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dookus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:41

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:18

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:10 I was at my son's wedding, so haven't seen the fight. Someone at breakfast this morning said Joshua's feet were slipping on the canvas, is that true?

He slipped once, the rest of the time, he was being punched to the canvas.

I thought he rolled his right ankle after taking the left hook that hurt him in round 3 (just before the knockdown - see 1:21-1:22 at

Not sure that that was significant, though, he just had no idea what to do with a man with the size, strength and power of Dubois coming straight at him.

Terrible bit of officiating there, the count started and the ref didn't even notice it, so Joshua took a whole bunch of extra shots after clearly touching down. He also took two shots whilst sat on the bottom rope FFS!

I don't think it had any bearing on the contest, and it didn't look like Joshua rolled his ankle to me, didn't go over far enough,

What was clear was Joshua was extremely sloppy, there's no way Dubois should have been able to land that overhand right, Joshua just acted like he was out of range, keep your bloody hands up, unless you've got a loose style which relies non movement and reflexes, neither of which are true of Joshua.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:46

dookus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:41

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:18

He slipped once, the rest of the time, he was being punched to the canvas.

I thought he rolled his right ankle after taking the left hook that hurt him in round 3 (just before the knockdown - see 1:21-1:22 at

Not sure that that was significant, though, he just had no idea what to do with a man with the size, strength and power of Dubois coming straight at him.

Terrible bit of officiating there, the count started and the ref didn't even notice it, so Joshua took a whole bunch of extra shots after clearly touching down. He also took two shots whilst sat on the bottom rope FFS!

I don't think it had any bearing on the contest, and it didn't look like Joshua rolled his ankle to me, didn't go over far enough,

What was clear was Joshua was extremely sloppy, there's no way Dubois should have been able to land that overhand right, Joshua just acted like he was out of range, keep your bloody hands up, unless you've got a loose style which relies non movement and reflexes, neither of which are true of Joshua.

yeah, whatever the extent of the ankle roll, I don't think it was significant. And I had to laugh when the referee failed to pick up on the knockdown even though the timekeeper was counting

Almost the first thing you learn is don't go back in a straight line with your guard down. I honestly think they were complacent and had no proper plan for Dubois.

dookus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:06

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:46

dookus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:41 I thought he rolled his right ankle after taking the left hook that hurt him in round 3 (just before the knockdown - see 1:21-1:22 at

Not sure that that was significant, though, he just had no idea what to do with a man with the size, strength and power of Dubois coming straight at him.

Terrible bit of officiating there, the count started and the ref didn't even notice it, so Joshua took a whole bunch of extra shots after clearly touching down. He also took two shots whilst sat on the bottom rope FFS!

I don't think it had any bearing on the contest, and it didn't look like Joshua rolled his ankle to me, didn't go over far enough,

What was clear was Joshua was extremely sloppy, there's no way Dubois should have been able to land that overhand right, Joshua just acted like he was out of range, keep your bloody hands up, unless you've got a loose style which relies non movement and reflexes, neither of which are true of Joshua.

yeah, whatever the extent of the ankle roll, I don't think it was significant. And I had to laugh when the referee failed to pick up on the knockdown even though the timekeeper was counting

Almost the first thing you learn is don't go back in a straight line with your guard down. I honestly think they were complacent and had no proper plan for Dubois.

Yeah, it's quite amazing isn't it, he fought like a rank amateur, so many schoolboy errors, where was his head at?

AJ Basically got caught cold, he thought it was a walk in the park, I mean arriving so late before the main event seemed bizarre. That first round right hand clattered him and his punch resistance was gone after that, if not his fighting heart - the sticking his tongue out and talking to ringside was probably just a fighter concussed.

Marcus McDonald made it plain to see right from the off who he was backing, scolding Dubois at every opportunity, the slow count and non-counts for Joshua - an embarrassing performance by a house referee.

