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Expug wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Expug wrote:Rick, I would have loved to have seen Walker - Hudkins as much as any fight in history I can think of.
And I do feel fortunate as I look back many years to have been around a few of boxings greats.
I only had a handful of pro fights, but being from a big city (Chicago), I have been in the gym or sparred with some big names I guess.

Ive mentioned the story about Duran a couple times, but what the heck I'll roll it again.
In 88 , he came to Chicago to fight a kid named Jeff Lanas.
He came to the gym I trained at called Fuller Park on the Southside and he was with former title holder Juan Nazario who was gonna fight on the same card.
He and Nazario one day were in the ring sparring , and Duran was just going through the motions , what it boils down to is Nazario was punching the shit out of him as Duran wasnt in too ggod shape.
Im right next to the ring hitting the speed bag , and as is often the case with the speedbag or the rope,
Sometimes you will just keep going after the bell ends the round.
Thats what I did and evidently Duran didnt like it as he walked over to the edge of the ring and started staring at me with his Charles Manson eyes. Clearly he was in a pissed off mood.
Well , hell this is the gym I worked out at so I wasnt gonna take crap from him or anyone so I stopped what I was doing and walked over and stared right back.
We glared at each other for what seemed like a good while, he may have mumbled something, I dont remember and I wouldnt have understood anyway.
The round started and he slowly went back to working with Nazario.
I laugh at stuff like that now.
It was almost a REAL brush with greatness.

Years ago, Benny Georgino paid me one of the greatest compliments I have ever received. He nicknamed me the "Toy BullDog", after Mickey Walker. At that time I had no sense of history and didn't know who Mickey Walker was. I had to ask Mel who Walker was. All these years later, I remember that with a sense of pride, especially knowing what I know about Walker now.

Randy

Yes, that is a great compliment.
Georgino obviously thought highly of you.
And the fact that you feel so complimented means that you are a real boxing person.
It seems like nowadays if you told one of these posers that are out there that he was a young Mickey Walker, all you would get is a "huh" who dat?
Walker was my Grandfathers favorite fighter.
I heard so many great stories about him when I was a kid from him.

It was guys like Walker, Hudkins and the "Michigan Assassin" Stanley Ketchel that Mel was speaking about when he spoke of the real men in boxing. Your grandfather chose his fighters wisely.

Roberto was an amazing fighter.
Truly great.Ive always felt that his defensive skills were one of the main attributes to his greatness as a fighter.
Alot of folks thought he was just an offensive beast.
Not so. The guy could slip , roll, and do all the old school stuff.
Its funny , I just looked at his fight with Lanas on his record here at Boxrec.
Judge Bill Lerch gave the fight to Lanas.
I just met Bill Lerch a year or so ago, even though he judged one or two of my fights, but I wish I would have asked him about his recollection of the Duran - Lanas fight.

Expug wrote:Roberto was an amazing fighter.
Truly great.Ive always felt that his defensive skills were one of the main attributes to his greatness as a fighter.
Alot of folks thought he was just an offensive beast.
Not so. The guy could slip , roll, and do all the old school stuff.
Its funny , I just looked at his fight with Lanas on his record here at Boxrec.
Judge Bill Lerch gave the fight to Lanas.
I just met Bill Lerch a year or so ago, even though he judged one or two of my fights, but I wish I would have asked him about his recollection of the Duran - Lanas fight.

Duran was percieved by many as a brawler, and when he needed to he could brawl, but that was just a part of his huge arsenal. Duran was a great defensive fighter. Leonard had a hard time landing in their first fight. Duran could slip punches with just the slightest movement. He is also underrated as a counter puncher. Maybe someday I'll be lucky enough to shake his hand.

Randyman wrote:

Expug wrote:Roberto was an amazing fighter.
Truly great.Ive always felt that his defensive skills were one of the main attributes to his greatness as a fighter.
Alot of folks thought he was just an offensive beast.
Not so. The guy could slip , roll, and do all the old school stuff.
Its funny , I just looked at his fight with Lanas on his record here at Boxrec.
Judge Bill Lerch gave the fight to Lanas.
I just met Bill Lerch a year or so ago, even though he judged one or two of my fights, but I wish I would have asked him about his recollection of the Duran - Lanas fight.

Duran was percieved by many as a brawler, and when he needed to he could brawl, but that was just a part of his huge arsenal. Duran was a great defensive fighter. Leonard had a hard time landing in their first fight. Duran could slip punches with just the slightest movement. He is also underrated as a counter puncher. Maybe someday I'll be lucky enough to shake his hand.

He was an outstanding counter puncher your right.
He was ferocious in there no doubt. But a very very smart fighter too.
For awhile there he was showing up at various cards around the country, but I havent seen him on the tube lately.
I wonder how he is doing.
He looked like he was living pretty well.
He aint a lightweight anymore thats for sure.
In fact he isnt a lightheavy either I dont think.
Thats ok, he earned it.

kikibalt wrote:
Ace Hudkins vs Bert Colima

When I was a kid growing up in Pico Rivera, California there was an old man that lived across the street from us, he was good friends with my father. He had a heavy bag and speed bag set up in his garage. He was pretty good with both considering his age. I can't remember his first name, I'm not sure I ever knew it, we just called him Ortiz. He claimed to have fought and lost to Ace Hudkins. I've looked for an Ortiz in Hudkins record and I haven't found one. Maybe he fought under another name. A lot of guys did that back then. He just never struck me as a bullshitter. I just thought I would share that.

