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TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

granberry wrote:Ali's mouth and nose were still bleeding when they helped him down the ring steps after his fight with Jimmy Young.

I was standing right there.

Here is the youtube of the Ali-Young finale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5NSX5nqqNo

Can you please point out the cuts on Ali's mouth and nose and tell us which of the gentlemen was you?

Thank you.

Please, don't bring that stuff here, we don't need any pretenders (not meaning you) in this thread, you are welcome here, just don't trash the thread with that Ali stuff.....

Rick, Frank or anyone else,
There was some mention of middleweight Mike Nixon a ways back in this thread & if I remember correctly one of you knew him fairly well; I had always thought Mike started his career in San Francisco & thought I remembered him from Newman's Gym & I see by looking at his record he had his 1st & 2nd fights in the Bay Area; then the other night going I found a picture of him goofing around for the camera with Emile Griffith at Newman's Gym, so I called my father who reminded me that I lent my sparring gloves to Mike to box with Griffith once. So what's was his story, I know he was a New Yorker but did he get to So Cal through Nor Cal? What's the rest of his story?
Thanks,
Bobbin & Weavin
in Nor Cal

Now you really have me curious about the Foreman-Liston sparring session; but in due time someone will come around who can enlighten us.
I agree one hundred percent about getting Ray to particapate in this thread, his family has boxing in their DNA and from his experieces and what he heard from his father and others around him would be a great addition. I was looking through Ray Jr. record on BoxRec and see that he fought all of his early fights in So-Cal and overall more than two thirds of all of his fights down there. I have a nice picture of Ray Jr. in his fighting days that he signed and gave me And a fair share of pictures of Ray III's fight with Ben Villaflor the reigning super featherweight champion who Ray was giving a pretty good licking to when the fight was stopped and called a TD because Villaflor had suffer a bad cut from an accidental head butt, it was call a TD because Lunny was well ahead on the score cards.
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Geez Bobbin, your post on Lunney got me thinking. Ray did KO Frankie Crawford, who also was KOed by Villaflor in Jan. 1972. This brings me to a funny story about Crawford, just a couple days after being iced in one by the Filippino-Hawiian in Honolulu. Crawford calls me a couple days after arriving back in town, and asks me if I could give him a ride down to Mando Ramos' Belmont Shores Apt. I was always open to visiting Ramos, who at the time was preparing for Pedro Carrasco.

When I pull in front of Crawford's Apt. in North Hollywood, the former featherweight contender wasn't out on the front sidewalk, where he said he'd be. I was a bit irritated and had to try pulling into a small parking space until he surfaced. Out of the corner of my eyes I see this person lurking around the side of the building wearing a silly hat and a big pair of women's sunglasses. I wonder, "What the Hell is this . . . ?" Suddenly, the person starts to hurry toward my car, as I'm trying to park, and I think, "this A-hole is trying to jack my car." Suddenly the guy opens the passenger door, slides into the seat and I hear this very distinct voice, unusually deep for a skinny 130 pounder, "Let's get the fu_k outta here". It was kinda like this guy had just held up a bank and I was his only way out. It's Crawford, of course, and he hadn't robbed a bank, he was traveling in cognito, somehow concerned that he was going to be noticed and humiliated by boxing fans aware of his one round loss to Villaflor.

You should have seen the guy in that silly hat and the bug eye sun glasses he had on. "I'm laying low." he explained, "I'm talking to nobody!" I didn't have the heart to tell him that not many people, outside a few insiders, were even aware he'd fought Villaflor, not here, not yet. It wasn't the millenium, no computors or cable. Information traveled slow to fans. But I acted like I understood, which no doubt arroused suspicion in Crawford. Everything arroused suspicion with Frankie Crawford. And it was an interesting sight to watch Crawford, "make a stooge" out of an A-Hole. I saw it more than once, usually some phony who disrespected him, or som ebody he "thought" was disrespecting him. It didn't take much for Frankie to tee-off on an A-hole, but he was not a bully, and never would get physical with somebody he knew he could beat easily. Crawford liked to shoot down BIG targets, and Mando Ramos told me stories of giants he'd watch Crawford drop, and I shared a couple I had witnessed.