I guess the rematch will be huge, despite the one sided nature of things, Joshua probably has a 30% chance of turning the tables. I mean he was near gone and shook up DDD seconds before oblivion

if he’s on his game it’s another shoot out and whoever lands first - his trainer man of the moment seemed completely lost in the corner, he wasn’t even telling him to keep his hands up, which was the obvious problem right from the start.

The indestructible Frank W is back as the top man in British boxing once again.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:08

dookus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:06

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:46

Terrible bit of officiating there, the count started and the ref didn't even notice it, so Joshua took a whole bunch of extra shots after clearly touching down. He also took two shots whilst sat on the bottom rope FFS!

I don't think it had any bearing on the contest, and it didn't look like Joshua rolled his ankle to me, didn't go over far enough,

What was clear was Joshua was extremely sloppy, there's no way Dubois should have been able to land that overhand right, Joshua just acted like he was out of range, keep your bloody hands up, unless you've got a loose style which relies non movement and reflexes, neither of which are true of Joshua.

yeah, whatever the extent of the ankle roll, I don't think it was significant. And I had to laugh when the referee failed to pick up on the knockdown even though the timekeeper was counting

Almost the first thing you learn is don't go back in a straight line with your guard down. I honestly think they were complacent and had no proper plan for Dubois.

Yeah, it's quite amazing isn't it, he fought like a rank amateur, so many schoolboy errors, where was his head at?

Probably thought, Dubois is there to be hit, I've boxed at a higher level, stay patient behind the jab, nail him with the right when he comes in, can't possibly fail. Overlooking all of Dubois' strengths, not least his ability to walk through a pasting.

dookus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:12

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:08

dookus wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:06 yeah, whatever the extent of the ankle roll, I don't think it was significant. And I had to laugh when the referee failed to pick up on the knockdown even though the timekeeper was counting

Almost the first thing you learn is don't go back in a straight line with your guard down. I honestly think they were complacent and had no proper plan for Dubois.

Yeah, it's quite amazing isn't it, he fought like a rank amateur, so many schoolboy errors, where was his head at?

Probably thought, Dubois is there to be hit, I've boxed at a higher level, stay patient behind the jab, nail him with the right when he comes in, can't possibly fail. Overlooking all of Dubois' strengths, not least his ability to walk through a pasting.

The problem was, Joshua threw the jab with no authority, which left opportunities to counter him. He should have doubled up the jab and made sure he was hitting Dubois, much harder to counter someone when their jab keeps coming again and again. Throwing out a single hesitant jab, and leaving it hanging in the air, that's not how you win fights. He was relying on being able to throw the right hand, and neglecting to remember that Dubois was likely to be throwing his own shots.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:36 I'll spell it out to you. Fury lost to Usyk, it remains his only loss, but was competitive in the fight, enough to still be ranked number two. Dubois lost handily to Usyk. He beat AJ convincingly, probably enough to make him number three when combined with his wins over Miller and Hrg.
The Ali/Foreman thing came in when you dismissed Wilder based on his recent form. Ali beating Foreman and losing to Larry Holmes was the same time difference as Wilder v Fury 1 and Wilder v Zhang. Do you really think either man was the same in each fight?

Ok, so you want to play the compare opponents game.
So I'll spell it out to you Micky mate.
Wilder got embarrassed by a guy AJ comfortably beat .. AJ destroyed two guys who gave Fury life and death.
Fury hasn't fought and beat anyone of note except an ancient Wlad and Whyte, and a crude Wilder.
Even Dubois now has a stronger fight record than Fury.
Both Fury & Dubois lost convincingly to Usyk: Dubois quits .. Fury narrowly avoided a KO loss.
So that makes Usyk number 1 .. and as the guy who has now had 3 good wins, Dubois number 2.