Expug wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Expug wrote:Roberto was an amazing fighter.
Truly great.Ive always felt that his defensive skills were one of the main attributes to his greatness as a fighter.
Alot of folks thought he was just an offensive beast.
Not so. The guy could slip , roll, and do all the old school stuff.
Its funny , I just looked at his fight with Lanas on his record here at Boxrec.
Judge Bill Lerch gave the fight to Lanas.
I just met Bill Lerch a year or so ago, even though he judged one or two of my fights, but I wish I would have asked him about his recollection of the Duran - Lanas fight.

Duran was percieved by many as a brawler, and when he needed to he could brawl, but that was just a part of his huge arsenal. Duran was a great defensive fighter. Leonard had a hard time landing in their first fight. Duran could slip punches with just the slightest movement. He is also underrated as a counter puncher. Maybe someday I'll be lucky enough to shake his hand.

He was an outstanding counter puncher your right.
He was ferocious in there no doubt. But a very very smart fighter too.
For awhile there he was showing up at various cards around the country, but I havent seen him on the tube lately.
I wonder how he is doing.
He looked like he was living pretty well.
He aint a lightweight anymore thats for sure.
In fact he isnt a lightheavy either I dont think.
Thats ok, he earned it.

Duran could give George Foreman a run for his money when it comes to eating that's for sure. From the look of Iran Barkley the last time I saw him, so could he.

Frank, I responded to your email. I'm not sure if it went through. I seem to be having problems. Let me know.
Randy

Ace Hudkins

Alias The Nebraska Wildcat
Country USA
Global Id 13688
Hometown Lincoln, NE
Birthplace Valpariso, NE
Division Middleweight
Born 1905-08-30
Died 1973-04-18
Reach 173cm
Height 174cm


