Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

I must be the only one on this forum who is clueless as to what the 'ignore' button is.

Could someone enlighten me.

Hi Bennie. Go to the top of the page and click the "user control panel." Once there, at the left side of the screen, scroll down to "Friends and Foes." Click on that, and then click the "Manage Foes" option. From that screen you can list foes and people whose messages you want to ignore.

Looking around at these other threads,its amazing how it is the same freakin topics about heavyweights constantly.
Ali, Marciano, who beats who, the top 28 of all time etc etc.
Is the search function broken or what?
Personaly,I feel the career of say , Bobby Chacon is a helluva lot more interesting then Ali or any other heavyweight for that matter.

Agree with you Pug, I see lots of redundant threads on the heavyweights too.

[Rick Farris]

Hey Frank . . .

In a photo posted of DeLaHoya with Arum, Oscar's former "trainer" Robert Alcazar was also there. I have a question for you. After the 70's and early 80's, I really had no association with amateur boxing in L.A. A lot of names that came to be familiar are strange to me. Where did Robert Alcazar come from? Did you know him? This is what I know about Robert Alcazar. He was a guy who worked with Oscar's father, and was brought in to wrap the boxer's hands. I remember as a kid Oscar was taught by a guy name Joe Manjares (spelling) in East LA, I think at Resurrection. I knew that Manarjes was kicked to the side by Joel DeLaHoya Sr. after Oscar won the amateur world championship. The only Alcazar I recall boxing amateur in L.A. during the 60's was a part-time tax collector from ELA that Jimmy Lennon Sr. used to introduce as . . . Hector "The Collector" Alcazar. Just curious, I know Alcazar used to get nervous everytime papa Joel would bring in a new trainer to work with Oscar. Jealousy would arise, the same old same old.

-Rick

[Rick Farris]

I must be the only one on this forum who is clueless as to what the 'ignore' button is.

Could someone enlighten me.

Hi Bennie. Go to the top of the page and click the "user control panel." Once there, at the left side of the screen, scroll down to "Friends and Foes." Click on that, and then click the "Manage Foes" option. From that screen you can list foes and people whose messages you want to ignore.

Looking around at these other threads,its amazing how it is the same freakin topics about heavyweights constantly.
Ali, Marciano, who beats who, the top 28 of all time etc etc.
Is the search function broken or what?
Personaly,I feel the career of say , Bobby Chacon is a helluva lot more interesting then Ali or any other heavyweight for that matter.

I'm with you! These guys don't know boxing, just the same old crap, and Ali always is a great subject to fuel controversy. Why must there always be controversy? I guess those of weak constitution who would never box themselves have to have a safe place to play tough. This isn't about looking for a fight, but to talk about fighters, the real fighters, the best fighters with people who really know the sport. Tha's what this group is, everyone of you. Glad to be a part of this forum. If you check the logs of my posting, you'l see I never stray from this place. Why go to the YMCA for boxing knowledge when you've trained at Main Street Gym, that's us, whether we fought or not, we resepct boxing in it's proper light.

-Rick

[raylawpc]

I must be the only one on this forum who is clueless as to what the 'ignore' button is.

Could someone enlighten me.

Hi Bennie. Go to the top of the page and click the "user control panel." Once there, at the left side of the screen, scroll down to "Friends and Foes." Click on that, and then click the "Manage Foes" option. From that screen you can list foes and people whose messages you want to ignore.

Looking around at these other threads,its amazing how it is the same freakin topics about heavyweights constantly.
Ali, Marciano, who beats who, the top 28 of all time etc etc.
Is the search function broken or what?
Personaly,I feel the career of say , Bobby Chacon is a helluva lot more interesting then Ali or any other heavyweight for that matter.

[kikibalt]

Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott...II
May 15, 1953


Far more digusted than hurt Jersey Joe Walcott in his corner following his stunning
first round knockout at the hands of Rocky Marciano. Marciano the winner by knockout
at 2:25 minutes of round one.

[kikibalt]

Hey Frank . . .