As said; your on your own with all the irrelevant Ali, Holmes and now Zhang nonsense mate

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:36 I'll spell it out to you. Fury lost to Usyk, it remains his only loss, but was competitive in the fight, enough to still be ranked number two. Dubois lost handily to Usyk. He beat AJ convincingly, probably enough to make him number three when combined with his wins over Miller and Hrg.
The Ali/Foreman thing came in when you dismissed Wilder based on his recent form. Ali beating Foreman and losing to Larry Holmes was the same time difference as Wilder v Fury 1 and Wilder v Zhang. Do you really think either man was the same in each fight?

Ok, so you want to play the compare opponents game.
So I'll spell it out to you Micky mate.
Wilder got embarrassed by a guy AJ comfortably beat .. AJ destroyed two guys who gave Fury life and death.
Fury hasn't fought and beat anyone of note except an ancient Wlad and Whyte, and a crude Wilder.
Even Dubois now has a stronger fight record than Fury.
Both Fury & Dubois lost convincingly to Usyk: Dubois quits .. Fury narrowly avoided a KO loss.
So that makes Usyk number 1 .. and as the guy who has now had 3 good wins, Dubois number 2.

As said; your on your own with all the irrelevant Ali, Holmes and now Zhang nonsense mate

Joshua also went 12 rounds with Usyk, not once but twice, without once coming close to being stopped, Fury as we all know, should most likely have been stopped, and got absolutely mullered by Usyk in round 9.

I would say Fury and Joshua have very similar resumes in terms of depth, I'd say based on Styles, Fury probably wins, though not much confidence in that. Joshua looks to me like he might fail to pull the trigger, but then again, he might just walk through Fury, who doesn't have anything like the power Dubois has.

Who is more rubbish? Fury or Joshua?

DDD is a rubbish quitter too

It's hard to call it now - both guys clearly not what we'd all initially thought.

Micky stating Fury is number 2 over Dubois is as ignorant of facts as you can get.

2 fights ago Fury gets floored by a 40 yr old guy having his debut boxing contest and ran close on points .. a guy who then gets demolished by AJ .. Dubois then demolishes AJ, yet Micky still has Fury higher than Dubois .. only our special Micky eh

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:36 I'll spell it out to you. Fury lost to Usyk, it remains his only loss, but was competitive in the fight, enough to still be ranked number two. Dubois lost handily to Usyk. He beat AJ convincingly, probably enough to make him number three when combined with his wins over Miller and Hrg.
The Ali/Foreman thing came in when you dismissed Wilder based on his recent form. Ali beating Foreman and losing to Larry Holmes was the same time difference as Wilder v Fury 1 and Wilder v Zhang. Do you really think either man was the same in each fight?

Ok, so you want to play the compare opponents game.
So I'll spell it out to you Micky mate.
Wilder got embarrassed by a guy AJ comfortably beat .. AJ destroyed two guys who gave Fury life and death.
Fury hasn't fought and beat anyone of note except an ancient Wlad and Whyte, and a crude Wilder.
Even Dubois now has a stronger fight record than Fury.
Both Fury & Dubois lost convincingly to Usyk: Dubois quits .. Fury narrowly avoided a KO loss.
So that makes Usyk number 1 .. and as the guy who has now had 3 good wins, Dubois number 2.

As said; your on your own with all the irrelevant Ali, Holmes and now Zhang nonsense mate

An ancient Wlad? Who is AJ's best win, then? Any right thinking boxing fan would have Fury number 2. Using your crazy logic I'd imagine you have Joyce above AJ because he stopped Parker? Turn it, Tone, you have to make every thread I comment on about Fury.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:10

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:36 I'll spell it out to you. Fury lost to Usyk, it remains his only loss, but was competitive in the fight, enough to still be ranked number two. Dubois lost handily to Usyk. He beat AJ convincingly, probably enough to make him number three when combined with his wins over Miller and Hrg.
The Ali/Foreman thing came in when you dismissed Wilder based on his recent form. Ali beating Foreman and losing to Larry Holmes was the same time difference as Wilder v Fury 1 and Wilder v Zhang. Do you really think either man was the same in each fight?

