Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Posted: 09 Aug 2008, 16:55





Frank, I remember in the 70's looking thru Ring Record Books and charting records of various boxers. I looked up the names of my favorite Mexican boxers, and thru that I would come across names such as Babe Vasquez. I'd looked up his record back then and wow, the names, the amount of fights, where he fought, who he fought, and when he fought. It was seeing Vasquez's record that stimulated my curiosity and interest in this fighter. I'd go to the gym and talk with those who knew of him, who had fought him, or had seen him fight. I recall George Parnassus was always a great source, when I was close to him thru Suey Welch and Mel Epstein. Again I must ask you to post the record of this Mexican boxing legend. Thanks Frank. And to Baby Vasquez, rest in peace.kikibalt wrote:The world of boxing laments the tragic death of former Lightweight contender and Mexican Champion Babe Vasquez who died on last Saturday in a car accident in Mexico.
Vasquez fought for over 24 years (1950-1974) and was in and out of the lightweight rankings in the 50s. Vasquez fought various world champions and beat boxers like Ralph Dupas, Paolo Rosi, Teddy Davis. His final tally was 102-40-4 (34 KOs). Boxing will miss these great warrior. may he rest in peace.
Our thoughts and prayers goes out to his family and friends.

Rick, Lebell as you know was /is quite a carachter.Rick Farris wrote:An other name on Dukes record, Jack Snapp, rung a bell in my mind. Mel Epstein, who trained Mike Nixon, Randy De La O and myself, used to promote Snapp in the late 40's up in the Pacific Northwest. Mel mentioned the name several times to me and told me the guy could fight a bit. Not a world beater, but a a guy who usually won. I know he beat and lost to Al Hostak, and that Mel had promoted his losing match to Milo Savage.kikibalt wrote:
Hey Pug, speaking of Milo Savage, you may be aware that Savage fought Gene LeBell in a boxer vs. wrestler type match. I have the details, but for now I'll just say that Gene chocked-out the middleweight contender with his "sleeper hold".
-Rick Farris
Rick; this thread need to have a "stick'um" on it.Rick Farris wrote:To the board moderators, Buzz, etc.
I'm just curious, more than 6500 posts have been logged in less than six months since this thread's inception. I know this is meaningless, but I have only been a part of this thread, and rarely stray into other threads of this forum. Have other threads grown to this size in such a length of time? I know this, we continue to grow here, and believe it or not, this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Classic West Coast Boxing information. Even if future posting is limited to the contributions of the current "regulars", NEW information of this thread from the past will surface, with rarely anything being rpeated, unless of course it pertains to the topic being discussed.
It's a nice place for us to get together and it wil be a long time before it dies out. It would literally take many years for us to exhaust all information of interest regarding this subject. I'm in the process of digging out a lot of memorabelia which I will forward to Frank for posting. Not just fan stuff, but documents from the inside, oictures, etc.
Thank you at Boxrec for supporting and encouraging this thread.
-Rick Farris
I saw this a while back. It's funny how the mind can play tricks on you. I first saw this fight like evreyone else, on May 8, 1982. Now back in the day, before youtube and camcorders and all the other high tech stuff that still befuddles me, unless you were lucky enough to get an 16mm film of the fight, you were sh*t out luck when it came to seeing a replay of a fight. All you had was your memory and a Ring magazine article.kikibalt wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF45ovmlr28
Arturo Frias vs Ray Mancini
Randy, I didn't know Art Frias because he came up a little after me, however, I have a funny story that Frankie Duarte told me concerning himself, Randy Shields and Frias, all were amateurs and in Boston for the 1973 Nat'l Golden Gloves Tournament. All three were on the Los Angeles team, and their head coach was Frank Baltazar. The story would be inappropriate for me to share here (and I know Frank would agree), so I'll wait until we all get together at the WBHOF event in november. Shields validated Duarte's story, and neither one of them are BS'ers. It's just a funny little tale of something that took place in the hotel after all three had been eliminated from the comp. That was a pretty strong L.A. team in '73, but only Roy Hollis took home a Nat'l title that year.Randyman wrote:I saw this a while back. It's funny how the mind can play tricks on you. I first saw this fight like evreyone else, on May 8, 1982. Now back in the day, before youtube and camcorders and all the other high tech stuff that still befuddles me, unless you were lucky enough to get an 16mm film of the fight, you were sh*t out luck when it came to seeing a replay of a fight. All you had was your memory and a Ring magazine article.kikibalt wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF45ovmlr28
Arturo Frias vs Ray Mancini
For some reason, all these years I had thought Frias got stiffed in this fight. Why? I really don't know, but he didn't, Mancini won that fight fair and square. I do know that youtube and other high tech cameras and video cams are the best thing to happen to boxing fans, well, except for the ring card girls but I digress, with youtube you can look up almost any of your favorite fighters and catch most if not all of their fights, at least in part. It all happened so fast we kind of take it for granted. I'm a big fan of youtube.