In a photo posted of DeLaHoya with Arum, Oscar's former "trainer" Robert Alcazar was also there. I have a question for you. After the 70's and early 80's, I really had no association with amateur boxing in L.A. A lot of names that came to be familiar are strange to me. Where did Robert Alcazar come from? Did you know him? This is what I know about Robert Alcazar. He was a guy who worked with Oscar's father, and was brought in to wrap the boxer's hands. I remember as a kid Oscar was taught by a guy name Joe Manjares (spelling) in East LA, I think at Resurrection. I knew that Manarjes was kicked to the side by Joel DeLaHoya Sr. after Oscar won the amateur world championship. The only Alcazar I recall boxing amateur in L.A. during the 60's was a part-time tax collector from ELA that Jimmy Lennon Sr. used to introduce as . . . Hector "The Collector" Alcazar. Just curious, I know Alcazar used to get nervous everytime papa Joel would bring in a new trainer to work with Oscar. Jealousy would arise, the same old same old.

-Rick

Rick,

I had never seen or heard of Alcazar until De La Hoyo turn pro, this the first time I heard of Joe Manjares, I met Oscar in 1990 when he and Al Stankie were in Lake Tahoe when Tony fought Hector Camacho and they were trying to bum tickets from me, I always though that Stankie had been DLH long time trainer, but I might be wrong on that.

[kikibalt]

The Filipino Flash Ties the Knot: IBO/IBF Flyweight Champion Nonito Donaire and soon to be wife, Rachel Marcial on their Marriage

We here at RSR want to congratulate our very own Feature Writer and host of the “Ask the Champ” mailbag, IBO/IBF Flyweight Champion, Nonito Donaire on his upcoming marriage to Rachel Marcial. Nonito is not the only fighter in this family, with his wife winning several competitions in the art of taekwondo. Nonito even mentions that that was part of the reason why he fell in love with her: “She’s a fighter!”

The wedding is taking place today (August 8th) on Carmel by the Sea Beach at Stewart’s Cove, a romantic place for this union. The loving couple were introduced by a mutual friend in boxer Ana Julaton, and now intend to be the happiest fighting couple in the world.

We here at RSR toast the new married couple and wish them a long and happy union. With their fighting skill, we will probably see the next generation of champions emerge from Nonito and Rachel. Congratulations!

[kikibalt]

[Randyman]

I'm with you! These guys don't know boxing, just the same old crap, and Ali always is a great subject to fuel controversy. Why must there always be controversy? I guess those of weak constitution who would never box themselves have to have a safe place to play tough. This isn't about looking for a fight, but to talk about fighters, the real fighters, the best fighters with people who really know the sport. Tha's what this group is, everyone of you. Glad to be a part of this forum. If you check the logs of my posting, you'l see I never stray from this place. Why go to the YMCA for boxing knowledge when you've trained at Main Street Gym, that's us, whether we fought or not, we resepct boxing in it's proper light.

-Rick

I could not agree more with you Rick. It's one of my pet peeves, both on boxing forums and in life. I love to talk about boxing and fighters and nothing bugs me more than when someone wants to talk about themselves ad nauseum, or what they would do or could do. The trash talkers on the forums are the worst. The guys on this particular site are real boxing people. That's the difference. You're right, we respect boxing and the men that have fought their hearts out.
Randy

[kikibalt]

SUGAR SHANE MOSLEY RETURNS TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TO FACE RICARDO “EL MATADOR” MAYORGA AT THE HOME DEPOT CENTER IN CARSON ON SEPT. 27

For Immediate Release

MOSLEY’S FIRST BOUT IN LOS ANGELES AREA SINCE 2000

LOS ANGELES (August 7, 2008) —Four-time world champion Sugar Shane Mosley has agreed to tangle with former three-time world champion and supreme provocateur Ricardo “El Matador” Mayorga at The Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif., on Saturday, Sept. 27.

The last time Sugar Shane Mosley stepped foot in the ring in Los Angeles was against Oscar de la Hoya in 2000 at STAPLES Center, in a fight that catapulted him to boxing superstardom. Eight years later, on Saturday, Sept. 27, Mosley will return home to fight at the Home Depot Center in Carson, California, a Los Angeles suburb, for the first time since that epic bout to face three-time world champion Mayorga in a boutcontested at the 154-pound limit.

Tickets for the event priced at $350, $150, $75 and $50 go on sale Thursday, Aug. 7 and can be purchased at all Ticketmaster outlets, on the Web at www.Ticketmaster.com or charge-by-phone at (213) 480-3232. Tickets are also available for sale at The Home Depot Center Box Office, open Monday through Friday, 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. PT, and on event days. Event suites, group packages and VIP packages are available by calling 1-877-AEG-TICKETS (1-877-234-8425) or by visiting www.aegtickets.com.

