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Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 05 Dec 2008, 23:13
by AngryGoon38
harrygreb wrote:ossie wins this, but try as he might he could not KO the durable tiger.
he hits him with everything in his limited armoury but ted proves himself one of the toughest nuts around by making it to the end of the 12 rounds. outgunned, outpointed but not outclassed.

a mouth watering british bantam clash.

teddy baldock (poplar) v alan rudkin (somewhere up north)

I would pick the "Baldock" fella to win.Probably on points.Possibly late round Tko.


Next Up:

Harry Greb vs Carlos Monzon 8)

15 Rounds.

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Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 00:10
by Goodnight, Irene
I used to think Monzon was #1, but Greb has taken his place in the past year. I've got him on a competitive points decision over Monzon.

Diego Corrales vs. Jeff Fenech at Featherweight...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 06:00
by Counter-puncher
it'll have to be at 130 i can't see Corrales getting down to 126 without a near-death experience.
he's just a little too big for Fenech, I think, stops him late-ish I think.


next up: Danny Lopez- Juan Laporte at 126lbs

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 08:01
by Datsue
War war war. Fifteen rounds of pain, & Little Red gets his hand raised at the end after coming off the deck & losing about a pint of blood.

Thomas Hearns (Shuler/Hagler fight) vs Bernard Hopkins (Trinidad fight), 160 lbs, 12 rounds, a carpark somewhere on the Strip in Vegas.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 11:59
by Goodnight, Irene
No one's gonna beat Hopkins in a street fight, or, for that matter, a carpark brawl. He takes out Hearns.

I'm really having a hard time picking a winner with this one...

1987 Leonard vs. 2005 Hopkins at 160.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 15:06
by observer1
Goodnight, Irene wrote:No one's gonna beat Hopkins in a street fight, or, for that matter, a carpark brawl. He takes out Hearns.

I'm really having a hard time picking a winner with this one...

1987 Leonard vs. 2005 Hopkins at 160.
Well Hopkins was starting to drain himself getting to 160 in 2005, but regardless, Leonard was on the decline in 1987 too.

Personally, i give Hopkins the edge in a close UD. Leonard being on the offense, but Hopkins utlizing his speed in his counters.

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Prime Joppy v Prime Camacho

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 19:01
by Goodnight, Irene
Camacho on a narrow decision. A little under-rated through history, too, methinks.

This one'd draw a great crowd, I suspect...Graziano vs. Hearns at Middle, over fifteen rounds...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 06 Dec 2008, 22:43
by observer1
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Camacho on a narrow decision. A little under-rated through history, too, methinks.

This one'd draw a great crowd, I suspect...Graziano vs. Hearns at Middle, over fifteen rounds...
imo Hearns Wins in a close UD.

Graziano would have Hearns Wobbled sooner or later, and probably Knocked Down in the early rounds. But Hearns will be way to Classy for Graziano. Winning a Close but fair UD.

Graziano would probably go for the KO in the last round, but Hearns would probably stay on the counter, and outpoint him.

IMO anyway.

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Kevin Kelley v Junior Jones, Feather Weight

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 05:00
by My2Sense
observer1 wrote: Kevin Kelley v Junior Jones, Feather Weight
Kelley always has a good shot at finding Junior's chin and KOing him, but I think if Junior is "on" then he can keep the fight at a distance, survive a few rocky moments, and win a decision.


Next up: Welcome Ncita vs. Vuyani Bungu.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 12:39
by AngryGoon38
Ncita takes it by Decision.


Manny Pacquiou vs Roberto Duran at 147 8)

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Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 13:43
by m1kee50
AngryGoon38 wrote:Ncita takes it by Decision.


Manny Pacquiou vs Roberto Duran at 147 8)

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Duran. Pacman is a good, great fighter, but Duran was something else. Duran pts.

Archie Moore vs James Toney at 175

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 14:48
by harrygreb
do you mean at age 175? if so, arch wins in a round. if not archie takes a little longer and wins a comfortable decision.

mathew saad muhammad v joe calzaghe

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 18:03
by Goodnight, Irene
Great compubox numbers. Muhammad gets a narrow nod on the cards.

Tex Rickard'd loved to have promoted this one --- Jim Jeffries vs. Jack Dempsey, in their primes. I'll let the respondent come up with the number of rounds...the more, the better as far as Jeffries is concerned, methinks.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 18:28
by AngryGoon38
I'm gonna say Jefferies.By SD in a Rough and Rugged battle of wills.Both men visit the deck twice.


Gene Tunney vs Bernard Hopkins at 175.

12 Rounds.

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Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 18:34
by Goodnight, Irene
Nice one. Hopkins spoils as per usual, but Tunney is so absurdly under-estimated at times. He'd make the adjustments, & he'd do it better than the smaller, lesser Calzaghe managed to.

Tunney, 8-4, 116-112. Hopkins a combination of too small & too old. He wouldn't have liked what he found in the way of Tunney's speed across the board, either.

