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Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 21:52 The great Oscar delahoya was much more accomplished than the good Pascal Perez.

Oscar De La Hoya was not a great fighter. He was a PPV super star of the 90s and 2000s decade. That's it.

Jaywheel wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 20:18 Is there anything you would like to share with us about the great Golden boy?

It is about the great Azumah Nelson right now. Oscar did not make the cut. Thanks.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 02:26

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 21:52 The great Oscar delahoya was much more accomplished than the good Pascal Perez.

Oscar De La Hoya was not a great fighter. He was a PPV super star of the 90s and 2000s decade. That's it.

Semantics, all we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is Oscar was much more accomplished than pascual Perez. That's it.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 02:28

Jaywheel wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 20:18 Is there anything you would like to share with us about the great Golden boy?

It is about the great Azumah Nelson right now. Oscar did not make the cut. Thanks.

Let's set that aside and learn about the golden boy.

Comedy gold this thread

2001: A GoldenBoy Odyssey

Two historic events happened in 2001 that will be remembered for ages.

Back in 2001, the mustache hadn’t made a comeback yet. The days of Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds were long gone, the hipster trend that would bring it back around 2015 and the Movember hoopla had yet to come.

No surprise that no one wanted a piece of Javier Castillejo. Oscarito did not care about that. I applauded him for it back then, I still do today.

The WBC super welterweight title belt was at stakes, Castillejo was defending it for an astonishing 6th time.

It was a white wash. El lince de parda only landed 18% of the punches he threw. The great Golden Boy an unbelievable 54%.

No fighter should be afraid of the mustaches anymore, nor any man. The mustache was tamed and like the phenix, it’s rebirth would be made with respect in regards to the peaceful world we strive for for humanity.

Also, 911.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 10:16

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 02:26

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑14 Aug 2020, 21:52 The great Oscar delahoya was much more accomplished than the good Pascal Perez.

Oscar De La Hoya was not a great fighter. He was a PPV super star of the 90s and 2000s decade. That's it.

Semantics, all we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is Oscar was much more accomplished than pascual Perez. That's it.

In today's type of how boxing is manipulated anybody could have a better career than the great Pascual Perez.

Heck, there is Wilfredo Vazquez of Puerto Rico. He won 3 titles in 3 weight classes. Why he is not even in the hall of fame?

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 03:32

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 10:16

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 02:26

Oscar De La Hoya was not a great fighter. He was a PPV super star of the 90s and 2000s decade. That's it.

Semantics, all we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is Oscar was much more accomplished than pascual Perez. That's it.

In today's type of how boxing is manipulated anybody could have a better career than the great Pascual Perez.

Heck, there is Wilfredo Vazquez of Puerto Rico. He won 3 titles in 3 weight classes. Why he is not even in the hall of fame?

I don't rate fighters by titles.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 07:09

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 03:32

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑15 Aug 2020, 10:16
Semantics, all we know beyond a shadow of a doubt is Oscar was much more accomplished than pascual Perez. That's it.

In today's type of how boxing is manipulated anybody could have a better career than the great Pascual Perez.

Heck, there is Wilfredo Vazquez of Puerto Rico. He won 3 titles in 3 weight classes. Why he is not even in the hall of fame?

I don't rate fighters by titles.

Me either.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 11:02

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 07:09

elmersalsa wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 03:32

In today's type of how boxing is manipulated anybody could have a better career than the great Pascual Perez.

Heck, there is Wilfredo Vazquez of Puerto Rico. He won 3 titles in 3 weight classes. Why he is not even in the hall of fame?

I don't rate fighters by titles.

Me either.

Azumah Nelson had his two last great wins that established him among the top 100 all-time greats pound per pound of boxing.

His return match against WBC World Jr Lightweight Champion Gabriel Ruelas proved once again that Nelson was the Professor in terms of rematches. At 36 years of age, The Professor ahniliated Ruelas from the beginning, stopping the champ in 5 rounds.

