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Horse, why do you dislike Joshua so much?

digzee wrote:

gazza8 wrote:

Batley18 wrote:
Nonsense, did he go down? Would you say the same about Wilder he is WBC champ and had some hairy moments in the last couple of fights?

Nonsense, Both Haye, Fury, and Joshua all beat Wilder. . .no head movement fron AJ. . . . plodding after taking 1 shot from a British level fighter. . . good finish but i dont see the heights people predict

believe the sky and matchroom hype people but hes not as good as they suggest

He's not as bad as you suggest too. Whyte is above British level.

So he better than Joshua. . . Fury. . .Price. . . Chisora. . Williams? last 5 champions over 10 years. . . based on?

Leave Price out the argumnt lol

Well..... the question now is.... is he hope, or is he hype @ Joshua.

I think Dillian Whyte demonstrated the gap between Joshua and the true elites. Someone with the ability and the willingness to trade with him, is going to give him problems. I have little doubt in my mind, now, that the likes of Fury and Haye and Wilder and even the Povetkin's of the world would defeat him if he stepped up that far in class in his next fight.

Baboon wrote:

Batley18 wrote:I hope Paulie retires soon and works for Sky full time. Love the guy.

Agree. The double analyst thing didnt work, but it did show Watt up as drivelling some load of pish versus some well thought through analysis from Malignaggi.

I could listen to Paulie all day, he really knows all aspects of boxing.

aquinas wrote:Has there ever been a heavyweight who became world champion without ever going the distance?

There could be dozens but I have terrible boxing knowledge.

Wilder is as close as I think we'll get...at the lower weights I imagine there's been a few, Valero being a notable one

SNG wrote:Horse, why do you dislike Joshua so much?

He's a cheater and he is very sinister.

I can imagine him just being very rude and dismissive to people for no real reason.

I think he may well do serious harm to someone outside of the ring and ruin his career.

Why are people obsessed about Joshua's personality?

Even if he isnt the person the public deem him to be,shouldnt he be applauded for acting well even if it is an act,maybe he's trying to become a better person

Nightmare Roy wrote:

Baboon wrote:

Batley18 wrote:I hope Paulie retires soon and works for Sky full time. Love the guy.

Agree. The double analyst thing didnt work, but it did show Watt up as drivelling some load of pish versus some well thought through analysis from Malignaggi.

I could listen to Paulie all day, he really knows all aspects of boxing.

He is engaging, I don't feel like slicing my ears off like I do when listening to Jim Watt.

Horse wrote:

SNG wrote:Horse, why do you dislike Joshua so much?

He's a cheater and he is very sinister.

I can imagine him just being very rude and dismissive to people for no real reason.

I think he may well do serious harm to someone outside of the ring and ruin his career.

Why do you think that though?

Chisora will collapse in 1. His jawbone is beyond repair. It's a total waste of time, but no doubt it will be a Feb or Mar PPV. Chisora will treat us to the full pantomime villain performance, and Hearn will assure us this is a real grudge match.

Horse wrote:

stujones wrote:Haye's got to be bringing with confidence about Joshua.

Haye would have had far more chance before this fight happened.

Joshua will have learned a heck of a lot tonight.

Yep. Haye would have loved to have been in there tonight!
Didn't think Joshua looked anything like focused enough right from the off, fist bumping with fans during ring walk, smiling, joking around etc, I think Whyte got to him.

Fair play to him though, he looked woeful in the 2nd and 3rd, so much so I stuck a score on Whyte in-fight but he settled down and relaxed and got the job done. Entertaining fight.

I'm actually just as interested in seeing where Whyte goes from here as I am Joshua.

Joshua is nothing like ready for Fury and co.

Hopefully he learns that coming out and trying to blast people away and headhunting will only get you so far. Not a fan at all of his "team" either. Not sure I'd entrust an olympic gold medallist who I've invested a shedload of dough in, to Sims. Get him across the pond.

It's easy to dismiss him and pick holes but that's always going to happen when a fighter throws every professional punch under the spotlight. 99.9% of fighters have their learning curves tucked away on undercards that aren't televised let alone headlining ppv nonsense!

Fury beats joshua possibly haye as well. The olympions too manufactured dont get the chance to think learn for themselves enough. But in defense of joshua hes dangerous with anyone. He ll come a cropper at some point but could knock anyone out. Looks an easy enough fight for fury but joshua cant be written off against anyone. Haye v joshuas the fight to make.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Chisora will collapse in 1. His jawbone is beyond repair. It's a total waste of time, but no doubt it will be a Feb or Mar PPV. Chisora will treat us to the full pantomime villain performance, and Hearn will assure us this is a real grudge match.