Career Record © www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1932-11-29 Wesley Ketchell Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1932-02-23 Lee Ramage Los Angeles, USA L UD 10
1931-09-15 Dynamite Jackson Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1931-07-15 Chuck Burns Detroit, USA W TKO 4
1931-07-01 King Levinsky Chicago, USA W PTS 10
1930-08-26 Jack McVey Los Angeles, USA NC NC 10
1930-05-27 Dave Shade Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1930-02-14 Maxie Rosenbloom New York City, USA L UD 10
1930-01-31 Arthur Flynn Boston, USA W KO 3
1929-10-29 Mickey Walker Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1929-09-24 Joe Anderson Los Angeles, USA W TKO 6
1929-06-28 Charley Belanger San Francisco, USA W PTS 10
1929-05-24 Tom Moore Hollywood, USA W TKO 3
1929-04-15 Armand Emanuel Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1928-12-28 Rene DeVos New York City, USA W MD 10
1928-10-02 Joe Anderson Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1928-06-21 Mickey Walker Chicago, USA L SD 10
1928-06-05 Buck Holley Lincoln, USA W TKO 2
1928-05-22 Billy Lane Portland, USA W KO 2
1928-02-27 Al Mello Boston, USA W DQ 4
1928-02-17 Sergeant Sammy Baker New York City, USA W PTS 10
1928-01-20 Lew Tendler New York City, USA W UD 10
1928-01-06 Mike Rozgall Omaha, USA W KO 5
1927-11-29 Herman Auerbach Los Angeles, USA W TKO 4
1927-09-16 Arizona Joe Rivers Phoenix, USA W KO 3
1927-07-25 Sergeant Sammy Baker Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1927-06-15 Sergeant Sammy Baker New York City, USA L TKO 7
1927-06-01 Al Mello Long Island City, USA W PTS 10
1927-04-22 Sid Socklyn Hollywood, USA W TKO 4
1927-04-12 Lew Tendler Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1927-03-08 Bert Colima Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1927-02-15 Billy Atkinson Los Angeles, USA W TKO 5
1927-02-01 Billy Alger Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1927-01-10 Pat Corbett Lincoln, USA W PTS 10
1926-10-29 Phil McGraw New York City, USA W PTS 12
1926-08-27 Phil McGraw Brooklyn, USA W PTS 15
1926-08-06 Stanislaus Loayza Brooklyn, USA D PTS 12
1926-06-25 Ruby Goldstein Brooklyn, USA W KO 4
1926-06-04 Phil Salvadore Hollywood, USA W TKO 8
1926-05-26 Tommy O'Brien Los Angeles, USA D PTS 10
1926-04-14 Johnny Adams Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1926-03-12 Sammy Santos San Diego, USA W PTS 10
1926-03-05 Johnny Lamar Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1926-02-17 Tommy O'Brien Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1926-01-22 Frankie Schaeffer Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1925-11-14 Mushy Callahan Vernon, USA L PTS 10
1925-11-06 Johnny O'Donnell Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1925-10-21 Mike Ballerino Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1925-09-16 Mushy Callahan Los Angeles, USA D PTS 10
1925-09-04 Dick Hoppe Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1925-08-11 Lou Paluso Vernon, USA D PTS 10
1925-07-10 Sid Terris East Chicago, USA L NWS 10
1925-06-06 Tommy O'Brien Los Angeles, USA L DQ 5
1925-04-07 Joe Benjamin Vernon, USA W PTS 10
1925-03-07 Frank Barrett Los Angeles, USA W PTS 4
1925-02-27 Pat Mills Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1925-02-06 Spug Myers Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1925-01-09 Tommy Carter Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1924-12-19 Dick Hoppe Hollywood, USA W PTS 4
1924-11-28 Frankie Schaeffer East Chicago, USA W NWS 8
1924-11-24 Russie LeRoy Sioux City, USA L NWS 10
1924-11-14 Frankie Schaeffer East Chicago, USA W NWS 8
1924-11-07 Johnny O'Donnell Omaha, USA W PTS 10
1924-10-24 Frankie Schaeffer East Chicago, USA L NWS 8
1924-09-19 Sammy Leonard Omaha, USA L DQ 3
1924-09-04 Kid Worley Lincoln, USA W TKO 9
1924-08-29 Russie LeRoy Sioux City, USA L NWS 10
1924-08-20 Ever Hammer Omaha, USA W DQ 7
1924-07-21 Eddie DeBeau Sioux City, USA W NWS 10
1924-07-01 Eddie McCarthy McCook, USA W PTS 0
1924-06-26 Reddy Blanchard Omaha, USA W TKO 5
1924-05-27 Battling Strayer Lincoln, USA W TKO 8
1924-05-24 Si Sandage Sioux City, USA W KO 6
1924-05-14 Frankie Dean Omaha, USA W PTS 8
1924-05-07 Jack Zalice Des Moines, USA W NWS 8
1924-03-25 Erwin Bud Bige Lincoln, USA W PTS 10
1924-03-17 Jack O'Toole Omaha, USA W PTS 10
1924-02-29 Rusty Jones Omaha, USA W KO 2
1924-02-12 Battling Strayer Lincoln, USA W PTS 10
1924-01-22 Bobby Slater Lincoln, USA W KO 4
1924-01-18 Erwin Bud Bige Omaha, USA D PTS 6
1923-12-14 Johnny Harris South Omaha, USA W KO 8
1923-12-08 Harry LaBarra Sioux City, USA W NWS 10
1923-11-07 Buddy Chambers Omaha, USA W PTS 6
1923-10-19 Harold Plude Omaha, USA D PTS 8
1923-09-20 Sailor Larsen York, USA W KO 3
1923-09-06 Len Schwabel Lincoln, USA W PTS 10
1923-08-24 Rusty Evans Central City, USA W KO 8
1923-07-04 Al ? Bridgeport, USA W PTS 10
1923-06-08 Stubby Morse Alliance, USA W KO 2
1923-04-27 Johnny Harris Lincoln, USA D PTS 8
1923-04-18 Rusty Evans York, USA D PTS 10
1923-04-10 Harold Jelsma Lincoln, USA D PTS 5
1923-02-21 Kid Worley Grand Island, USA L PTS 8
1923-01-19 Kid Worley Grand Island, USA D PTS 8
1923-01-12 Erwin Bud Bige Omaha, USA L PTS 4
1922-12-29 Eddie Ferris South Omaha, USA W KO 1
1922-11-11 Bud Hamilton Alliance, USA D PTS 10
1922-06-02 Frank Conley Harlan, USA W KO 1
1922-05-15 Speed Springer Wahoo, USA L PTS 8
1922-04-19 Harold Jelsma Tecumseh, USA W PTS 6
1922-03-10 Harold Jelsma Lincoln, USA D PTS 4

Record to Date
Won 69 (KOs 25) Lost 20 Drawn 12 Total 102

Bert Colima

Alias Whittier Bearcat
Birth Name Ephram Romero
Country USA
Global Id 13677
Hometown Whittier, CA
Birthplace Whittier, CA
Division Middleweight
Born 1902-09-08
Died 1979-10-24
Stance Orthodox
Height 173cm