Anyway, we get down to Mando's apt. and I head up the stairs. I hadn't been there before and didn't know the apartment. Crawford was still downstairs, lurking, as if he was guilty of something. Trying to make himself inconspicuos, which he certainly was not. At the top of the stairs was Mando's apartment, I smelled incense coming thru the screen door, not pot or drugs, just some pungent incense. Mando was taking training serious for his rematch with Carrassco, and had a photo of his opponent taped to the refrigerator inside a target. Mando claimed to be cleaner than ever, and maybe he was. As Crawford slowly stepped up the stairs I banged on the screen door. I could here Mando's voice talking on the phone. He hung up, opened the screen door and greeted me. I stepped in and Mando is looking down the stairway for Crawford. When Frankie gets to Mando's apartment, Ramos blinks his eyes in disbelief. Mando had seen Frankie thru some silly shit over the years, but his disguise was quite amusing.

Ramos looks at Frankie, then me, and asks, "Well . . . who do we have here? 'One Round' Hogan?" I broke up laughing and so did Mando. Crawford got pissed and threatened to kick our asses. Man, it was really funny. Crawford was a very unique charactor during his lifetime. A real piece of work! And a helluva fighter, for sure.

-Rick Farris

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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Rick, Frank or anyone else,
There was some mention of middleweight Mike Nixon a ways back in this thread & if I remember correctly one of you knew him fairly well; I had always thought Mike started his career in San Francisco & thought I remembered him from Newman's Gym & I see by looking at his record he had his 1st & 2nd fights in the Bay Area; then the other night going I found a picture of him goofing around for the camera with Emile Griffith at Newman's Gym, so I called my father who reminded me that I lent my sparring gloves to Mike to box with Griffith once. So what's was his story, I know he was a New Yorker but did he get to So Cal through Nor Cal? What's the rest of his story?
Thanks,
Bobbin & Weavin
in Nor Cal

Bobbin . . . I was a stablemate of Nixon's for a couple of years. I've lots ofNixon stories, both in the ring and, more interesting, out of the ring. I knew the family, and his relationship with the Quarry's, etc. Man, I'll share some stories in dur course relating to Mike Nixon, but I haven't time tonight. I last ran into Mike, who had taken residence at the Santa Monica townhouse of the late actor, Chris Penn, in 1992.

Looking forward to discussing Mike Nixon here. Another piece of work.


-Rick

kikibalt wrote:

Rick,

We missed each other on the phone, the reason I call was to tell you
that I took my wife for a drive, she is going nuts just staying at home
and she is driving me nuts... :x ..,anyway we took a drive to our old
stomping grounds and I shot these photos of the Eastside Boys & Girls Club,
remember when you fought there?

It looks kind of run down, don't it?

As Frank knows, I boxed here several times, the last in early 1968. I remember it was close to one of those East L.A. cemetaries, with the gigantic head stones, on a street named McConnell, or something like that? I liked the place because I always won when I fought there, and so did all three of the Baltazar boys and Albert Davila the last time I stepped thru the doors, exactly forty years ago.

-Rick

Harold Dade
BORN March 24 1923; Chicago, Illinois
DIED July 17 1962; Los Angeles, California
HEIGHT 5-5
WEIGHT 117 3/4 - 133 lbs
MANAGER Gus Wilson
TRAINER Duke Holloway

Dade was a quick, competitive scrapper who won the Bantamweight Championship of the World from a great warrior, Manuel Ortiz - proof that hard work pays off; He and Ortiz battled three times, twice for that crown

During his career, he defeated such men as Manuel Ortiz, Lauro Salas, Tony Olivera, Jackie McCoy, Joey Dolan, Charley Riley, Manny Ortega, Jesus Fonseca, Elley Bennett and Joey Velez


*** AMATEUR BOUTS ***

1940
Gene Evans W
-Chicago Golden Gloves Flyweight (112 lbs) Championship

Demetrio Carabella L
-Inter-City 112 lbs Championship

1941
Paul Carbetta W
-Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions
Flyweight (112 lbs) Championship
Diogenes Leon L
-Inter-City 112 lbs Championship

Tony Peppi Boston, Ma W
Lawrence Torpy Boston, Ma L
-The previous 2 bouts were part of the National AAU
Flyweight Championship; Dade finished second