I always liked Art Frias. He would come by the Main Street gym for some sparring. This was one tough kid. nice as hell but tough as nails. He sparred just the way he fought. it was always intense. The thing is he didn't have much of a defense and he got hit a lot. He always looked like he just had a tough fight. Which, I suppose, he did. In the long run I think that hurt his career.
Expug wrote:Rick, Lebell as you know was /is quite a carachter.Rick Farris wrote:An other name on Dukes record, Jack Snapp, rung a bell in my mind. Mel Epstein, who trained Mike Nixon, Randy De La O and myself, used to promote Snapp in the late 40's up in the Pacific Northwest. Mel mentioned the name several times to me and told me the guy could fight a bit. Not a world beater, but a a guy who usually won. I know he beat and lost to Al Hostak, and that Mel had promoted his losing match to Milo Savage.kikibalt wrote:
Hey Pug, speaking of Milo Savage, you may be aware that Savage fought Gene LeBell in a boxer vs. wrestler type match. I have the details, but for now I'll just say that Gene chocked-out the middleweight contender with his "sleeper hold".
-Rick Farris
He was also a complete badass as a judoman and grappler.
He is the real deal in that arena.
Milo wore a gi top in against the two time National open division and heavyweight Judo Champ.
Thats Genes game. He gets a grip on anyone and its a problem.
A post-war record crowd of 60,000 watched Lee Savold beat Woodcock in their rematch at White City in London in June 1950.kikibalt wrote:
The ending of Mancini-Frias is just like the way Chacon stopped Frias a few years later: Art on the ropes, not holding, not really doing anything but getting caught. Art clearly wasn't used to being pushed back to the ropes. The California state Commission retired Frias after the Chacon war.Randyman wrote:I saw this a while back. It's funny how the mind can play tricks on you. I first saw this fight like evreyone else, on May 8, 1982. Now back in the day, before youtube and camcorders and all the other high tech stuff that still befuddles me, unless you were lucky enough to get an 16mm film of the fight, you were sh*t out luck when it came to seeing a replay of a fight. All you had was your memory and a Ring magazine article.kikibalt wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF45ovmlr28
Arturo Frias vs Ray Mancini
For some reason, all these years I had thought Frias got stiffed in this fight. Why? I really don't know, but he didn't, Mancini won that fight fair and square. I do know that youtube and other high tech cameras and video cams are the best thing to happen to boxing fans, well, except for the ring card girls but I digress, with youtube you can look up almost any of your favorite fighters and catch most if not all of their fights, at least in part. It all happened so fast we kind of take it for granted. I'm a big fan of youtube.
I always liked Art Frias. He would come by the Main Street gym for some sparring. This was one tough kid. nice as hell but tough as nails. He sparred just the way he fought. it was always intense. The thing is he didn't have much of a defense and he got hit a lot. He always looked like he just had a tough fight. Which, I suppose, he did. In the long run I think that hurt his career.
NICE, although Cuevas looks like Duran these days, the body language between Zarate and Zamora is not good, Sulaiman repeatedly tries to hog the limelight - and who is "Harocho" Lerma?kikibalt wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bH2ovs7Ws0
Roll Call of Mexican Boxing Legends
Wow, with a face like that the guy must have been able to fight! Oscar must be out slashing his wrists somewhere. Mirror, mirror on the wall...kikibalt wrote:Baby Vasquez
Birth Name Bernabe Vasquez
Country Mexico
Global Id 12531
Birthplace San Miguel
Division Lightweight
Born 1931-06-10
Died 2008-08-02
Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com
Date Opponent Location Result
1974-06-03 Juan Elizondo Ciudad Acuna, Mexico W KO 10
1970-03-23 Jesus Monsreal Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1969-09-30 Arnoldo Marquez Tijuana, Mexico W TKO 12
1969-07-09 Silverio Ortiz Merida, Mexico L PTS 10
1968-09-27 Joey Olguin Albuquerque, USA L PTS 10
1968-06-23 Leo Munoz La Paz, Mexico W PTS 10
1968-04-20 Filio de los Santos Chilpancingo, Mexico W PTS 10