Career Record © www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1933-09-26 Phil Brubaker Fresno, USA L TKO 2
1933-07-11 Hy Litter El Paso, USA L KO 1
1933-07-03 Ernesto Sagues El Paso, USA D PTS 10
1933-06-27 Red Gregory Ontario, USA NC NC 0
1933-06-10 Art Taylor Los Angeles, USA W KO 2
1933-06-03 Baby Joe Wolcott Los Angeles, USA W KO 1
1933-05-13 Clyde Hull Los Angeles, USA W PTS 6
1933-03-09 Del Smith Pasadena, USA L TKO 3
1933-03-02 Larry Navarro Los Angeles, USA NC NC 0
1933-02-16 Del Smith Pasadena, USA W PTS 4
1933-02-09 Art Taylor Pasadena, USA W PTS 4
1933-01-19 Billy Papke, Jr. Pasadena, USA L KO 1
1932-05-08 Luis Arizona Mexico City, Mexico L KO 1
1932-04-09 Firpo Segura Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 12
Mexican Heavyweight Title
1932-01-12 Tommy King Los Angeles, USA L TKO 8
1931-12-01 Tommy Herman Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1931-08-12 Kid Mexico Wilmington, USA W PTS 0
1931-05-18 Benny Miller Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1931-03-17 Johnny Kerns San Bernardino, USA W TKO 5
1930-09-16 Oscar Rankin Los Angeles, USA L DQ 3
1930-08-24 Tom Moore Nogales, USA W KO 3
1930-06-10 Homer Sheridan Los Angeles, USA W KO 3
1930-05-16 Homer Sheridan Hollywood, USA D PTS 10
1930-04-17 Johnny Grella Pasadena, USA W KO 3
1930-03-28 Johnny Grella Ventura, USA W KO 2
1930-03-18 Willie Feldman Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1930-03-07 Johnny Grella Tucson, USA W KO 1
1930-01-31 Jack Kilbourne San Francisco, USA D PTS 10
1930-01-21 Joe Peregrina Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1929-10-13 Joe Dundee Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
Mexican Welterweight Title
1929-09-18 Owen Phelps Phoenix, USA W DQ 5
1929-08-11 Hilario Martinez Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
Mexican Middleweight Title
1929-07-23 Joe Anderson Portland, USA D PTS 10
1929-06-28 Everett Strong Hollywood, USA L DQ 1
1929-05-03 Everett Strong San Diego, USA W DQ 5
1929-04-26 Tiger Johnny Cline Sacramento, USA W PTS 10
1929-04-09 Billy Rogers Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1929-03-26 Wilson Yarbo Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1929-03-10 Eddie Mackey Las Vegas, USA W KO 2
1929-02-12 Johnny Gill Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1929-01-15 Walcott Langford Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1928-12-21 Warnie Smith Hollywood, USA W TKO 3
1928-11-02 Joe Cardoza Hollywood, USA D PTS 10
1928-10-07 Tommy White Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 12
Mexican Middleweight Title
1928-09-21 Billy Rogers Phoenix, USA D PTS 10
1928-09-14 Young Johnny Burns Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1928-08-17 Roy Moore Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1928-07-09 Dave Shade Chicago, USA L KO 7
1928-06-29 Everett Strong Hollywood, USA L DQ 1
1928-05-30 Walcott Langford Tijuana, Mexico W KO 7
1928-05-08 Wilson Yarbo Fresno, USA L DQ 4
1928-04-22 Jack Moore Tijuana, Mexico W KO 2
1928-04-20 Lew Chester Hollywood, USA W TKO 7
1928-03-20 Walcott Langford Los Angeles, USA L DQ 6
1928-02-21 Joe Anderson Los Angeles, USA D PTS 10
1927-12-13 Charley Long Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1927-11-09 Charley Long Oakland, USA L KO 6
1927-10-14 Herman Auerbach Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1927-09-02 Ray Pelkey San Francisco, USA W KO 6
1927-08-12 Mark Judge Hollywood, USA W KO 10
1927-08-02 Everett Strong Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1927-07-22 Izzy Tanner San Diego, USA W TKO 2
1927-05-24 Dave Shade Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1927-05-15 Mickey Wallace Nogales, Mexico W KO 3
1927-04-19 Tiger Thomas Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1927-03-31 Tiger Bob Robinson Culver City, USA W KO 1
1927-03-08 Ace Hudkins Los Angeles, USA L PTS 10
1927-02-23 Billy McGowan Fresno, USA W TKO 4
1927-02-08 Joe Anderson Vernon, USA W PTS 10
1927-01-21 Young Johnny Burns Hollywood, USA W KO 7
1926-12-10 Joe Roche Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1926-11-25 Tiger Johnny Cline Culver City, USA W PTS 10
1926-11-05 Joe Roche Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1926-10-23 Everett Strong Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1926-09-03 Billy Atkinson Hollywood, USA W PTS 10
1926-08-25 Carl Adams Wilmington, USA W TKO 7
1926-07-13 Cowboy Jack Willis Vernon, USA W DQ 6
1926-06-29 Cowboy Jack Willis Vernon, USA L KO 5
1926-06-01 Owen Phelps Vernon, USA W TKO 2
1926-05-05 Bobby Corbett Mexico City, Mexico W KO 2
1926-04-11 Buck Holley Mexico City, Mexico W KO 2
1926-03-26 Arthur Schaekels Mexico City, Mexico L DQ 1
1926-02-23 Sailor Larry Vernon, USA W KO 9
1926-02-09 Ted Moore Vernon, USA L KO 4
1925-10-10 Dago Joe Gans Los Angeles, USA W TKO 7
1925-08-25 Leo Lomski Seattle, USA L KO 2
1925-07-28 Eddie Huffman Vernon, USA L PTS 10
1925-06-09 Henry Melcar Vernon, USA W PTS 10
1925-05-12 Kid Mexico Vernon, USA W TKO 2
1925-04-17 Battling Ivy Bakersfield, USA W KO 2
1925-02-24 Mickey Walker Vernon, USA L DQ 7
1924-11-25 Jack Perry Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-11-20 Benny Richards Whittier, USA W PTS 4
1924-11-19 Joe Burkhardt Pasadena, USA NC NC 0
1924-11-18 Mike Dempsey Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-09-09 Bob Sage Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-09-02 Bob Sage Vernon, USA L DQ 1
1924-08-26 Joe Eagan Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-08-12 Dave Shade Vernon, USA D PTS 4
1924-07-15 Dave Shade Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-07-01 Mickey Rockson Vernon, USA D PTS 4