“It’s been eight years since I fought at home and I can’t wait to fight at The Home Depot Center,” Mosley said. “Mayorga’s a big talker and I know things are going to heat up between us, but I’ve been down this road before. All the talking in the world isn’t going to help him when we step into the ring, that’s where Mayorga will have to eat his words”.

Mayorga followed by saying, “Fernando Vargas and all of his supporters in Southern California told me I couldn’t back up the talk in November but I did,” referring to his domination of former two-time world champion “Ferocious” Fernando Vargas at STAPLES Center on Nov. 23. “I will do to Mosley exactly what I did to Vargas or even worse. Mosley will have to prove to me he can stand up and fight the way Vargas tried to do.”

President of Golden Boy Promotions Oscar de la Hoya, who having fought both fighters has a unique vantage point said, “I know Mosley and Mayorga very well, having been in the ring with both of them and in all honesty, nothing compares to Shane’s speed or Ricardo’s power. That makes this a perfect clash of styles and one that should result in a great fight when the bell rings.”

Don King, Mayorga’s promoter, who thinks Mayorga will win if he comes in at his best commented, “Mayorga too often fights two opponents, himself and the other guy. Shane Mosley should pray that Mayorga continues to fight two opponents. If Mayorga fights single-mindedly, nobody can beat him. The only person that can beat Mayorga is Mayorga. I predict Mayorga will put on one of the best performances of his life and knock Sugar Shane Mosley out.”

Golden Boy Promotions Chief Executive Officer Richard Schaefer, who is happy to be bringing Mosley back to his Southern California fans, responded, “Bringing Shane Mosley home to fight in Los Angeles has been a goal of ours for years and finally that dream has become a reality. Add in the great reception that Ricardo Mayorga got when he beat Fernando Vargas last year in Los Angeles and I’m sure this is an event that all fight fans will want to see.”

Kery Davis, Senior Vice President of Programming of HBO Sports, said, “September 27th should be an exciting night of boxing and we are really looking forward to presenting the action live on HBO. We have a doubleheader on tap for the evening and there is plenty on the line for all the fighters.”

Rod O’Connor, General Manager of The Home Depot Center, said, “The Home Depot Center and AEG are proud to partner once again with Golden Boy Promotions and Don King Productions to bring another marquee fight to southern California boxing fans. In 2008, The Home Depot Center has hosted two of boxing’s most storied matchups, including Vazquez vs. Marquez III and De La Hoya vs. Forbes. Mosley vs. Mayorga on September 27th will complete the year’s greatest hat trick in boxing.”

A world champion in three weight classes who has honorably worn the “Sugar” name, Sugar Shane Mosley, 36, (44-5, 37 KOs) is considered one of boxing’s all-time best. A native of Pomona, California, Mosley won his first title in 1997 when he defeated Philip Holiday for the IBF World Lightweight crown. Mosley successfully defended his Lightweight title eight times, impressively winning them all by knockout. Mosley then skipped the junior welterweight division and moved directly to welterweight. In his third fight at 147 pounds, Mosley in 2000, defeated Oscar de la Hoya for the WBC World Welterweight title, the first of two wins over “The Golden Boy.” The second victory over De La Hoya, in 2003, netted Mosley the WBC and WBA Super Welterweight belts. After two close losses to Winky Wright in 2004, Sugar Shane returned with a vengeance, winning five of six bouts that included two stoppage victories of Fernando Vargas, a win over Luis Collazo and a razor-thin decision loss to Miguel Cotto. On Saturday, Sept. 27, Mosley plans on starting another winning streak at the expense of Ricardo Mayorga.

Mayorga (28-6-1, 22 KOs), 34, hails from Managua, Nicaragua. He burst upon the boxing world in 2002 in his first world title shot against then-World Boxing Association welterweight champion Andrew “Six Heads” Lewis. A virtual unknown at the time, Mayorga taunted his opponent by allowing him to punch him in the face repeatedly while he left his hands at his waist before sending the champion to the canvas with a thunderous assault in round five that left Lewis unfit to continue in the match. Few could have predicted at the time that Mayorga would shock the world again when he took on Boxing Writers Association of America 2002 Fighter of the Year Vernon “The Viper” Forrest, who held the WBC World Welterweight Title when they met. Forrest appeared to be as perplexed as Lewis when the Nicaraguan bomber smothered him with a barrage of combinations that sent him to the canvas in the first round. Forrest lasted until just the third round before the referee waved off the beating. Mayorga proved he was no fluke by agreeing to an immediate rematch with Forrest where he notched a majority-decision win. In his last 10 fights, Mayorga has faced five reigning world champions, four former world champions and one world-ranked fighter.