A Heavyweight double-header for the geriatrics:

Joe Louis (1946) vs. Muhammad Ali (1977), with Sonny Liston (1966) against George Foreman (1991) on the undercard. Twelve rounds, the pair of 'em...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 18:45
by Robinson
Undercard...

Foreman stops Liston in the 8th round. Liston looks tired and
his face swollen. Big George has too much on his punches and
is able to absorb the best of what Liston has.

Foreman TKO 8.

Ali does his best to move and stay away from Louis, but opts to
lay on the ropes for most of the rounds, flurrying sporadically
for seconds at a time. Louis looks to bang the body and manages to
find holes in Ali's guard for his jab and cross. The pace slows in the
later rounds. By the fights end many are convinced that Louis was the
more dominant and landed the more telling blows.

The judges see otherwise. Ali wins an unpopular split decision.

Ali SD12....lots of boo's. Louis can just smile and shrug.



Tony Tubbs (1991- time of the Bowe fight) Vs George Foreman (1974) 12 rounds..

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 07 Dec 2008, 22:20
by Goodnight, Irene
Hmmm. Not sure what Tubbs does to make you think he can hang with that version of Foreman. He went out in one against Tyson, after all, albeit a few years earlier.

I don't think Tubbs would last any longer than Jose Roman did. In both cases, the Japanese failed to get their money's worth.

This one was actually signed, but never eventuated...

Pernell Whitaker vs. Ike Quartey, 25th April, 1998...

Can I also quickly thank everyone who has contributed so far for this thread. It's been terrific, & my mind whirrs at the idea of taking even some of these fights & dedicating threads to the match-ups. There's just so much in-depth discourse potential from all these pages which probably won't ever be realised. A shame.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Dec 2008, 00:42
by theone
Prime for prime Whitaker frustrates the heck outta Quartey for a fairly easy 12 round decision. I can even see Ike being put on his ass late in the fight by a straight left during a moment of reckless abandon.

But in '98? Quartey batters Sweat Pea around the ring similarly to how Trinidad did, and wins a clear cut decision.


Khaosai Galaxy vs. Orlando Canizales

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Dec 2008, 02:34
by Robinson
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Hmmm. Not sure what Tubbs does to make you think he can hang with that version of Foreman. He went out in one against Tyson, after all, albeit a few years earlier.

I don't think Tubbs would last any longer than Jose Roman did. In both cases, the Japanese failed to get their money's worth.

This one was actually signed, but never eventuated...

Pernell Whitaker vs. Ike Quartey, 25th April, 1998...

Can I also quickly thank everyone who has contributed so far for this thread. It's been terrific, & my mind whirrs at the idea of taking even some of these fights & dedicating threads to the match-ups. There's just so much in-depth discourse potential from all these pages which probably won't ever be realised. A shame.
Jose Roman....come on...no...mate.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Dec 2008, 05:01
by Counter-puncher
theone wrote:Prime for prime Whitaker frustrates the heck outta Quartey for a fairly easy 12 round decision. I can even see Ike being put on his ass late in the fight by a straight left during a moment of reckless abandon.

But in '98? Quartey batters Sweat Pea around the ring similarly to how Trinidad did, and wins a clear cut decision.


Khaosai Galaxy vs. Orlando Canizales
Galaxy outworks and out-strengths Canizales who has good moments with combinations but overall gets swamped

G,I: I agree, i really enjoy this thread :TU:

Jim Watt vs Ray Mancini at lightweight

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 08 Dec 2008, 20:49
by AngryGoon38
If they had fought,it would've likely been in Scotland.

Opening round has Mancini measuring Watt and charging in with body attacks and left hooks.
Watt stays mostly defensive,but starts seeking countering opportunities after 2 minutes in.
Mostly a feeling out process for both Combatants.Crowd intensely cheering away soccer style.
Watt gets in a counter late in the round and the crowd bellows out a high note cheer.
Watt raises his hands after the bell.Crowd continues to cheer.

Round two has both boxers circling and measuring.The flat footed Watt Plods in and out looking for opportunities since Mancini is the majority of the aggression and offensive initiation in general.Watt mostly being patient,looking for counter opportunities.
Quite similiar to the first round except Mancini intensifies things after midway through round 2.
Watt times the counter opportunities a bit better overall while Mancini's aggression continues to increase.
The intensity of the bout has increased substaintially with 45 seconds remaining in the round.Both boxers exchange.

Round 3 has Mancini throwing some serious overhands as he barrels in.Watt's hands remain high.Mancini goes for the body,Watt sidesteps and throws two jabs followed by an uppercut and then a straight left which grazes Watt,Watt then ducks in and quickly lifts his head into Mancini's chin.Mancini gets temporarily stunned.Watt follows up with a barrage of lefts and rights.Mancini gets low in a crounch,throws a few haymakers and then complains to the ref.Ref looks at em like he has 3 heads,the crowd cheers and starts taunting Mancini with chants of "Raymond" "Raymond" "Raymond"...Mancini makes a gesture at the crowd as he disgustedly waves em off in a "screw you A-holes" type of manner,the crowd cheers and resumes with the standard soccer style chant.
The last minute is mostly both boxers jabbing and parrying.Continuing to measure one another for ideal punching range.