1924-06-20 Bobby Corbett Hollywood, USA W KO 2
1924-06-13 Dick Evans Compton, USA NC NC 0
1924-06-02 Jackie Clark Venice, USA W KO 2
1924-05-29 Frankie Denny San Francisco, USA NC NC 1
1924-05-27 Bermondsey Billy Wells Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-05-22 Tommy McCarthy El Rio, USA W KO 2
1924-05-13 Bermondsey Billy Wells Vernon, USA L DQ 1
1924-05-10 Dick Evans Los Angeles, USA W KO 2
1924-04-15 Bermondsey Billy Wells Vernon, USA L PTS 4
1924-03-18 George Manley Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-02-19 Jimmy Delaney Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1924-01-02 Leo Matlock San Fernando, USA W KO 2
1923-12-21 George Manley Hollywood, USA L PTS 4
1923-12-11 Jack Reeves Vernon, USA D PTS 4
1923-11-13 Jimmy Delaney Vernon, USA D PTS 4
1923-11-02 Marty Foley Hollywood, USA W PTS 4
1923-10-25 Michael Mike Downey Los Angeles, USA W KO 1
1923-09-25 Henry Melcar Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1923-09-03 Jimmy O'Hagan Emeryville, USA D PTS 4
1923-08-21 Blackie Rice Vernon, USA W KO 2
1923-08-15 Sunny Jim Williams Los Angeles, USA W PTS 4
1923-07-10 Jimmy O'Hagan Vernon, USA L PTS 4
1923-07-04 Oakland Jimmy Duffy Emeryville, USA D PTS 4
1923-06-12 Frank Farmer Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1923-06-07 Sailor Larry El Rio, USA W KO 3
1923-05-29 Frank Murphy Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1923-05-16 Jack Reeves Oakland, USA W PTS 4
1923-05-09 Billy Shade Oakland, USA W PTS 4
1923-05-02 Racehorse Roberts Oakland, USA W PTS 4
1923-04-24 Tom King Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1923-04-10 Billy Shade Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1923-04-01 Red Uhlan Mexicali, Mexico W KO 10
1923-02-20 Tillie Kid Herman Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1923-02-13 Tillie Kid Herman Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1923-01-26 Sailor Benny Ritter Hollywood, USA W PTS 4
1922-11-01 Frank Barrieau Oakland, USA D PTS 4
1922-10-25 Lee Anderson Oakland, USA W PTS 4
1922-08-22 Frank Barrieau Vernon, USA D PTS 4
1922-08-15 Gordon McKay Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1922-08-01 Kid Mexico Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1922-07-25 Sailor Larry Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1922-07-11 Billy Gibbs Vernon, USA W TKO 3
1922-06-06 Young George Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1922-03-29 Tiger Johnny Cline San Diego, USA W PTS 4
1922-03-21 Young George Vernon, USA L PTS 4
1922-02-21 Johnny Wolgast Vernon, USA W TKO 2
1922-02-07 Travie Davis Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1922-01-31 Marty Farrell Vernon, USA L PTS 4
1921-11-25 Dave Rosenberg New York City, USA L PTS 10
1921-11-10 George Shade New York City, USA W PTS 8
1921-10-28 Young Fisher Syracuse, USA D PTS 15
1921-10-03 Frank Carbone Brooklyn, USA W DQ 5
1921-09-05 Frankie Notter Long Island City, USA W PTS 12
1921-07-25 Jack Delaney Brooklyn, USA L TKO 7
1921-05-10 Young George Vernon, USA L PTS 4
1921-05-03 Kid Mexico Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1921-03-31 Steve Dalton San Bernardino, USA NC NC 3
1921-02-01 Johnny McCarthy Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1921-01-25 Tommy Robson Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1921-01-11 Marty Farrell Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1921-01-04 Johnny Celmars Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1921-01-01 Ray Neal Delhi, USA D PTS 4
1920-11-30 Buck Holley Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-11-16 Joe Eagan Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-11-09 Harvey Thorpe Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-10-12 Young George Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-09-28 Herb Brodie Vernon, USA W KO 2
1920-09-21 Perry Lewis Vernon, USA W KO 2
1920-08-31 Steve Dalton Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-08-24 Jimmy Storey Vernon, USA W KO 1
1920-08-10 Young George Vernon, USA D PTS 4
1920-08-03 Andy Palmer Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-07-20 Salinas Jack Robinson Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-07-06 Happy Woods Bisbee, USA W KO 6
1920-06-10 Frankie Jones San Francisco, USA W PTS 4
1920-06-03 Bum Spears Oakland, USA D PTS 4
1920-05-20 Joe Ferro San Francisco, USA W DQ 2
1920-05-14 Rex Morris San Francisco, USA W KO 1
1920-05-04 Johnny Meyers Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-04-13 Frank Loughrey Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-03-30 Allie Nelson Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-03-26 Mike Doll Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-02-26 Happy Woods Tucson, USA D PTS 10
1920-02-06 Sailor Battling Renshaw Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1920-01-28 Charlie 'Kid' Dalton San Fernando, USA W PTS 4
1920-01-16 Georgie Moss Vernon, USA L PTS 4
1920-01-09 Georgie Moss Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1919-12-13 Andy Palmer Tucson, USA L KO 5
1919-11-14 Sailor Harvey Wilson Vernon, USA W KO 3
1919-11-07 Jack Sparr Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1919-10-31 Dick McManus Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1919-10-10 Jack Sparr Los Angeles, USA W KO 4
1919-09-25 Eddie Hamlin San Bernardino, USA W PTS 4
1919-09-19 Paul Herman Long Beach, USA W PTS 4
1919-09-16 Billy Wilson Vernon, USA W PTS 4
1919-09-12 Paul Brewster Long Beach, USA W PTS 4
1919-09-11 Soldier Cummings San Bernardino, USA W PTS 4
1919-08-28 Joe Flores San Bernardino, USA W KO 1
1919-08-22 Soldier Cummings Long Beach, USA D PTS 4