*** PROFESSIONAL BOUTS ***

1942
Dec 18 Ceferino Robleto Hollywood, Ca W 4

1943
Jan 4 Jose Robleto Ocean Park, Ca D 6
Jan 8 Orville Young Hollywood, Ca TK 4
Jan 18 Ceferino Robleto Ocean Park, Ca D 8
Feb 19 Chester Ellis San Diego, Ca W 10
Feb 26 Pedro Ramirez Hollywood, Ca L 6
Mar 22 Victor Flores Ocean Park, Ca W 8
Apr 22 Victor Flores San Diego, Ca W 10
May 11 Dave Hernandez Los Angeles, Ca W 6
-Some sources report "W 10"
May 14 Joey Dolan Portland, Or W 10

1946
Apr 9 Ruperto Garcia San Jose, Ca KO 3
Apr 16 Billy Clark Fresno, Ca KO 2
Apr 26 Jesse Salazar Hollywood, Ca KO 3
Apr 30 Joe Borjon Flores Fresno, Ca W 8
May 7 Billy Gibson Fresno, Ca W 8
Sep 9 Juan Leanos Ocean Park, Ca W 10
Dec 13 Joey Dolan Portland, Or W 10

1947
Jan 6 Manuel Ortiz San Francisco, Ca W 15
-Bantamweight Championship of the World
Feb 12 Speedy Cabanella Oakland, Ca W 10
Mar 11 Manuel Ortiz Los Angeles, Ca L 15
-Bantamweight Championship of the World
Apr 2 Tony Olivera Oakland, Ca W 10
May 6 Carlos Chavez Los Angeles, Ca D 12
May 27 Jackie McCoy San Jose, Ca W 10
Jul 22 Carlos Chavez Los Angeles, Ca L 12
Aug 26 Simon Vergara Los Angeles, Ca L 10
Oct 18 Speedy Cabanella Manila, Philippines W 10
Nov 19 Star Navan Manila, Philippines W 10
Dec 23 Manny Ortega Los Angeles, Ca W 10

1948
Jan 6 Bobby Jackson Los Angeles, Ca TK 7
Mar 3 Lauro Salas Sacramento, Ca W 10
Mar 16 Jackie McCoy San Jose, Ca W 10
Apr 3 Luis Galvani Havana, Cub LF 8
Apr 14 Carlos Chavez Los Angeles, Ca L 10
Jun 3 Jackie Graves Minneapolis, Mn L 10
Jun 21 Charley Riley Chicago, Il W 10
Jul 12 Charley Riley St. Louis, Mo D 10
Aug 28 Luis Galvani Havana, Cub L 10
Sep 28 Henry Davis Honolulu, Oahu, Hi L 10
Oct 29 Charley Riley Chicago, Il W 8
Dec 7 Lauro Salas Los Angeles, Ca W 12

1949
Jan 18 Joey Clemo Seattle, Wa W 10
Feb 16 Joey Velez Spokane, Wa W 10
Mar 1 Aaron Joshua Portland, Or TK 5
Apr 14 Joey Ortega Tacoma, Wa W 10
May 31 Jesus Fonseca Los Angeles, Ca W 10
Jul 21 Rodolfo "Corky" Gonzales Denver, Co L 10
Sep 2 Sandy Saddler Chicago, Il L 10
Sep 30 Frank Flannery Melbourne, Vic, Aus W 12
Oct 17 Elley Bennett Sydney, NSW, Aus W 12
Nov 22 Rodolfo "Corky" Gonzales St. Paul, Mn L 10
Dec 12 Willie Pep St. Louis, Mo L 10

1950
Jan 2 Keith Nuttall Salt Lake City, Ut L 10
Jan 18 Baby Leroy Sacramento, Ca D 10
Jan 31 Keith Nuttall Salt Lake City, Ut L 10
Feb 14 Chico Rosa San Jose, Ca D 10
Mar 7 Manuel Ortiz Los Angeles, Ca TL 10
Apr 4 Eddie Chavez San Jose, Ca LK 5
Apr 24 Eddie Chavez San Francisco, Ca L 10
Jul 14 Rudy Garcia Hollywood, Ca LT 11
Sep 24 Kid Chocolate II Colon City, Panama W 10
Oct 4 Stanley "Rocky" McKay Colon City, Panama L 10
-Some sources report 10/08/50
Dec 3 Stanley "Rocky" McKay Colon City, Panama L 10
-Some sources report "Balboa, Panama"