Ok, so you want to play the compare opponents game.
So I'll spell it out to you Micky mate.
Wilder got embarrassed by a guy AJ comfortably beat .. AJ destroyed two guys who gave Fury life and death.
Fury hasn't fought and beat anyone of note except an ancient Wlad and Whyte, and a crude Wilder.
Even Dubois now has a stronger fight record than Fury.
Both Fury & Dubois lost convincingly to Usyk: Dubois quits .. Fury narrowly avoided a KO loss.
So that makes Usyk number 1 .. and as the guy who has now had 3 good wins, Dubois number 2.

As said; your on your own with all the irrelevant Ali, Holmes and now Zhang nonsense mate

An ancient Wlad? Who is AJ's best win, then? Any right thinking boxing fan would have Fury number 2. Using your crazy logic I'd imagine you have Joyce above AJ because he stopped Parker? Turn it, Tone, you have to make every thread I comment on about Fury.

By your logic .. would it be Ngannou?

He did spectacularly KO the guy who lots felt beat Fury?
Or Wallin who he again destroyed?

Or maybe Parker who schooled Wilder?

you have to make every thread I comment on about Fury.

Far from it. My initial comment was stating there is no point in an AJ v Fury fight now because both been exposed.

You've just lost the plot when I commented that Usyk is number 1 in division and Dubois number 2

Uysk got it spot on in a post fight interview. He said this position is dangerous and he leaned back and took a step back in a straight line. That's what killed aj, that first right hand, Novice mistake though, DD was finding him anyway but that first punch decided the fight,

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:19

you have to make every thread I comment on about Fury.

Far from it. My initial comment was stating there is no point in an AJ v Fury fight now because both been exposed.

You've just lost the plot when I commented that Usyk is number 1 in division and Dubois number 2

Well, you must admit it was a pretty silly thing to say. You got a bit carried away. Never mind.

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:13

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:10

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 13:52

Ok, so you want to play the compare opponents game.
So I'll spell it out to you Micky mate.
Wilder got embarrassed by a guy AJ comfortably beat .. AJ destroyed two guys who gave Fury life and death.
Fury hasn't fought and beat anyone of note except an ancient Wlad and Whyte, and a crude Wilder.
Even Dubois now has a stronger fight record than Fury.
Both Fury & Dubois lost convincingly to Usyk: Dubois quits .. Fury narrowly avoided a KO loss.
So that makes Usyk number 1 .. and as the guy who has now had 3 good wins, Dubois number 2.

As said; your on your own with all the irrelevant Ali, Holmes and now Zhang nonsense mate

An ancient Wlad? Who is AJ's best win, then? Any right thinking boxing fan would have Fury number 2. Using your crazy logic I'd imagine you have Joyce above AJ because he stopped Parker? Turn it, Tone, you have to make every thread I comment on about Fury.

By your logic .. would it be Ngannou?

He did spectacularly KO the guy who lots felt beat Fury?
Or Wallin who he again destroyed?

Or maybe Parker who schooled Wilder?

I don't know. Probably Parker. As Joe G said the other day, AJ has never beaten a live opponent. I guess Parker, whilst very green and fighting the ref, had a go.

Yep - you proper lost it today Micky mate

It's your euphoria of seeing AJ spanked no doubt so I'll excuse your silliness this one time

cfang wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:30 Uysk got it spot on in a post fight interview. He said this position is dangerous and he leaned back and took a step back in a straight line. That's what killed aj, that first right hand, Novice mistake though, DD was finding him anyway but that first punch decided the fight,

If you must step back and lean back, at least keep your bloody hands up!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:32

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:13

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:10
An ancient Wlad? Who is AJ's best win, then? Any right thinking boxing fan would have Fury number 2. Using your crazy logic I'd imagine you have Joyce above AJ because he stopped Parker? Turn it, Tone, you have to make every thread I comment on about Fury.