Record to Date
Won 135 (KOs 48) Lost 38 Drawn 21 Total 200

Amir Khan's new coach Jorge Rubio of Cuba (R) works with him on the pads
during a training session at their gym in Bolton, northern England July 30, 2008.
REUTERS/Nigel Roddis (BRITAIN)

Guys, You show Colima or Hudkins records to some of the "fans" nowadays and right away you are gonna hear, "look how many fights Colima lost. or look how many fights Hudkins lost"".They couldnt have been that good".
The losses when it comes to these great fighters dont tell the story.In fact the losses when it comes to many , many fighters dont tell the story.
Its WHO they manned up and competed against.Its when and where they fought. Fighting injured, fighting every week, getting shafted in the other guys hometown, etc etc.
When looking at a guys record its like buying a car .Always check under the hood.

Hey Bobin . . . I look forward to your sharing some of your pics. That was a great story and your memories of things up in San Fran during our era are of great interest to me. Especially the gym, was it Newman-Herman Gym? I was there once, with Mel Epstein while up north to visit a former boxer he had who lived in Burlingame. Also, my friend Ray Lunney III will likely join in on our thread in due course. I heard a lot of great first hand Bobo Olsen stories up there, as well as Charley Shipes, etc. A lot of great Foreman-Dick Saddler stories, as well. By the way, did you ever see or here about Foreman's sparring session with Sonny Liston???? Just curious.

-Rick[/quote]

Rick,
I really need to get those pictures out and scan them, I was really into photography at the time and have a lot of good pictures of Foreman training for Ali. That gym I referanced was indeed Newman & Herman's gym, it was owned and operated by Billiy Newman & Joe Herman, I beleive Billy Newman managed Bobo Olson for a while among many others and Joe Herman was Henry Clark's manager among many others. Newman's was absolutly my favorite place in the world and I miss it to this day. Walking down the long hall from the street you could here guys banging away on the heavy bags and slapping the double end and my heart raced with every step closer just waiting to see who might be there that day. I orginally started there at 12 years old but moved over to the PAL gym who had a wonderful trainer named Earl Gonsolin and guys my age and skill level at the time. I went back to Newmen's & Herman's on the weekends becasue the PAL gym was closed and it was the highlight of my week. My father would take my younger brother and I there and point out the retired guys as well as the active guys. I would take pictures and get autographs and haunt the place looking for old posters and stuff to add to my collection, Billy Newman would save stuff for me when I came in on the weekends, some I still have some I donated to a boxing museum a while ago. I will share what I do have soon.
The PAL had a nice little gym in the old National Guard Armory down on 14th & Mission St. Henry Clark eventually migrated down there as well as Ray Lunny III where I sparred many rounds with him as a 16 & 17 year old; I still have some 8mm film of us boxing there as well as some pictures of Ray II, Ray III and me goofing off. The Lunny's were gentlemen of the highest caliber. I now live about 30 miles south of S.F. where Ray III was raised and would often see Ray II in around town and he would tease me about being out of my weight division. Ray III is with the San Mateo County Sheriff's Department now. I sat with Ray at a Nor-Cal Vet. Boxer dinner a while back he looks to be in fighting shape except his jet black hair has turned white. Ray II died a couple years back I was very sad when I heard the news partly for me but mostly because I knew how close him and Ray III were. I hope Ray gets involved in this great forum I would love to hear some of his imput.
I don't know about the Liston-Foreman sparring session but would have loved to have been there; did that take place at Newman's? What do you know about it?
Bobbin & Weavin in
Nor-Cal[/quote]

Hey Rick,
I reposted this from last week because I wanted to hear what you knew about Foreman & Liston sparring and am interested what your connection with Ray Lunny III is. I also want to compliment all of your guys, Rick, Frank, Dagos, Randy, etc., etc., on this 250 pages of boxing history not just for So-Cal interest but any true boxing fan should take the opportunity to read this blog. I am jealous only that I was geographically in the wrong place otherwise I would have hopefully crossed paths with some of you before I signed up for this advanced class in the history of boxing.
Thanks,
Bobbin & Weavin
in Nor-Cal

It was guys like Walker, Hudkins and the "Michigan Assassin" Stanley Ketchel that Mel was speaking about when he spoke of the real men in boxing. Your grandfather chose his fighters wisely.[/quote]



Randy, Mel told me, and likely yourself, a story about the day 23-year-old Ketchell was shot to death, by the jealous husband of a lady Ketchell was involved with. Mel said, "the husband had a rifle, saw Ketchell sitting at the kitchen table , eating his breakfast at the kitchen table in a dark shirt, with the flour from his wife's hands leaving their image on Stanley's back." The wife was baking a pie as Ketchell ate, her hands covered in flour. I think Epstein was attempting to discourage my running around. Who knows? Mel was often a bit off the beaten path. Remember how he'd get irritated if he thought you weren't listening? He'd turn to the side and begin speaking to an imaginary friend. Shaking his head as he vented to his invisable friend. Like you, more than once was I left sitting at a table just because the waitress didn't serve his salad a chilled plate. Something like that would send him off the deep end.