Round 4 has both boxers swarming and then tying each other up.Watt lands the left right and then pumps the jab.Mancini ducks under and sidesteps,comes back with some overhands.Watt ties em up.Mancini starts trying to egg on Watt to fight his fight instead of tying em up and looking for counters most of the time.Mancini barrels in again and again and Watt jabs and throws the straight left mostly grazing The crouching barreling in style of Mancini.Watt ties em up,lets em go,then finds a counter and then Mancini side steps and goes to jabbing.

Round 5-8 is mostly jabbing and countering.Rounds look pretty even.Mancini throws more but Watt's land percentage is a bit better.

Round 9-Mancini goes for it with a series of overhands and hooks.Really lets em fly.Watt stays on the defensive.Holds when he needs to.Mancini clearly wins the round.

Round 10-Mancini takes this round off for the most part and Watt seizes the opportunity to pump the jab rapidly.Not as many counter punch opportunities but he's basically the aggressor and wins the round by way of workrate.

2 Judges have it 4-4-2 at this point.Ref is third judge.no one knows how he has it yet.
Each judge is entitled to re-align/re-evaluate they're scoring after the last round.

Round 11-Both boxers are made aware its an even fight and each corner really gets after they're Boy.

Mancini barrels in and Watt shoots the hooks and uppercuts.Going more for power than the previous Boxer-Counterpunch style.Watt is really in brawler mode.Mancini is basically in Go for it mode himself.Things start to get ugly.Watt butts Mancini again.Mancini goes in a rage as blood streams down his face.The crowd's cheers intensify.Watt sees blood and is feeling very opportunistic.Barrels in with hooks and uppercuts.Mancini throws wild vicious overhands and hooks.Tries the uppercut but Watt counters it well,as he has the entire bout.Watt clinches and then counters Mancini's ill intention bombs.
30 seconds remain and Watt seems to have the momentum.The crowd is Really pleased.Mancini takes the rest of the round off so he can have enough to really go at it in the 12th.

12th Round begins.Boxers touch gloves.They circle.Watt measures Mancini,counters,Jabs,all is well the first minute and 20 seconds.Then,Mancini lands a hook followed by an overhand right.Watt staggers against the ropes.Mancini's corner goes wild."Get em,you got em",they yell.Mancini proceeds his barrage with Watt trapped in the corner.Watt wisely takes a knee.
Mancini dances to the neutral corner with hands raised.Watt gets up at 8.Looks okay to continue.Ties up an on rushing Mancini who continues to throw the ill intentioned flurries.Watt gets a bit desperate,and they both get tackled down.
Mancini goes down a bit harder.Watt seemed to know just how to do this sorta thing as a last resort survivalist tactic to avoid being Tko'd.
Mancini slows down.Opts to try and use speed and lateral movement.Starts dancing around with 30 seconds to go.
Starts raising his hands and waving away the crowd which is a bit displeased but glad that Watt escaped being Tko'd.
Watt tries to finish extra strong in the last 20 seconds.The boxers exchange away and the crowd cheers.The bell rings.The boxers touch gloves and then walk to they're corners.Both with they're arms raised.

The decision is waited upon for a prolonged period.

Minutes go by.The crowd and the corners are antzy with the dely.

The verdict.

5-4-3 Mancini 5-4-3 Watt

final judge which is the ref,rules it,

5-5-2 Even.

And so it is.

A Draw. 8)




Next Up:




Michael Nunn vs Paul Williams at 160

12 Rounds

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Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 04:18
by My2Sense
AngryGoon38 wrote:
Michael Nunn vs Paul Williams at 160

12 Rounds

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Williams' strategy of relentlessly driving his face into his opponent's fists doesn't do him too well here. Though it's possible that if Williams is still there in the late rounds, Nunn may fade a bit down the stretch (like he did against Barkley).

Regardless, Nunn by UD.


Next up: Barney Ross vs. Pernell Whitaker.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 07:47
by theone
Whitaker could most likely do everything Ross could, but better. Both men put on a good show but Whitaker lands a bit more, and takes a bit less.

Julian Jackson vs. Felix Trinidad. Jr middle.

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 08:03
by Goodnight, Irene
Trinidad finds the drive (as he so often did) to out-gut his adversary. KO's Jackson, for mine.

Zab Judah vs. Diego Corrales at 135lbs...

Re: Hypothetical Match-Up Game

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 08:33
by m1kee50
Corrales is the fighter Judah wishes he was.
Coralles KO10

Diego Coralles 2004 vs Manny Pacquio 2008, at 135 lbs