1968-02-06 Silverio Ortiz Villahermosa, Mexico D PTS 10
1967-12-01 Cipriano Hernandez Hermosillo, Mexico W PTS 10
1967-07-15 Raul Garcia Fresnillo, Mexico W KO 4
1967-07-14 Raul Garcia Aguascalientes, Mexico W KO 6
1967-05-19 Leo Campbell Guayaquil, Ecuador L KO 2
1967-05-01 Johnny Ortiz Puebla, Mexico D PTS 10
1967-03-17 Jose Luis Vallejo Maracaibo, Venezuela L KO 2
1967-03-11 Chango Carmona Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1966-12-19 Jose Valenzuela Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1966-10-31 Al Grant Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1966-10-08 Chunique Velazquez La Paz, Mexico W KO 9
1966-09-01 Chucho Garcia Laredo, Mexico L PTS 10
1966-08-22 Chuy Pruneda Reynosa, Mexico L PTS 10
1966-07-16 Chucho Garcia Mexico L PTS 10
1966-06-15 Federico Burboa Ensenada, Mexico W PTS 10
1966-06-06 Federico Burboa Tijuana, Mexico W PTS 10
1966-04-01 Chucho Garcia Reynosa, Mexico L PTS 10
1965-11-06 Raul Soriano Chihuahua, Mexico L PTS 12
Mexican Lightweight Title
1965-04-24 Jose Gabino Laredo, Mexico W PTS 10
1964-12-26 Joey Olguin Sacramento, USA W KO 4
1964-10-31 Carlos Celis Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1964-07-04 Raul Rodriguez Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1964-05-06 Kid Guanajuato Penjamo, Mexico W KO 3
1964-04-10 Raul Rodriguez Tampico, Mexico W PTS 10
1964-03-14 Carlos Celis Guadalajara, Mexico L PTS 10
1963-08-24 Jorge Gutierrez Colima, Mexico L PTS 12
Mexican Lightweight Title
1963-08-04 Battling Kid Saltillo, Mexico W KO 9
1963-07-13 Jose Angel Napoles Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1963-03-30 Jose Angel Napoles Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1963-02-01 Adolfo Olguin Poza Rica, Mexico W PTS 10
1962-12-15 Sergio Gomez Morelia, Mexico W PTS 10
1962-11-10 Fidencio Ramirez Oaxaca, Mexico W KO 8
1962-10-15 Jorge Gutierrez Leon, Mexico W PTS 12
Mexican Lightweight Title
1962-09-03 Sugar Ramos Tijuana, Mexico L KO 10
1962-07-15 Sugar Ramos Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1962-06-09 Mar Castellanos Mazatlan, Mexico W PTS 10
1962-02-24 Alfredo Urbina Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 12
Mexican Lightweight Title
1962-02-02 Jimmy Fields Los Angeles, USA W PTS 10
1962-01-22 Luis Molina San Jose, USA L PTS 10
1961-10-22 Garland 'Rip' Randall Leon, Mexico W DQ 8
1961-09-11 Rolando Mendoza Tuxtla Gutierrez, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-09-04 Zorrito Ramirez Leon, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-08-05 Gildo Montoya Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-05-20 Beto Gerrardo Culiacan, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-05-06 Eddie Perkins Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1961-04-08 Kid Guanajuato Leon, Mexico W KO 3
1961-03-24 Hilario Espana Toluca, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-03-04 Carlos Rios Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1961-01-25 Tony Perez Ciudad Obregon, Mexico L PTS 10
1960-12-25 Cubanito Gonzalez Tonala, Mexico W KO 5
1960-11-05 Chucho Mejia Monclova, Mexico W KO 8
1960-10-23 Mar Castellanos Los Mochis, Mexico W PTS 10
1960-09-23 Arnulfo Melendez Ciudad Juarez, Mexico W KO 8
1960-08-28 Leo Agbulos Matamoros, Mexico W PTS 10
1960-07-02 Mauro Vazquez Mexico City, Mexico D PTS 10
1960-04-10 Chucho Mejia Torreon, Mexico W PTS 10
1960-03-19 Ernesto Figueroa Mexico City, Mexico W KO 5
1960-02-25 Angel Guerrero Puebla, Mexico W KO 8
1960-01-25 Carlos Hernandez Caracas, Venezuela L KO 3
1959-12-10 Paul Armstead Los Angeles, USA L MD 10
1959-11-21 Angel Guerrero Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1959-10-03 Angel Guerrero Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1959-07-25 Alfredo Urbina Mexico City, Mexico L KO 8
Mexican Lightweight Title
1959-06-13 Alfredo Urbina Mexico City, Mexico NC ND 12
1959-04-02 Mauro Vazquez Los Angeles, USA L UD 10
1959-02-19 Jimmy Hornsby Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1958-12-17 Eddie Perkins Washington, USA L TKO 7
1958-11-23 Al Nevarez Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1958-11-22 Willie Morton Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1958-09-13 Ezequiel Uribe Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 12
Mexican Lightweight Title
1958-08-02 Joe Shaw Guadalajara, Mexico W PTS 10
1958-05-27 Willie Morton San Jose, USA L PTS 10
