20th Century it was the United States that had more culture than Europe. Two world wars devasted that continent.After 1919 and then after 1945,Europe was trying so hard to recover that there wasn't much time forthe arts. Many of their artists,musicians,film makers,and writers came to America.

It was OUR films,musical scores,jazz,popular songs(that had lyrics Shakespeare would have admired),novelists and poets that were the benchmark of the 20th Century. But after WW II we started a subtle decline. Again war was the culprit. Coming out of a war erodes the the culture of a society. Vietnam smashed the door down. The younger crowd,the post Vietnam generation that was born into the culture we have today,never saw the last of the "Golden Days". The 50's and early 60's.

When Frank posts those old programs,he's showing us the last of a good era.When you read the articles,it is not only a nostalgic look into our past,but a representation of quality American writing.

Rog, you might even say the Europeans have culture courtesy of the USA. Like you, I look back somewhat sadly at the decline of our culture, but I still believe that we can pull through. There's a reason everybody and their brother are clamoring to get in, and it ain't the cheese.

Frank has to be considered the number one West Coast boxing historian, internet or otherwise. Whenever i think he has exhausted his supply of photos, magazine covers and articles, he'll post another.
Thanks, Frank and Rog for turning me on to this site. What an education just browsing through here.

Randy, you're much to kind, but nice to have you here, maybe we can get some of the guys here to post at your web site.

How about Ed Hernandez and Ed Jr. ?

I remember I sat next to Mickey Davies ringside at the Coliseum in Dago Town. He was putting together the matches down here too. i got there a little early. Mickey was in and out of his seat like a Jack In The Box. Finally the first prelim fighters are in the ring scuffin' their shoes in the rosin box. I don't know Mickey,but he turns to me.
"I lost the 6 round prelim.Tucker calls me to say he got thrown in jail."
I guess Mickey had to get it off his chest,and I was the closest in range.
"Never had a card go off as planned."
I know Mickey liked a drink,but I couldn't tell if his red face was caused by Mr. Bushmill or the frustration of having one of his fighters calling to say he couldn't make bail.
"He's over in Phoenix. If he was here,I'd call King Stahlman."
Mickey gets up again and runs to the dressing room at the side of the aisle. It's a full house. Davies knows that the law says if there ain't enough rounds on the card the fans can go to the ticket window and get their money back. I'd seen it happen before. Mickey gets back to his seat. Now I smell Mr. Bushmill.
"Can you believe Gonzalez wants more money?"
I think he's gonna' have a heart attack and I had to be sleeping during CPR class at school.
"I told him there's another 50 in it ,if you go out there."
"What he say?"
As long as he was getting the same money as Garcia,he was OK with it."
"Well?"
"I lied. I said him and Garcia would draw the same money.Garcia's take will still be 50 ahead of him."
Davies looked a little calmer now. The bell for the 4 rounder started things off. The arena was full. And Davies didn't have to climb into the ring to say there weren't enough rounds on the card.

The 4 rounder is pretty dull. I'm about to make a move to go to the refreshment stand when Davies all of a sudden is trying to break a world's record running towards the dressing room. He disappears and then returns huffin' and puffin'. I'm thinkin' I shouldn't have fallen asleep in that CPR class.
"Can you believe that guy,?" Mickey says to me trying to catch his breath. "Gonzalez's manager is Garcia's managers cousin. Gonzalez's manager wanted to know how much Renato was makin' tonight."
"What did you do."
"I handed over another 50 bucks to make it even."

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:Well, the grandkids just came in. Time to go.
Randy

Yeah! I'm pass my bed time, so of to bed I go....

Randy,we get this all the time. Frank tells us he's going nighty night. I think he wants one of us to tuck him in.

You're the new guy on the thread.

dagosd2000 wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Frank
Like many of the regulars on the West Coast thread,I think the programs that you post on this site are the best snapshots that the fan can learn how the "feel" was like in the '50's.Not only about boxing,but how America had a honest toughness . I know there are a lot of books about the history of boxing. Anthologies,"ghost written" autobiographies. Biographies as well. But the best stuff in my book that tells the story of boxing is reading the old columns in the papers. The old Ring Magazines and The Sporting News are good examples.Your old fight programs are classics .They have a swagger.a rough style. Big and loud. Man's reading.

I know many American writers honed their teeth reading about boxing in the papers and the sports journals of the period.The old Ring Magazines with writers like Nat Fleischer and Sam Taub(Up And Down Old Broadway).Fighters and referess would have a column. I remember reading stuff by Tony Zale and Ruby Goldstein. They brought their "day" with them when they told a story. I know Hemingway,Lardner,Jack London,Damon Runyan,and O'Henry formed a lot af their style of writing from reading the old sports writers. It was an era of boxing,baseball,and horse racing. Those old reporters and announcers were THE BEST. We get a taste of that again when you post those old boxing programs.