Here's an example of a Mel Epstein thought: "I hate that God damn Ed Sullivan!", he'd say. "You know that prick is responsible for all of our problems today? He brought those f___ing Beatles over here and ruined the country! Those dirty bastards and that filthy hair, they carry germs, and they walk around barefoot in the street, which means they got "SCREW WOIMS!".

I was amazed. "Mel, what in the Hell is a "screw worm?", I asked. "SCREW WOIMS live in the asphalt, waiting for some dirty, bare foot to step on it, then it turns into cork-screw and drills itself right up the heel of the foot and into their system, it goes to the brain and makes them crazy. And they breed in that God Damn filthy hair. Now everybody is on drugs, and I can't get a cold plate because this dizzy waitress is on drugs. I can tell."

Whoa! That was Mel. Sound familiar Randy? Did he ever talk about screw worms or long hair???

-Rick

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
Ace Hudkins vs Bert Colima

When I was a kid growing up in Pico Rivera, California there was an old man that lived across the street from us, he was good friends with my father. He had a heavy bag and speed bag set up in his garage. He was pretty good with both considering his age. I can't remember his first name, I'm not sure I ever knew it, we just called him Ortiz. He claimed to have fought and lost to Ace Hudkins. I've looked for an Ortiz in Hudkins record and I haven't found one. Maybe he fought under another name. A lot of guys did that back then. He just never struck me as a bullshitter. I just thought I would share that.

As you know Randy, not all records are accurate or complete. They do a pretty good job on Boxrec, however, sometimes historians dig up lost facts This is where the detective-like, information seeking "historian" will dig up a lost, or unrecorded event. And it could have been a smoker, a gym sessions, a bar??? A fight was a fight with Ace Hudkins, from what I've heard. And my grandfather was also a fan of Colima, a big fan. One is an early memory of my grandfather remembering a boxer when he would shout "give it to heem Colima!" I didn't know exactly what my grandad wanted Colima to give the guy, but I understood it had something to do with an "ass whipping".


-Rick

kikibalt wrote:

Bennie,

My 1955 Buick with my daughter, Linda, standing along side of it, on the day she made her First Holy Communion, we're Catholic's, circa..1963.

Those are nice wheels, Frankie. In England in 1963 the cars were naff.

kikibalt wrote:
Colin Jones vs Donald Curry

Jones stopped by the doctor (just out of shot) before his fight with Don Curry had seemingly barely started in England in January 1985 (fourth round). The Welsh banger picked up a shocking cut on the bridge of the nose, an old injury that reopened. There was a packed house - a huge house - and it nearly all went off but for MC Mike Shinfield who pleaded for calm, although a few beer cans were hurled into the ring. Oh man, Curry looked so quick and sharp in the short time it lasted! It was like Leonard-Green all over again, minus the chilling knockout.
This was F rank Warren's first world title promotion.

Expug wrote:That fight that Duran won against Barkley shocked me.
I was at the aformentioned fight that he had with Jeff Lanas right before Barkley and Roberto looked awful.
In fact I thought the dec. against Lanas could have gone either way.
Then Duran turns around and beats a tough Iran Barkley.

Duran really let himself down against Lanas, and nearly got beat, shades of Kirkland Laing.
In his previous fight Roberto had picked up a shocking cut in stopping transplanted Swede Paul Thorne (now a rock star, can you believe) in Atlantic City and clearly couldn't fight or train for a little while, as the cut healed. A little while became a long while. In the six long months from Thorne to Lanas, Duran had ballooned. He was so overweight, he was forced to train in the gym the very night before the Lanas 10-rounder in an effort to come anywhere near the middleweight limit (he still weighed six pounds over). Pug has already revealed this.
Small wonder Duran was in a bad mood, although instead of eyeballing Pug (and getting it right back), he should have carried on training between rounds himself. Duran had already been forced to go running that day, at least, which must have been a sight for any passing Chicago-ite: fat, slow legend alert.
I did a bit of checking up on the fight, and Duran landed a low left hook in the second round and Lanas went down. Duran lost a point. Lanas, who had been stopped THREE times, fought back hard and never looked in any more trouble. Duran fought in spurts, landing one or two punches, tying up Lanas but never being able to subdue the white Chicago fighter, who snarled at Duran and invited him to trade and found him easy to tag at times. Duran continued to show only glimpses of what he could do and needed a big ninth round to pull ahead a bit, although Lanas shared the last and landed three jabs and a right-hander when Duran stuck his chin out and couldn't pull his head away in time. Duran clearly underestimated his opponent in front of a crowd of around 5,000 (2,800 paid). It certainly served as a wake up call for the Barkley showdown four months later.

kikibalt wrote:
Amir Khan's new coach Jorge Rubio of Cuba (R) works with him on the pads
during a training session at their gym in Bolton, northern England July 30, 2008.
REUTERS/Nigel Roddis (BRITAIN)

Nice shot. Khan struggled in his last fight, minus a proper trainer, and this guy has been quickly recruited. I've never even heard of Rubio, although time will judge him.
Khan is unbeaten and lightning-quick but rumours about his chin persist.