Mosley vs. Mayorga is presented by Golden Boy Promotions and Don King Productions with Mosley promoted by Golden Boy Promotions and Mayorga by Don King Productions and sponsored by Cerveza Tecate and Southwest Airlines. The bout will be televised live as part of a double header on HBO’s World Championship Boxing beginning at 7:30 p.m. PT/10:30 p.m. ET. The co-featured bout will be announced shortly.

[kikibalt]

PACQUIAO-DE LA HOYA MATCH IS A FARCE

By Michael Swann
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In a perfect world Oscar De La Hoya would be facing Antonio Margarito on December 6 in his farewell fight. Margarito, who had just won the WBA welterweight title from previously undefeated Miguel Cotto, is hands down the very best opponent from a competitive standpoint and could even fight at 150 pounds if Oscar was to so choose.

Oscar has faced the very best throughout his career-- Felix Trinidad, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley (twice) are examples of De La Hoya’s desire to mix it up with the best. Yes, he lost to them all, and the fact is that he has never beaten a premier fighter at their peak. So if safe to say that the odds would be stacked against him with Margarito as well, but he could proudly walk away from the ring saying, “I took them all on and I never ducked a tough fight.”

But that would be in a perfect world.

At one time Oscar was saying that he would never fight a Puerto Rican, such as Cotto, because he had promised his wife Millie, a Puerto Rican native. However, just prior to Margarito-Cotto, De La Hoya said that a fight with the winner would be a great way for him to go out.

Then Oscar said that he didn’t want to fight a Mexican because he didn’t want to upset his Mexican-American fans. That, at least for the time being, ended the hopes of the Tijuana resident Margarito.

When Top Rank CEO Bob Arum, who promotes Margarito, mentioned this in a room of reporters, the remark was met with laughter. When a young, prime Oscar De La Hoya beat up Mexican hero Julio Cesar Chavez, there was some blow back from the Hispanic community, but not so much that he didn’t fight and beat him up again.

A couple of weeks ago, with Oscar running out of international options, and thinking that the Manny Pacquiao rumors were just too ridiculous, I would have bet money on Sergio Mora getting the call.

There you would have had two East LA guys, probably fighting in LA, for the WBC 154 pound belt that Mora won from Vernon Forrest in June. Oscar could leave the game with yet another belt against a very beatable opponent who couldn’t break an egg with his fists. His fans would love it and everyone goes home happy.

Then Mora signed to give Forrest a rematch on September 13 on the undercard of the Golden Boy promoted Juan Manuel Marquez-Joel Casamayor fight on HBO PPV, and so much for that idea.

It was becoming more and more apparent that Oscar was seeking out Pacquiao, and Manny, who had just recently moved up in weight to win a 135 pound belt is willing to accept the challenge at 147 to make the fight. Reportedly Arum, who also promotes Pacquiao, is wheeling and dealing with Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaeffer to bring Oscar-Pac to fruition.

Pacquiao began his career at 106 pounds 13 years ago, gradually building into a lightweight. He also gives away four inches in height and six inches in reach to De La Hoya.

Oscar is now a natural 154 pounder, who will have to struggle to make the 147 pound limit. Manny said that he would probably weigh in at 142 and enter the ring around 149.

If Oscar had reconsidered and fought Cotto, he would have enjoyed the same height and reach advantages as he would have with Pacquiao. Against Mayweather, Oscar fought the naturally smaller man. Another previous opponent possibility, Ricky Hatton, if anything, is shorter than Manny.

Margarito and De La Hoya have similar physical characteristics, plus there’s the fact that Tony is a power punching beast with a granite chin who fights three minutes a round. There won’t be any rest in the late rounds for a fading veteran with wilting stamina.

It seems as if for Oscar, size matters in his farewell bout. If Pacquiao falls through, look for him to pluck a Munchkin out of Oz.

Of course it goes without saying that when you have a match between an international superstar and pound for pound best such as Manny and boxing’s biggest box office attraction in Oscar, you’ll be counting a lot of beans after the fight.

But, aside from the commercial appeal, what’s the point?

You could argue the point that Pacquiao has nothing to lose and everything to gain while it is an absolute must win for Oscar. How damaging would a loss be to his legacy, not to mention embarrassing that he could lose with so many physical advantages? Even if he wins, it’s like, so what?

