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jlh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 09:13 An absolute robbery. I'm so disgusted by it that I'm too angry to work it out but how could IJL score it 114 - 111.

He could only have given Jack 4 rounds minus the point deduction. Then there was the 10-8 round, so apart from that he has given Catteral 3 rounds. I just can't see how this is possible.

IJL gave Jack only rounds 1,5,6 & 8 (the knockdown round). 8 rounds to 4 for Taylor.
The official cards are on this thread earlier.
I noticed if Howard Foster hadn't given the last to Jack C it would have been a UD for Taylor!

punchers chance wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 10:59

jlh wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 09:13 An absolute robbery. I'm so disgusted by it that I'm too angry to work it out but how could IJL score it 114 - 111.

He could only have given Jack 4 rounds minus the point deduction. Then there was the 10-8 round, so apart from that he has given Catteral 3 rounds. I just can't see how this is possible.

IJL gave Jack only rounds 1,5,6 & 8 (the knockdown round). 8 rounds to 4 for Taylor.
The official cards are on this thread earlier.
I noticed if Howard Foster hadn't given the last to Jack C it would have been a UD for Taylor!

Arguably Josh won the 12th as well!
It was a close round.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:03

What has happened to the photo of Boomer?

seems to have been replaced by Blue ans Yellow colours.

Lewis holyfield 1
De la hoya sturm
GGG canelo 1
Masher Dodd vs Di Silvio
Masher Dodd vs Scott cardle 1 and 2
Eubank Watson 1
Hatton vs collazo
The list goes on and on and on,boxing needs 1 organisation to over see all this crap

forcefraser wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:08

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:03

What has happened to the photo of Boomer?

seems to have been replaced by Blue ans Yellow colours.

In support of Ukraine init

Anyway anyone else think tasha Jonas looked fit last night?

forcefraser wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:08

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:03

What has happened to the photo of Boomer?

seems to have been replaced by Blue ans Yellow colours.

Ukraine flag

TheGman wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:15 Anyway anyone else think tasha Jonas looked fit last night?

Great legs. Shocking forehead.
When they were interviewing a very serious Moore after the fight she looked worried and scared and moved away.
Check it out!

Dioufy wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 13:22

TheGman wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:15 Anyway anyone else think tasha Jonas looked fit last night?

Great legs. Shocking forehead.
When they were interviewing a very serious Moore after the fight she looked worried and scared and moved away.
Check it out!

Hottest female boxer going. Big fan.

TheGman wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:09 Lewis holyfield 1
De la hoya sturm
GGG canelo 1
Masher Dodd vs Di Silvio
Masher Dodd vs Scott cardle 1 and 2
Eubank Watson 1
Hatton vs collazo
The list goes on and on and on,boxing needs 1 organisation to over see all this crap

In Scotland alone burns and Harrison both benefitted from dodgy draws too. It's more common up here than you think.

ThereByTheGrace wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 14:29

TheGman wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 12:09 Lewis holyfield 1
De la hoya sturm
GGG canelo 1
Masher Dodd vs Di Silvio
Masher Dodd vs Scott cardle 1 and 2
Eubank Watson 1
Hatton vs collazo
The list goes on and on and on,boxing needs 1 organisation to over see all this crap

In Scotland alone burns and Harrison both benefitted from dodgy draws too. It's more common up here than you think.

I remember John Simpson getting robbed by Loughlin at least once.

Hatton v Collazo wasn’t THAT bad surely??
Sure I had Gatton edging it but I’m from Manchester and those early AM fights messed my head up.
McDermott v Fury worst for me.
Terry O give it 98-92 when it could’ve been the same the other way???

I’ve been pissed off at refereeing decisions before, as we all have but I really feel this one is on a whole different level.

Say for example, when GGG didn’t get the decision in their first fight, I thought that was a joke but it didn’t really impact on GGG’s legacy or earning potential.

This is different because Catterall is by no means a household name, probably isn’t secure financially for the rest of his career and obviously will never get the chance to fight for all of the belts including the Ring magazine belt again.

To put on the performance he did and lose is just heartbreaking. People moan about the likes of Josh Taylor not getting recognition in stuff like BBC SPOTY but it’s because of events like last night that boxing isn’t really recognised as a serious sport a lot of the time, and deservedly so.

EDIT: GGG’s first fight against Canelo.

I scored it 114-112 Catterall, but it could have been wider with a few rounds being tricky to score.

BUT apart from some classy combinations and good jabs (that landed) I thought Catterall's performance was a disgrace !

Catterall's holding was off the charts. It was very noticeable by the 2nd and I'd had enough by the 4th. How he managed to last until the 10th round without a point deduction was, to me, staggering.

I suppose ultimately it's the referee who's to blame for letting him get away with it. In fairness to the referee it was a very messy fight.