1951
Jan 30 Percy Bassett Philadelphia, Pa LK 8
Mar 6 Felix Ramirez San Jose, Ca L 10
Apr 22 Memo Valero Mexico City, Mex LF 5
Jun 1 Fabala Chavez Hollywood, Ca L 10
Jun 28 Diego Sosa Havana, Cub L 10
-Some sources report 6/30/51

1952
Feb 28 Bobby Woods Spokane, Wa W 10
Jun 22 Lauro Salas Monterrey, Mex LK 4
-Some sources report "LK 3"
Nov 27 Bobby Woods Vancouver, BC, Can L 10

1953
Apr 9 Ernie Kemick Calgary, Alberta, Can L 10

1955
Mar 29 Paul Jorgensen Houston, Tx LK 3


*** The Following Bouts Are Reported But Not Confirmed ***

1943
Ceferino Robleto Los Angeles W 4
Pedro Ramirez Hollywood, Ca L 6
Jose Robleto Hollywood, Ca W 10

1944
Al Gregorio KO 2
McDon KO 1

1946
Chico Carvajal San Diego, Ca KO 7

*** Assistance Provided By Seth Callis ***

Record courtesy of Tracy Callis, Historian, International Boxing Research Organization

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Expug wrote:Im with ya Bennie.
The amateur scene doesnt really interest me anymore either.
I havent followed it in awhile.

I'm with you guys also, I don't watch amateur boxing myself.

I don't either. The International rules have turned amateur boxing into a game of senseless tag. They do not acknowledge the reality of "fighting" in boxing. I recall in the 80's, I accompanied Greg & Joe Goossen to an amateur card up in Oxnard. They were bringing Gabe & Rafael Ruelas. Greg was hung over and when we all got to the arena, Greg asked one of the officials in their clean white uniform, "Hey, where are the fighter's dressing rooms?" The official looked offended and corrected Goossen, "the BOXER's dressing room is over there. We don't have "fighters" here." Greg just laughed, "Well, I have to two "fighters" here, and if their opponents aren't "fighters", they're going to be in BIG trouble". Sure enough, Gabe & Rafa both flattened their 'boxer' opponents. Guess some people don't realize that boxing is about fighting, I rememeber two young men who got an education that day.

-Rick

The 'suits' are rife within the amateur boxing world. Brendan Ingle says they hold down menial jobs in the day and then get a bit of power at night. You can judge a man not by how he handles poverty but by how he handles power.

Honey

Five rounds.

Unrecognisable

Rick Farris wrote:

Expug wrote:Dagos ,I agree.
However , recently I was dissapointed in the behavior of one of our modern day champs, Floyd Mayweather jr.
I was working security backstage a year or so ago at a Beyonce concert and Mayweather and his , posse , security team were there.
It was him and about ten guys each about three hundred and fifty pounds. They were clownish in their behavior , but the main thing was Floyd walking around "Rapping" and dancing as if he was part of the show and Yapping on his cell phone in the press lounge with his feet up on the table where people eat there meals.
I thought I was gonna have a problem with these people , I really did.
All at once , they got up and left, which was good. It was obnoxious and behavior that I could never picture a guy like Joe Louis exhibiting.

I agree. Look at the way the cable stations promote boxers, and the big show as a fighter enters the ring. I loved Tyson just coming down the aisle like a warrior, ala Dempsey. How I enjoyed watching little Prince Hamed entering the ring on a flying carpet, only to get his ass-kicked by Marco Antonio Barrera, a REAL Mexican fighter. What happened to the Prince afterwards? He disappeared and has yet to show his face anywhere near a boxing ring. And Mando Ramos? There was a guy who could generate true excitement just nodding his head to the crowd. Today, we have rap music and guys spending more thought on choreographing a ring entrance than defeating their opponents. Hey Randy, what do you think Mel Epstein would say about Floyd Mayweather Jr.???

-Rick

Rick, Hamed shows his face every now and then at ringside, fat and scruffy looking, although he has money. He disappeared after Barrera because he was banged up for dangerous driving. He badly injured another motorist while showing off in his high-powered car. The victim broke every bone in his body.