After all, just how far can Manny be expected to carry his power? How well can he be expected to take a punch from a man who has fought all the way up the middleweight division? On the other hand, if little Manny Pacquiao floors Oscar, or cuts him, or simply runs circles around him and wins a decision, the De La Hoya era will end with a sickening thud for his supporters.

Oscar’s fight with Mayweather Jr. proved that a commercial success does not a good fight make. There are just way, way too many drawbacks in a De La Hoya-Pacquiao matchup to make it even remotely dramatic.

I would pick Manny in a fight with Ricky Hatton, but moving up to fight Oscar is just too tall of a mountain to climb.

[kikibalt]

[bennie]

Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott...II
May 15, 1953


Far more digusted than hurt Jersey Joe Walcott in his corner following his stunning
first round knockout at the hands of Rocky Marciano. Marciano the winner by knockout
at 2:25 minutes of round one.

What happened in this fight? From memory Walcott just sort of stayed down.

[Counter-puncher]

I'm with you! These guys don't know boxing, just the same old crap, and Ali always is a great subject to fuel controversy. Why must there always be controversy? I guess those of weak constitution who would never box themselves have to have a safe place to play tough. This isn't about looking for a fight, but to talk about fighters, the real fighters, the best fighters with people who really know the sport. Tha's what this group is, everyone of you. Glad to be a part of this forum. If you check the logs of my posting, you'l see I never stray from this place. Why go to the YMCA for boxing knowledge when you've trained at Main Street Gym, that's us, whether we fought or not, we resepct boxing in it's proper light.

-Rick

I could not agree more with you Rick. It's one of my pet peeves, both on boxing forums and in life. I love to talk about boxing and fighters and nothing bugs me more than when someone wants to talk about themselves ad nauseum, or what they would do or could do. The trash talkers on the forums are the worst. The guys on this particular site are real boxing people. That's the difference. You're right, we respect boxing and the men that have fought their hearts out.
Randy

i'd just like to say a thank-you to all the regular contributors- too many to list- on this great thread.

It's inspiring to see the amount of knowledge, enthusiasm, and love for our sport. I have taken a couple of months to read through the entire thread and have really enjoyed the time this has taken.

thanks again and keep it up

[raylawpc]

Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott...II
May 15, 1953


Far more digusted than hurt Jersey Joe Walcott in his corner following his stunning
first round knockout at the hands of Rocky Marciano. Marciano the winner by knockout
at 2:25 minutes of round one.

What happened in this fight? From memory Walcott just sort of stayed down.

Walcott gave several different explanations, but they seemed to center on (a) he just lost track of the court, and (b) he blacked out for just a few seconds during the count, or (c) he mistimed the count, and intended to get up at nine. I believe he finally settled on (b) as an excuse.

I don't think he ever picked (d), "The guy gave me hell for 13 rounds a few months go; he had just knocked me down this time; it was only going to get worse; I'm getting to old for this sh*t, so I stayed down."

[dagosd2000]

Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott...II
May 15, 1953


Far more digusted than hurt Jersey Joe Walcott in his corner following his stunning
first round knockout at the hands of Rocky Marciano. Marciano the winner by knockout
at 2:25 minutes of round one.

What happened in this fight? From memory Walcott just sort of stayed down.

Yep,right about that. Hey Bennie,the acting job Walcott and his corner did after the ¨fight was over,would have made Sir Lawrence proud. Very moving performance.¨BTW,the ¨fight¨was in Chicago.Walcott even filed a protest. Nice touch.

[kikibalt]

I'm with you! These guys don't know boxing, just the same old crap, and Ali always is a great subject to fuel controversy. Why must there always be controversy? I guess those of weak constitution who would never box themselves have to have a safe place to play tough. This isn't about looking for a fight, but to talk about fighters, the real fighters, the best fighters with people who really know the sport. Tha's what this group is, everyone of you. Glad to be a part of this forum. If you check the logs of my posting, you'l see I never stray from this place. Why go to the YMCA for boxing knowledge when you've trained at Main Street Gym, that's us, whether we fought or not, we resepct boxing in it's proper light.