By your logic .. would it be Ngannou?

He did spectacularly KO the guy who lots felt beat Fury?
Or Wallin who he again destroyed?

Or maybe Parker who schooled Wilder?

I don't know. Probably Parker. As Joe G said the other day, AJ has never beaten a live opponent. I guess Parker, whilst very green and fighting the ref, had a go.

For a serious poster and as a serious boxing fan you must realise your insane pro-Fury and anti-Joshua bias it borders on the line of a troll account

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:04

cfang wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:30 Uysk got it spot on in a post fight interview. He said this position is dangerous and he leaned back and took a step back in a straight line. That's what killed aj, that first right hand, Novice mistake though, DD was finding him anyway but that first punch decided the fight,

If you must step back and lean back, at least keep your bloody hands up!

It was ridiculous from a seasoned pro

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:04

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:32

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:13

By your logic .. would it be Ngannou?

He did spectacularly KO the guy who lots felt beat Fury?
Or Wallin who he again destroyed?

Or maybe Parker who schooled Wilder?

I don't know. Probably Parker. As Joe G said the other day, AJ has never beaten a live opponent. I guess Parker, whilst very green and fighting the ref, had a go.

For a serious poster and as a serious boxing fan you must realise your insane pro-Fury and anti-Joshua bias it borders on the line of a troll account

Hang on, I'm not Joe G. As I said earlier, I've never rated AJ, long before he even turned pro. I've never denied being a fan of Fury. I defended him on here for years despite being told he was absolutely terrible and only good fot hitting himself in the face. To go on to only lose in an undisputed well over ten years after the majority of the forum wrote him off I'd say I had a point. Nothing trollish about it. I'd say it was more trollish some of the regular posters viewing last night's fight as a mismatch going in. And the scrambling to defend him is quite something. He got iced. By Daniel Dubois. His performance made Nathan Gormans looks spectacular.

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:08 It's hard to call it now - both guys clearly not what we'd all initially thought.

Which still makes Joshua Fury oddly intriguing.
We will have to see how Fury does in the rematch. He didn't look as slim as he was a few months back last night.

I predicted this:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity- ... s-33723793

Second worse performance of the night goes to Liam Gallagher, and after paying all that dynamic pricing for reunion tickets, the fans are pissed

handsofstone wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:11

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:04

cfang wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 14:30 Uysk got it spot on in a post fight interview. He said this position is dangerous and he leaned back and took a step back in a straight line. That's what killed aj, that first right hand, Novice mistake though, DD was finding him anyway but that first punch decided the fight,

If you must step back and lean back, at least keep your bloody hands up!

It was ridiculous from a seasoned pro

I find it quite baffling to be honest, it was probably the worst I have ever seen from AJ. There was almost nothing he did right, pawing tentative jab, hands down, wild swings, head upright, hands down, moving back in straight lines from an onrushing opponent.

The only things he did reasonably well was clinching, and getting back up.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:14

handsofstone wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:11

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 15:04

If you must step back and lean back, at least keep your bloody hands up!

It was ridiculous from a seasoned pro

I find it quite baffling to be honest, it was probably the worst I have ever seen from AJ. There was almost nothing he did right, pawing tentative jab, hands down, wild swings, head upright, hands down, moving back in straight lines from an onrushing opponent.

The only things he did reasonably well was clinching, and getting back up.

He literally never landed a meaningful punch until the 2 right hands he landed before getting knocked out, kept getting beat to the jab and telegraphed his rights which Dubois easily dodged, i did actually think just before he hurt Dubois he was quite effective in tying Dubois up who I thought was looking like he'd nearly emptied his tank, Callum Johnson gets lambasted for not putting it on Beterbiev, Joshua is reckless, as ever it doesn't matter anything can happen but Joshua put in a career worst performance and Dubois is rightly top 3