Geez Bobbin, your post on Lunney got me thinking. Ray did KO Frankie Crawford, who also was KOed by Villaflor in Jan. 1972. This brings me to a funny story about Crawford, just a couple days after being iced in one by the Filippino-Hawiian in Honolulu. Crawford calls me a couple days after arriving back in town, and asks me if I could give him a ride down to Mando Ramos' Belmont Shores Apt. I was always open to visiting Ramos, who at the time was preparing for Pedro Carrasco.

When I pull in front of Crawford's Apt. in North Hollywood, the former featherweight contender wasn't out on the front sidewalk, where he said he'd be. I was a bit irritated and had to try pulling into a small parking space until he surfaced. Out of the corner of my eyes I see this person lurking around the side of the building wearing a silly hat and a big pair of women's sunglasses. I wonder, "What the Hell is this . . . ?" Suddenly, the person starts to hurry toward my car, as I'm trying to park, and I think, "this A-hole is trying to jack my car." Suddenly the guy opens the passenger door, slides into the seat and I hear this very distinct voice, unusually deep for a skinny 130 pounder, "Let's get the fu_k outta here". It was kinda like this guy had just held up a bank and I was his only way out. It's Crawford, of course, and he hadn't robbed a bank, he was traveling in cognito, somehow concerned that he was going to be noticed and humiliated by boxing fans aware of his one round loss to Villaflor.

You should have seen the guy in that silly hat and the bug eye sun glasses he had on. "I'm laying low." he explained, "I'm talking to nobody!" I didn't have the heart to tell him that not many people, outside a few insiders, were even aware he'd fought Villaflor, not here, not yet. It wasn't the millenium, no computors or cable. Information traveled slow to fans. But I acted like I understood, which no doubt arroused suspicion in Crawford. Everything arroused suspicion with Frankie Crawford. And it was an interesting sight to watch Crawford, "make a stooge" out of an A-Hole. I saw it more than once, usually some phony who disrespected him, or som ebody he "thought" was disrespecting him. It didn't take much for Frankie to tee-off on an A-hole, but he was not a bully, and never would get physical with somebody he knew he could beat easily. Crawford liked to shoot down BIG targets, and Mando Ramos told me stories of giants he'd watch Crawford drop, and I shared a couple I had witnessed.

Anyway, we get down to Mando's apt. and I head up the stairs. I hadn't been there before and didn't know the apartment. Crawford was still downstairs, lurking, as if he was guilty of something. Trying to make himself inconspicuos, which he certainly was not. At the top of the stairs was Mando's apartment, I smelled incense coming thru the screen door, not pot or drugs, just some pungent incense. Mando was taking training serious for his rematch with Carrassco, and had a photo of his opponent taped to the refrigerator inside a target. Mando claimed to be cleaner than ever, and maybe he was. As Crawford slowly stepped up the stairs I banged on the screen door. I could here Mando's voice talking on the phone. He hung up, opened the screen door and greeted me. I stepped in and Mando is looking down the stairway for Crawford. When Frankie gets to Mando's apartment, Ramos blinks his eyes in disbelief. Mando had seen Frankie thru some silly shit over the years, but his disguise was quite amusing.

Ramos looks at Frankie, then me, and asks, "Well . . . who do we have here? 'One Round' Hogan?" I broke up laughing and so did Mando. Crawford got pissed and threatened to kick our asses. Man, it was really funny. Crawford was a very unique charactor during his lifetime. A real piece of work! And a helluva fighter, for sure.

-Rick Farris

-[/quote]

When Lunny signed to fight Crawford everyone was wondering if they were pushing Ray too fast; this was only to be his 11th fight & Frankie's was pushing 60 fight at a high rate of success, of course Ray had an extensive amature career & obviously Frankie was on the downhill side of his career. The Lunny's had a game plan to take the fight to Crawford because of him being so "ringwise" they didn't want it to get into the late rounds; obviously it worked. I would love to get Ray's perspective on it now. I would also like to hear what Ray has to say about the way the Villaflor fight went, I remember the papers saying they would seek a rematch but I think Villaflor had seen all of Ray he wanted.
Reading your story about you & Frankie's visit to see Mando is why I'm hooked on this threat, I laughed out loud when you said Mando called him "One Round Hogan!
Thanks for making my Monday morning.
Bobbin & Weavin

bennie wrote:

Unrecognisable

What year was this SI?

sockdolager wrote:

bennie wrote:

Unrecognisable

What year was this SI?