-Rick

I could not agree more with you Rick. It's one of my pet peeves, both on boxing forums and in life. I love to talk about boxing and fighters and nothing bugs me more than when someone wants to talk about themselves ad nauseum, or what they would do or could do. The trash talkers on the forums are the worst. The guys on this particular site are real boxing people. That's the difference. You're right, we respect boxing and the men that have fought their hearts out.
Randy

i'd just like to say a thank-you to all the regular contributors- too many to list- on this great thread.

It's inspiring to see the amount of knowledge, enthusiasm, and love for our sport. I have taken a couple of months to read through the entire thread and have really enjoyed the time this has taken.

thanks again and keep it up

Thanks counter!

[dagosd2000]

And then, this Irish lad walked in

THE VISITOR

This guy was at the party last night. No not the one for the paintings I brought of Gato and Jose Alfredo and Vicente at the Cultural Center. No this was a down home Mexican birthday party for my brother in law´s wife´s brother. They had the thing in the ¨Bosque¨. A forest out side Jiquilpan. Not redwoods and pine trees,but ferns and flowers. Very soft pastel colors. A serene little place.

Anyway the picnic area is crowded with all kinds. Little kids,big kids,adults,and los viejitos. Frank,I´m tellin´ya,the best carnitas I ever ate. Pal,I was shakin´the meat off the bone. And of course the tequila and beer was goin´down hot and heavy. Dancing,dancing,and more dancing. This family had 12 sisters in it,well that´s for another post.

I want to get back to our friend in the picture. I about fell over. He came wandering in. Funny,no one seemed to notice him. Only thing different was the shirt. This time he was wearing a shirt that said Ï´m Black and I´m Proud.¨¨I couldn´t take my eyes off of him.

I had to get closer. Yeah,it was him .The guy in the picture. Now don´t tell me I drank too much tequila,or I fell on my head,or I need glasses. IT WAS THE GUY.
He sees me lookin´. He then says,¨What´s ¨this¨?

I remembered what Frank said,Ït´s not important. Go get some food.¨
The guy loads up his plate,sits in the corner by himself,and munches down his food. Still no one sees this guy. At least it appears that way.

But then it hit me. I know who this guy is. Forget the shirt. It´s to throw you off. It´s a ruse. I mean how does this guy get to a little town in Mexico 3000 miles away?.
Take a good look. That image. Open your mind. I think you got it now.

I figure our friend here drops in to things like this party unannounced. He visits and observes people when their guards are down. A bum off the street. Who´d suspect?

Well I remembered Franks answer. Not important. Eat with us. You see Frank got a little test that day. Frank probably was únawre. But you see Frank passed the test.

I figure when the day comes Frank will get the OK. He´ll get his pass. Frank taught me something that day. The greatest teacher saw Frank be a teacher that afternoon. I was glad I learned something. I gave the right answer. I learned it from Frank.

When the day comes I hope I get a pass like Frank will someday. You see, I want to stay in touch with the guy for a long time.

[kikibalt]

And then, this Irish lad walked in

THE VISITOR

This guy was at the party last night. No not the one for the paintings I brought of Gato and Jose Alfredo and Vicente at the Cultural Center. No this was a down home Mexican birthday party for my brother in law´s wife´s brother. They had the thing in the ¨Bosque¨. A forest out side Jiquilpan. Not redwoods and pine trees,but ferns and flowers. Very soft pastel colors. A serene little place.

Anyway the picnic area is crowded with all kinds. Little kids,big kids,adults,and los viejitos. Frank,I´m tellin´ya,the best carnitas I ever ate. Pal,I was shakin´the meat off the bone. And of course the tequila and beer was goin´down hot and heavy. Dancing,dancing,and more dancing. This family had 12 sisters in it,well that´s for another post.

I want to get back to our friend in the picture. I about fell over. He came wandering in. Funny,no one seemed to notice him. Only thing different was the shirt. This time he was wearing a shirt that said Ï´m Black and I´m Proud.¨¨I couldn´t take my eyes off of him.

I had to get closer. Yeah,it was him .The guy in the picture. Now don´t tell me I drank too much tequila,or I fell on my head,or I need glasses. IT WAS THE GUY.
He sees me lookin´. He then says,¨What´s ¨this¨?

I remembered what Frank said,Ït´s not important. Go get some food.¨
The guy loads up his plate,sits in the corner by himself,and munches down his food. Still no one sees this guy. At least it appears that way.

But then it hit me. I know who this guy is. Forget the shirt. It´s to throw you off. It´s a ruse. I mean how does this guy get to a little town in Mexico 3000 miles away?.
Take a good look. That image. Open your mind. I think you got it now.