Messy, unenjoyable fights have become a trademark for Catterall (after he'd looked a precious talent in his early days) so it was no surprise he employed very excessive holding to negotiate his way through his challenge...and I'm not being wise after the event. I posted specifically about Catterall's holding prior to the fight.

Poor Josh Taylor looked like dog shit and that was without a shadow of doubt the worst performance of his career, however, I don't go along with the sympathy Catterall is receiving one iota because Taylor has built a career out of thrilling the crowds and prepared to take highly demanding fights one after the other.

Catterall came to spoil, hold and ruin Taylor's reign with dire tactics for the majority of the fight, so despite getting a decision I don't happen to agree with, it's Taylor I feel for, not Catterall. Josh is no angel, but Jack was simply appalling.

I'd switched off from Catterall's career some time ago for exactly the same reasons as mentioned above and if I never saw him box again, I'd be fine with that. At times when he puts his shots together he can look fantastic, but he knew full well he couldn't win legitimately over 12 rounds without very excessive holding.

The Skysports team are a rotten rabble of hysterical pricks who think they have divine intervention on all boxing matters.

That prize winning 'C U Next Tuesday' Adam Smith, a true scourge of British boxing, sanctimoniously harps on about poor scoring, but to my knowledge has never on one single occasion made Skysports produce a correctly scored, honest card...not once in their entire history

It certainly hasn't happened under his slimey watch

they were falling into each other a lot and the 2 southpaws thing made it mutually awkward. the 1 point off from cat was fine, it wasnt anything worse than that. often a clinch would be initiated because cat would be ducking low, taylor would miss over the top, and then fall into him, often grabbing him in a headlock. wasnt just all blatant holding from 1 side

taylor couldnt land anything clean no matter the situation in the fight, it was his own shortcoming dealing with cat's compact southpaw defense, and not the holding

It was definitely Catterrall's excessive holding that got him through the fight. There are other considerations as you mention, but it was mainly the holding.

josh couldnt put a clean glove on him at any range, whether free or tangled up. it was far more than some holding that got cat through the fight. even when they did go toe to toe it was josh ending up on the canvas

or did catt hug him to the ground there? maybe josh's eye was also f@cked because catteral clinched it too much

the holding thing is a downplaying excuse. 1 point off was fine, there was far too much mutual holding and messiness for all the blame to be put on cat

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 20:44 josh couldnt put a clean glove on him at any range, whether free or tangled up. it was far more than some holding that got cat through the fight. even when they did go toe to toe it was josh ending up on the canvas

or did catt hug him to the ground there? maybe josh's eye was also f@cked because catteral clinched it too much

the holding thing is a downplaying excuse. 1 point off was fine, there was far too much mutual holding and messiness for all the blame to be put on cat

Regardless , I keep saying it the excessive holding and not punching cost him the fight , I was getting annoyed and frustrated at him continually ducking and grabbing , suppose if i was judging i would of penalized him by awarding some if not all the later rnds against him , thats leaves the earlier rnds and they were not all one way some were close , i think time will speak more kindly of this discision ,,, in fact give it 12 months and people will probably be saying Josh hammered him

josh's total inability to land clean shots, no matter the range or situation, frustrated me more than cat's holding. the few times they did have sustained exchanges it was cat who got the better of them too, dropping josh on his arse. im not sure why we should believe that more exchanges would've benefited taylor, rather than the guy who dropped him, cut him up, and landed far more clean punches

the messiness of the fight was clearly two way. taylor continually missed and then fell in on catterall, often putting him in a headlock. both being southpaws made it awkward for each. cat did initatie a bit more, and he lost a point for it. it was hardly anything extreme though, and if taylor was so much better as we thought ahead of time, he shouldve had no problem dealing with it

blaming it all on cat = looking for excuses

I was actually impressed with the way Catterall half turned away when Josh was trying to attack. It was extremely effective and shut him straight down.

Taylor absolutely did land clean punches in and out the clinches....not many at all by his standards, but did nevertheless. Catterall landed more and that's why I scored it for Catterall.

The holding isn't an excuse and I pointed to it before the fight and it happened. It was very excessive from Catterall and should have had more points deducted earlier in the fight and if it didn't reduce to an acceptable level...disqualification. It's the reason Taylor lost because it stopped him working.

josh was sure getting his shots off when jack dropped his arse lol. but most of the time he was hesistant to throw at all, before catt would even initaite a clinch. probably a mix of missing, as he did repeatedly, and worried about getting nailed, 2 big themes of that fight for taylor.

really struggle to think of flush shots josh landed, whereas round after round catteral snapped his head back. and also dropped him. and cut him up. it might have been good for josh they didnt mix it up more

catt's holding wasn't really that bad. point off was fine. taylor continually missed and then fell onto him as well. loved putting catt in headlocks too. both were up to it.