Larry Merrchant,Howard,Jim Lampley,you guys could have learned how to write and tell a story about the Sweet Science by learning from the old timers. Instead you really



Roger, you're right. Today's ringside announcers & boxing writers are a sad lot. They put no emotion or humanity in their writing, just facts & figures. Sadly, everybody who has watched a few HBO/showtime fights on TV considerrs themselves a "historian." In reality, most are moderatly educated fans, who have no clue what really goes on in the ring. Most of today's so-called "trainers" would have been kicked out of any Eastside L.A. backyard gym a few decades back. Many have NEVER actually tied on a club and competed. How would they know what to tell a young boxer. "Keep your hands up?", "Jab?" , what they know about a jab they learned listening to the wisdom of a Jim Lampley. They laugh at us on a thread like this, because these pretenders are raking in money, spreading nothing but crap. Look at today's sad, sad, heavyweight division. But let's get back to the writers. Every major boxing publication isn't worth the paper it's printed on, in fact, it deserves no better place in my house than lining for the bottom of my wifes parrot cage. What boring, unoriginal CRAP! Nothing discriptive, they just try to tell you what you already watched, this guy won the first round, that guy one the second . . . and one guy got floored in this round . . and on and on. Antonio Tarver is great because he KOed a guy who HBO promoted as the best ever. Shit, that Florida bum (both of them) should be shot for impersonating an all-time great and the idiots that promoted them imprisoned as an accessory to the crime. Sadly, kids watch today, and they believe what they are seeing is real.

In a future post, I might come out and say how I really feel . . . aside from that guys, have a great day!

-Rick

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Expug wrote:Welcome Randy.
Im looking forward to your contributions.
Your friends who post here are outstanding guys.
Birds of a feather...

Thanks Pug, glad to be here. All of you guys have a passion for boxing. My kinda guys! What a great site.
Randy

Randy,

This is by no means a great forum, to many nuts on this site, most of us here on this thread stay away for the rest of the threads, beware!

AMEN, Frank!!!! Randy, once in awhile one strays into our barrio, and when they do, we deal with them quickly and they run off with their tails between their legs. They aren't a courageous lot.

-Rick

Randyman wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:Roger, thanks for the kind words, I'll pass them along to Ed. Ed and his son Ed Jr. ran the PAL gym in Ontario before it closed a few years ago. He has a passion for boxing. It was nice meeting you at Mando's service. if I had realize it was you that painted those pictures I would have said something. great artwork.
Randy De La O

Randy, would you and your wife like to join us (Frank, Connie, Roger, his wife and my wife, father & a few friends) at this years World Boxing HOF banquet? If so, let me know ([email protected]) and I'll see you get a couple seats to my table. I'll take care of everything, when I get the tickets I'll send you a couple. All of our old amigos will be there including John Bardelli, son of Young Firpo, whom we are inducting this year. Bardelli would love to meet you, as I would again after so many years.

By the way, Randy, your blog has become my favorite site to stay up on what's going on at the moment in boxing, as well as L.A.'s past. I enjoyed your coverage on this week's Margarito-Cotto match. Viva Margarito!


-Rick Farris

That would be great Rick. It's been thirty-two years since we've seen each other. One of the last time I saw you we went to Pinnacle Peak Steakhouse in San Dimas, in 1976. It was you and I, Mel and Kam Nelson's father, I can't recall his name. I remember I had a Porterhouse Steak with baked potato the size of a football.

Yes, I would like to but with a caveat. I'll email you. I'd like to meet John as well, we emailed each other briefly a while back. By the way, do you have any photos of Mel?

Thanks
Randy

Randy- Yes, I remember that day. Mel always would get upset there becasue he liked his salad served on a chilled plate! He also didn't understand why people with ties weren't welcome, they'd cut off the tie with scissors when they gave their order and tack it up on the wall. Yes, I do have a couple shots of Mel, I'll find 'em and send them to Frank to post for us. I'm very happy you have joined us. It's funny, I used to laugh at Mel, and how he'd always say fighters from "his era" were better. Now
I understand. Suey Welch & Parnassus used to refer to Mel as "Ginsberg", later I'd learn that was actress Estelle Taylor's nickname for her hubby, Jack Dempsey. This year's HOF is shaping up to a real good one, thanks to the guys who have agreed to fill my two tables. Well be in touch.

-Rick