It was a great stoppage in the part of American referee Marty Denkin in which he saved Ruelas from further punishment. Ruelas went down in rounds 1 and 4. He was never in the fight. His American manager, Joe Goosen was protesting the stoppage. He went bezerk. The TRUTH was that Ruelas didn't had it that night. Azumah proved that he was indeed, the better fighter.

Azumah went for revenge now as world champion for the second time of the jr lightweights against former champion Jesse James Leija.

Was this the case of fighter A beats fighter B but cannot beat fighter C? And fighter C cannot beat fighter B?

Nelson, for one night, proved the opposite. Even though in 2 tries he hadn't beaten Leija, Leija lost his crown to Gabriel Ruelas. Who lost the crown back to Nelson.

Nelson dropped Leija in the first round. But, it didn't went easy. Leija regrouped and won rounds 3 and 4. It seems that the tide was going again his way when in round 6 he suffered a cut by a Nelson hook. The cut got worse and Nelson like a shark went for the kill. The American referee Richard Steele had to come and stop the butchery. Nelson, at 37, does the unthinkable.

Worthy of note was that when Azumah Nelson fought Gabriel Ruelas for the second time, he had not a fight in 18 months.

Meanwhile in Ruelas defense, some people say that he was never the same after his second title defense against Jimmy Garcia. Garcia died from the injuries when Ruelas knocked him out. It was a brutal knockout.

Maybe it would be cool to start a separate thread for the great professor Azumah Nelson and then continue on with the list? At least if you actually intend to complete the list..

Patience, it's not even fall yet.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 20:53 Patience, it's not even fall yet.

I'm starting to get the same vibe I get with our boi Boxtune and Efe Ajagba, though admittedly not so homosexual lol

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 22:19 I'm starting to get the same vibe I get with our boi Boxtune and Efe Ajagba, though admittedly not so homosexual lol

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 22:19 I'm starting to get the same vibe I get with our boi Boxtune and Efe Ajagba, though admittedly not so homosexual lol

Don't sell Elmer short, he's pretty gay.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 22:43

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Aug 2020, 22:19 I'm starting to get the same vibe I get with our boi Boxtune and Efe Ajagba, though admittedly not so homosexual lol

Don't sell Elmer short, he's pretty gay.

On March 22, 1997 was the last day ever of the great Azumah Nelson as a world champion.
He defended his crown against veteran former champion Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez of East Los Angeles, CA.

Two years earlier, Hernandez was criticized for quitting in round 6 against upcoming superstar Oscar De LaHoya. Hernandez suffered a broken nose and abrutply quit.

He was the WBA World Jr Lightweight Champion for 4 years (1991-95) and defended the title 8 times without losing it to any of his challengers. Then, he vacated the crown to challenge De LaHoya's IBF World Lightweight title.

Hernandez boxed beautifully against The Professor, who had trouble finding him. Hernandez used lateral movement all over the ring, not giving Nelson an easy target to hit. He clearly won the first 5 rounds. Nelson started pressuring in the 6th, and won that round.

But, something controversial and odd happened at the end of the 7th round. At toe to toe exchange, Nelson hit Hernandez with a vicious left hook to the neck after the sound of the bell. And Chicanito went down.

Now, in pain, the referee took a point away from Nelson. Genaro was not sure either to continue or not. He was winning the fight and he could have won it by disqualification by Nelson if he just say the hell with it and not fight.

But, the De LaHoya loss was in his mind. What would they say now if he quits? That he cowardly won a title by not continuing because of a foul? Or that he does not have the heart of a champion to finish?

Hernandez decided to finish, like a real Latin macho man. He didn't want to be critcized again as a quitter, win or lose. He finished strong and in on his feet. He clearly won the fight. He won by split decision. I believe that it should have been unanimous. Because Nelson, showed his age. He was 38. Sometimes the fighter is the last to know that he does not have it anymore.

So... DelaHoya>Hernandez>Nelson.

Jaywheel wrote: ↑20 Aug 2020, 16:36 So... DelaHoya>Hernandez>Nelson.

No. He is not better than The Professor, Azumah Nelson! No way!

It was a redeeming win for Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez after the embarrassing loss when he quit against Oscar De LaHoya