I figure our friend here drops in to things like this party unannounced. He visits and observes people when their guards are down. A bum off the street. Who´d suspect?

Well I remembered Franks answer. Not important. Eat with us. You see Frank got a little test that day. Frank probably was únawre. But you see Frank passed the test.

I figure when the day comes Frank will get the OK. He´ll get his pass. Frank taught me something that day. The greatest teacher saw Frank be a teacher that afternoon. I was glad I learned something. I gave the right answer. I learned it from Frank.

When the day comes I hope I get a pass like Frank will someday. You see, I want to stay in touch with the guy for a long time.

Great story diego, but you're much too kind to me.... :)

[kikibalt]

Benjamin, where're you?

[bennie]

Benjamin, where're you?

Just got back, Frankie. Finished work and then walked the dogs.

[kikibalt]

Benjamin, where're you?

Just got back, Frankie. Finished work and then walked the dogs.

How many dogs you'all got?

[bennie]

Rocky Marciano vs Jersey Joe Walcott...II
May 15, 1953


Far more digusted than hurt Jersey Joe Walcott in his corner following his stunning
first round knockout at the hands of Rocky Marciano. Marciano the winner by knockout
at 2:25 minutes of round one.

What happened in this fight? From memory Walcott just sort of stayed down.

Walcott gave several different explanations, but they seemed to center on (a) he just lost track of the court, and (b) he blacked out for just a few seconds during the count, or (c) he mistimed the count, and intended to get up at nine. I believe he finally settled on (b) as an excuse.

I don't think he ever picked (d), "The guy gave me hell for 13 rounds a few months go; he had just knocked me down this time; it was only going to get worse; I'm getting to old for this sh*t, so I stayed down."

Thanks, Ray. Jersey Joe stayed down like Liston later would. Poor Joe was slated twice - once as a fighter and once as a referee.
Marciano's shorts border on the flashy.

[bennie]

Benjamin, where're you?

Just got back, Frankie. Finished work and then walked the dogs.

How many dogs you'all got?

Two, Frankie, a big fat labrador and a mad collie.

[bennie]

And then, this Irish lad walked in

THE VISITOR

This guy was at the party last night. No not the one for the paintings I brought of Gato and Jose Alfredo and Vicente at the Cultural Center. No this was a down home Mexican birthday party for my brother in law´s wife´s brother. They had the thing in the ¨Bosque¨. A forest out side Jiquilpan. Not redwoods and pine trees,but ferns and flowers. Very soft pastel colors. A serene little place.

Anyway the picnic area is crowded with all kinds. Little kids,big kids,adults,and los viejitos. Frank,I´m tellin´ya,the best carnitas I ever ate. Pal,I was shakin´the meat off the bone. And of course the tequila and beer was goin´down hot and heavy. Dancing,dancing,and more dancing. This family had 12 sisters in it,well that´s for another post.

I want to get back to our friend in the picture. I about fell over. He came wandering in. Funny,no one seemed to notice him. Only thing different was the shirt. This time he was wearing a shirt that said Ï´m Black and I´m Proud.¨¨I couldn´t take my eyes off of him.

I had to get closer. Yeah,it was him .The guy in the picture. Now don´t tell me I drank too much tequila,or I fell on my head,or I need glasses. IT WAS THE GUY.
He sees me lookin´. He then says,¨What´s ¨this¨?

I remembered what Frank said,Ït´s not important. Go get some food.¨
The guy loads up his plate,sits in the corner by himself,and munches down his food. Still no one sees this guy. At least it appears that way.

But then it hit me. I know who this guy is. Forget the shirt. It´s to throw you off. It´s a ruse. I mean how does this guy get to a little town in Mexico 3000 miles away?.
Take a good look. That image. Open your mind. I think you got it now.

I figure our friend here drops in to things like this party unannounced. He visits and observes people when their guards are down. A bum off the street. Who´d suspect?

Well I remembered Franks answer. Not important. Eat with us. You see Frank got a little test that day. Frank probably was únawre. But you see Frank passed the test.

I figure when the day comes Frank will get the OK. He´ll get his pass. Frank taught me something that day. The greatest teacher saw Frank be a teacher that afternoon. I was glad I learned something. I gave the right answer. I learned it from Frank.

When the day comes I hope I get a pass like Frank will someday. You see, I want to stay in touch with the guy for a long time.

"I'm Black and I'm Proud." Hilarious.