I would sooner pay to watch Whyte Vs Chisora than Joshua Vs Chisora.

Its actually still hard to gauge how good a performance that was from Joshua because we dont know how good Whyte is because its the 1st time he's stepped up

Batley18 wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Chisora will collapse in 1. His jawbone is beyond repair. It's a total waste of time, but no doubt it will be a Feb or Mar PPV. Chisora will treat us to the full pantomime villain performance, and Hearn will assure us this is a real grudge match.

I would sooner pay to watch Whyte Vs Chisora than Joshua Vs Chisora.

You could bill a Whyte vs Chisora fight as 'The Road to Nowhere.'

I would genuinely hope for a double knockout.

Whyte didn't look like a technically competent boxer, tough bloke though

SNG wrote:Why do you think that though?

He seems like a bad egg.

Does he seem like a nice guy to you?

My instincts tell me to stay away from him, because he is dangerous.

I wouldn't want anyone that I cared about around him for very long.

handsofstone wrote:Its actually still hard to gauge how good a performance that was from Joshua because we dont know how good Whyte is because its the 1st time he's stepped up

But you could see how amateurish Whyte was. He was all over the place. That was not a measured, controlled boxer. He looked like a novice. There was some sound logic in what he was attempting to do, but his footwork and general coordination was poor.

Horse wrote:

SNG wrote:Why do you think that though?

He seems like a bad egg.

Does he seem like a nice guy to you?

My instincts tell me to stay away from him, because he is dangerous.

I wouldn't want anyone that I cared about around him for very long.

I don't really have an opinion, I don't know the lad, and I don't take much personally from the things I see on tv.

Fat Git wrote:Lennox Lewis was clowned by cruiserweight Ossie Ocasio and was made to look bad against
Jean Maurice Chanet also. Fighters improve as the opposition improves.

Dillian Whyte is a good fighter. He was always going to pose problems but Whyte putting
up a battle is no negative reflection on Joshua.

Some of Britains best have come unstuck in these kind of tests (against varying quality of oppositon) and sometimes lost and come back. Here Joshua learned a big lesson that he isn't just going to lay everyone out with the first shot he catches them with. He also learned he can be hit and hurt. We talk about the over-reaction on Joshua's talent by Sky and that you can't deny, but some of the people in here were saying after round two that his stamina looked sh1te. That's almost the same level of over-reaction. 3,4,5 rounds later and actually he was still working to a reasonable work rate and obviously still carried power in his shots because he ironed the guy out. So clearly while his stamina needs to get better he isn't someone who falls apart after 3. Also when he got stunned he recovered and managed to fight back. There was a point over the round and a half after that I thought Whyte was going to come through and win because he was landing good body shots inside but Joshua seemed to adjust and fought well inside with body shots of his own.

Some will hate on the performance but for me it answered a few questions.

Thought Whyte did well. Joshua showed he can be tagged, has to be carefully matched for the next year he is not ready for world title yet. Needs to take his time like fury and develop and keep winning.

Gypsy king would smash Joshua he's too easy to read big right hand coming from a mile away

Tuan_Jim wrote:

handsofstone wrote:Its actually still hard to gauge how good a performance that was from Joshua because we dont know how good Whyte is because its the 1st time he's stepped up

But you could see how amateurish Whyte was. He was all over the place. That was not a measured, controlled boxer. He looked like a novice. There was some sound logic in what he was attempting to do, but his footwork and general coordination was poor.

AJ was crude at times too but he got it together,maybe Whyte didnt have it in his make up to do that or he didnt want to,the fight was very emotionally charged,i can imagine AJ will have easier nights against lesser fighters

Nightmare Roy wrote:

Baboon wrote:

Batley18 wrote:I hope Paulie retires soon and works for Sky full time. Love the guy.

Agree. The double analyst thing didnt work, but it did show Watt up as drivelling some load of pish versus some well thought through analysis from Malignaggi.

I could listen to Paulie all day, he really knows all aspects of boxing.

Malignaggi is an asshole. He ranted for years about Pacquiao being on PED's then when Floyd got busted for his IV drip he made all kinds of excuses, probably due to being signed by Haymon. After ofcourse, bitching and moaning about the Broner decision becuase "broner is the connected guy", it's all Haymon corruption and needs exposes.... signs with Haymon months later.

SNG wrote:I don't really have an opinion, I don't know the lad, and I don't take much personally from the things I see on tv.

Open your fricking eyes and ears then.

He's a struggling to repress his very dark side whenever he's interviewed. The guy is a timebomb.

Very good fight. I was disappointed by how cold and ungracious Joshua was in victory. He never checked to see if Whyte was ok, after a bad knockout, and refused to give him credit in the post fight interview. I didn't like to see that.