Incidentally, on the subject of Colin Jones, this guy was a frightening puncher at his best.
Check this display out, courtesy of Collins2000:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv6kI3l4HLY

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
Colin Jones vs Donald Curry

Jones stopped by the doctor (just out of shot) before his fight with Don Curry had seemingly barely started in England in January 1985 (fourth round). The Welsh banger picked up a shocking cut on the bridge of the nose, an old injury that reopened. There was a packed house - a huge house - and it nearly all went off but for MC Mike Shinfield who pleaded for calm, although a few beer cans were hurled into the ring. Oh man, Curry looked so quick and sharp in the short time it lasted! It was like Leonard-Green all over again, minus the chilling knockout.
This was F rank Warren's first world title promotion.

Bennie, I felt for Colin Jones in this fight. His tears were not only for the fact the fight was stopped but for the fact that he knew this was his last shot at the title and ultimately his final fight also. After blowing two close ones to Milt McCrory (Man, I leapt from my chair when he hurt McCrory in the 1st fight), a man he could stand with, he ends up with a much more daunting task in Curry. The minute the Doc said it was over, Jones fell apart emotionally as indeed, it was over.

Scartissue

bennie wrote:

Expug wrote:That fight that Duran won against Barkley shocked me.
I was at the aformentioned fight that he had with Jeff Lanas right before Barkley and Roberto looked awful.
In fact I thought the dec. against Lanas could have gone either way.
Then Duran turns around and beats a tough Iran Barkley.

Duran really let himself down against Lanas, and nearly got beat, shades of Kirkland Laing.
In his previous fight Roberto had picked up a shocking cut in stopping transplanted Swede Paul Thorne (now a rock star, can you believe) in Atlantic City and clearly couldn't fight or train for a little while, as the cut healed. A little while became a long while. In the six long months from Thorne to Lanas, Duran had ballooned. He was so overweight, he was forced to train in the gym the very night before the Lanas 10-rounder in an effort to come anywhere near the middleweight limit (he still weighed six pounds over). Pug has already revealed this.
Small wonder Duran was in a bad mood, although instead of eyeballing Pug (and getting it right back), he should have carried on training between rounds himself. Duran had already been forced to go running that day, at least, which must have been a sight for any passing Chicago-ite: fat, slow legend alert.
I did a bit of checking up on the fight, and Duran landed a low left hook in the second round and Lanas went down. Duran lost a point. Lanas, who had been stopped THREE times, fought back hard and never looked in any more trouble. Duran fought in spurts, landing one or two punches, tying up Lanas but never being able to subdue the white Chicago fighter, who snarled at Duran and invited him to trade and found him easy to tag at times. Duran continued to show only glimpses of what he could do and needed a big ninth round to pull ahead a bit, although Lanas shared the last and landed three jabs and a right-hander when Duran stuck his chin out and couldn't pull his head away in time. Duran clearly underestimated his opponent in front of a crowd of around 5,000 (2,800 paid). It certainly served as a wake up call for the Barkley showdown four months later.

My Dad and I were two of the 5000 that night. There was no way a legend was going to roll into town and I was going to miss him. And there was no way I would have perceived him to beat Barkley off of this showing. I recall when Lanas was an amateur, his Dad Cliff Lanas sent him down to Colorado Springs for some fine tuning. He comes back ready to set the amateur world on fire (he was a good local pug with sort of a refined tear-away style) with what he learned. I'm one of the judges for his bout so I had a birds eye view of things. It was funny really. What he learned was this duck and slip move, which was choreographed so mechanically every time that I think everyone in the arena was timing it. I know I was and I was the friggin' judge. I was muttering to myself, "OK, throw a left hook...now!" Which is exactly what his opponent was doing. After losing the first two rounds, Lanas threw out what he learned, went back to his old style, won the round but lost the fight, Even Colorado Springs can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Scartissue

Randyman wrote:Frank, I responded to your email. I'm not sure if it went through. I seem to be having problems. Let me know.
Randy

Randy,

It didn't come throught.

British Olympic boxing team take a rest during a training session in Macau, Sunday, August 3, 2008.

Scar, do you remember a fighter named Danny Blake?
This guy had one of the best chins ever. He lost alot, but sometimes it was because he was robbed .
He knocked out Lenny Lapaglia twice though.
Anyway he fought Lanas on a card I fought on and thumped Lanas , but they gave it to Jeff.
It would have been 83.
Take a look at Danny Blakes record, I dont think he was ever down.

kikibalt wrote:
British Olympic boxing team take a rest during a training session in Macau, Sunday, August 3, 2008.

We have a few good lads in The Games, including one called Frankie Gavin. Sadly, I lost interest in amateur boxing a long time ago (I used to love it). Headguards, computer scoring, you know...