Looks like 1980 on the cover, which would make sense. I've seen footage of Ali talking (already slurring some of his words) about the pending Holmes fight, wearing a moustache.

¨Tio,mira mi espalda.¨
My nephew pulled up his shirt. There were lash marks on his back. He told me he was walking down by the river late at night and these men with masks asked him for money.He said he had none so they threw him in a car and took him into an alley had beat him with a cane.
¨Usa drogas todavia?¨,I asked my nephew.
His eyes were cloudy and he kept wiping his mouth.
¨No tio. No .¨
He started to scratch his arms.
¨Prestama un poco dinero tio?¨
I told him I didn´t want to give him any money. He´d just gotten out of jail for assaulting his father. He told me to walk with God and continued to go down the street.

I was waiting for my grandaughter to get ready, We were going to the Cultural Center. She was to instruct the girls in Flamenco and I was to present Gato´s painting to the director of the center. My grandaughter came out with her bag.
¨Ïsn´t Brenda going? I asked¨
Ï guess not.She´s late.
I was disappointed that her cousin didn´t show up. I wanted to¨see her do something different. She seemed very excited last night. Brenda is a very pretty girl. Her father died of a bad liver less than a year ago.

It started to rain. At first a little ,then in torrents like it can in the mountains of Michoacan. As I started to drive down the hill towards town,I turned on the radio. I couldn´t find anything. No music. The electric storm messed up the reception. As we passed the the church,I noticed somebody wrote the number 18 on the wall near the steps of the church.

I had to park far away from the Cultural Center- There were many cars on the street. Two boys with shaved heads were standing in front of the center. One of the boys spoke English. He was wearing a football jersey. They didn´t go inside. I heard one of them say Örale,buey. ¨They left and went to the arcade.

¨Donde esta Conrado?¨
I asked for the director. I was saddened to hear that he was expecting me and my grandaughter tomorrow. Everything would start tomorrow. The Flamenco classes and the presentation. I said I must have misunderstood. I asked my grandaughter in Spanish if she wanted to see the stadium were Gato fought 40 years ago. The lady heard me. She said they don´t use the stadium anymore. The built a new one up a ways. The old one is a parking lot now.

I said to my grandaughter that we´ll ry again tomorrow. Just then Brenda came running in.
¨Tio,Que Paso?¨
She thought we were going to leave an hour later. She was ready to dance. I gave her a hug and a kiss.Her clothes were sopping wet. She was out of breath and was crying.

When we drove back.I made sure that I did not pass the old stadium.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick,

We missed each other on the phone, the reason I call was to tell you
that I took my wife for a drive, she is going nuts just staying at home
and she is driving me nuts... :x ..,anyway we took a drive to our old
stomping grounds and I shot these photos of the Eastside Boys & Girls Club,
remember when you fought there?

It looks kind of run down, don't it?

As Frank knows, I boxed here several times, the last in early 1968. I remember it was close to one of those East L.A. cemetaries, with the gigantic head stones, on a street named McConnell, or something like that? I liked the place because I always won when I fought there, and so did all three of the Baltazar boys and Albert Davila the last time I stepped thru the doors, exactly forty years ago.

-Rick

Could be worse, guys. I'm told that, for a while, our old gym in Oklahoma City became a florist shop! I think its a laundromat now.

Carlos Chavez

Don Jordan

Jackie Hayden
Was timekeeper at the Olympic and Hollywood

Don Grant

kikibalt wrote:

Carlos Chavez

Chavez engaged in a some real barn burners with the great Manuel Ortiz, if I recall correctly.

kikibalt wrote:

Carlos Chavez

Carlos Chavez is built like pitbull.

Yes he did Tom, also beat Art Aragon, in the rematch with Aragon he went in the tank. ko 1 first rd.

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Carlos Chavez

Carlos Chavez is built like pitbull.

Yes he was, and the thing is, that he was not a puncher at all, very good boxer, but little power.

Carlos Chavez (L) vs Art Aragon