1958-04-17 Paul Armstead Los Angeles, USA L UD 10
1958-02-10 Sergio Gomez Tapachula, Mexico W PTS 10
1958-01-26 Jose Galacia Leon, Mexico W KO 6
1957-09-12 Noel Humphreys Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1957-08-16 Paolo Rosi Louisville, USA L SD 10
1957-08-04 Joe Smyer Acapulco, Mexico W KO 7
1957-04-05 Leo Alonzo Stockton, USA W PTS 10
1957-01-26 El Conscripto Mexico City, Mexico W KO 1
1956-12-28 Paolo Rosi Miami, USA W TKO 7
1956-10-20 Teddy Davis Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1956-08-31 Jimmy Soo Washington, USA W TKO 6
1956-07-28 Augustin Rosales Monterrey, Mexico W KO 7
1956-07-07 Eduardo Almazan Aguascalientes, Mexico W KO 5
1956-06-07 Marcelino Pena Puebla, Mexico W KO 7
1956-04-08 Al Nevarez Chihuahua, Mexico L PTS 10
1956-03-22 Humberto Carrillo Gomez Palacio, Mexico W PTS 10
1956-03-02 Carmelo Costa New York City, USA L SD 10
1956-02-11 Baby Neff Ortiz Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1956-01-07 Bobby Gardenas Mexico City, Mexico W KO 1
1955-12-23 Frankie Ryff New York City, USA L UD 10
1955-11-21 Gilberto Muniz Ciudad Juarez, Mexico W PTS 10
1955-10-29 Santiago Gonzalez Monterrey, Mexico W KO 7
1955-07-12 George Collins San Antonio, USA W PTS 10
1955-06-28 Art Ramponi Richmond, USA W PTS 10
1955-06-18 Paulie Brooks Hollywood, USA W KO 6
1955-05-28 Enrique Esqueda Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 12
1955-03-13 Miguel Burciaga Mexicali, Mexico L KO 1
1954-12-04 Raul Esqueda Mexico City, Mexico W KO 9
Mexican Lightweight Title
1954-10-09 Sal Rivera Mexico City, Mexico W KO 9
1954-09-18 Miguel Burciaga Mexico City, Mexico W KO 9
1954-07-31 Armando Lopez Havana, Cuba D PTS 10
1954-07-04 Baby Neff Ortiz Mexicali, Mexico W PTS 10
1954-03-27 Baby Neff Ortiz Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1954-01-23 Chucho Ruiz Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1953-12-12 Rolando Rodriguez Havana, Cuba W KO 6
1953-11-21 Isaac Logart Havana, Cuba L PTS 10
1953-09-19 Matias Fenoy Havana, Cuba W PTS 10
1953-06-17 Black Bill Merida, Mexico W PTS 10
1953-05-09 Herman Gonzalez Mexico City, Mexico W KO 5
1953-04-07 Hy Meltzer Miami Beach, USA W PTS 10
1953-03-28 Candido Gonzalez Havana, Cuba W KO 5
1953-03-03 Ralph Dupas Miami Beach, USA L SD 10
1952-11-24 Ralph Dupas New Orleans, USA L UD 8
1952-11-08 Babe Ruelas Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1952-09-09 Don Bowman Miami Beach, USA W PTS 10
1952-08-26 Ralph Dupas Miami Beach, USA W PTS 10
1952-08-16 Diego Sosa Havana, Cuba W PTS 10
1952-08-03 Manuel Perdomo Havana, Cuba W PTS 10
1952-07-19 Manuel Perdomo Havana, Cuba W PTS 10
1952-05-14 Jose 'Baby' Gonzalez Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1952-03-26 Chi Chi Martinez Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1951-12-22 Beto Couray Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1951-09-19 Benny Luna Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1951-08-18 Pancho Velasco Mexico City, Mexico W KO 4
1951-07-27 Juan Padilla Tampico, Mexico L PTS 10
1951-06-13 Babe Ruelas Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1951-03-31 Ramon Tiscareno Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1951-02-24 Chinito Young Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1951-02-03 Baby Escalante Mexico City, Mexico W KO 1
1951-01-20 Jorge Macias Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1950-12-09 Beto Couray Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1950-11-11 Alfonso Ortiz Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1950-10-21 Juan Padilla Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1950-10-18 Lupe Diaz Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1950-06-17 Jorge Macias Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1950-05-06 Beto Carbajal Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
1950-05-01 Panchito Uribe Mexico City, Mexico L PTS 10
1950-04-19 Salvador Molina Mexico City, Mexico W PTS 10
Record to Date
Won 102 (KOs 34) Lost 40 Drawn 4 Total 147

You can tell Rick is in movies. A perfect shot.kikibalt wrote:
This is my oldest daughter, Kimberly, in the mid-80's with her dog "Trevor". Today she is 24, and teaches elementary school in Ventura County. Her younger sister, Kirsten, 22, is a life guard and recently graduated from San Diego Stae University.
-Rick Farris
