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Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 19:16**

kikibalt wrote:
Henry Hank with manager Jim Bowlin

Henry Hank came to my attention in the mid 60's while traing under Johnny Flores. One of my early teachers, Bob Bell, had been a stablemate of Hank in Detroit during the 50's. Heard lots of great stories about him from Bob, who also shared tricks he'd learned from him. Cagey fighter, for sure. '.

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 19:34**

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Henry Hank with manager Jim Bowlin
Henry Hank came to my attention in the mid 60's while traing under Johnny Flores. One of my early teachers, Bob Bell, had been a stablemate of Hank in Detroit during the 50's. Heard lots of great stories about him from Bob, who also shared tricks he'd learned from him. Cagey fighter, for sure. '.

Rick; I seen Hank in some great fights in the 1950's-60's on tv

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 20:55**

Kenny Lane (L)

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 21:06**

Tony Zale considered Henry Hank a great puncher,

but said Hank had no killer instinct.

It is amazing that Hank, who was a middleweight,

did as well as he did against top level lightheavyweights like Harold Johnson, Mauro Mina, and others.

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 21:25**

Is their much footage available of Henry Hank ?

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 21:45**

Robinson wrote:Is their much footage available of Henry Hank ?

I know somebody that has Hank vs Mauro Mia, Dick Tiger, Jimmy Ellis and Charlie "devil" Green

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 21:49**

I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:08**

Paddy Dolan wrote:I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?

James Toney trains at Freddie Roach's Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. He lives in Sherman oaks, Cal.

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:11**

kikibalt wrote:
Robinson wrote:Is their much footage available of Henry Hank ?
I know somebody that has Hank vs Mauro Mia, Dick Tiger, Jimmy Ellis and Charlie "devil" Green

Do you know of a way that some one could get a copy of these
bouts ?

Thanks again

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:14**

Rick Farris wrote:
Paddy Dolan wrote:I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?
Paddy Dolan wrote:I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?
James Toney trains at Freddie Roach's Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. He lives in Sherman oaks, Cal.

Thank you. I know Sherman Oaks is in the Valley. I thought he trained in Reseda. Is it a complete gym or a boxing gym?

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:19**

Robinson wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Robinson wrote:Is their much footage available of Henry Hank ?
I know somebody that has Hank vs Mauro Mia, Dick Tiger, Jimmy Ellis and Charlie "devil" Green
Do you know of a way that some one could get a copy of these
bouts ?

Thanks again

Check your PM.

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:27**

Robinson wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Robinson wrote:Is their much footage available of Henry Hank ?
I know somebody that has Hank vs Mauro Mia, Dick Tiger, Jimmy Ellis and Charlie "devil" Green
Do you know of a way that some one could get a copy of these
bouts ?

Thanks again

Robinson . . . I don't know of any footage available on Henry Hank, however, I noticed you are from Adalaide, Australia. An old friend of mine, a former middle distane track wstar and world record holder, Chris Fisher, lives in your town where he owns a sporting goods store. He and I met thru my friend Bob Seagren. Haven,t seen Chris in years, but seeing the name of your home town brought back this memory. Rick

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:28**

Paddy Dolan wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Paddy Dolan wrote:I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?
Paddy Dolan wrote:I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?
James Toney trains at Freddie Roach's Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. He lives in Sherman oaks, Cal.
Thank you. I know Sherman Oaks is in the Valley. I thought he trained in Reseda. Is it a complete gym or a boxing gym?

Boxing gym

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:34**

My girlfriend said the gym they used in Million Dollar Baby is in L A...I can't believe anybody trains there.

Posted: **11 Aug 2008, 22:49**

Paddy Dolan wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
Paddy Dolan wrote:I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?
Paddy Dolan wrote:I read somewhere that James Toney trains at a gym in Reseda. Do you guys know anything about it?
James Toney trains at Freddie Roach's Wild Card Gym in Hollywood. He lives in Sherman oaks, Cal.
Thank you. I know Sherman Oaks is in the Valley. I thought he trained in Reseda. Is it a complete gym or a boxing gym?

Paddy Dolan wrote:My girlfriend said the gym they used in Million Dollar Baby is in L A...I can't believe anybody trains there.

The gym in the movie is actually a warehouse located in the old garment district in L.A. on Palmetto St. It's also the warehouse used to shoot the boxing reality show, "The Contender". It's not a gym at all, just a warehouse that at the moment houses outdated industrial materials. That area, located just west of the Los Angeles river, and east of Alameda St. is now being called "The Arts District" of downtown. Just a bunch of old warehouses, condemned factories, turn of the century era bldgs (the last century, that is) that are suddenly very popular filming locations and high end loft residences. Seedy is now very trendy in L.A. It's not too far from where the old Teamsters Union Hall on Stanford St. still stands. The Teamsters bldg. was once a top L.A. boxing gym, and amateur fight arena. This where Frank Baltazar once trained with Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli, among others. It's also where I had my first of many jr. amateur bouts in the 60's. Today, it's just an office bldg. As far the Wild Card Gym is concerned, it's trainer Freddie Roach's place, and the busiest boxing gym in town. That's where James Toney & Manny Pac train, as well as many other world champs and contenders. It's also where Bernard Hopkins trained for his upset win over Antonio Tarver. For the record, Wild Card is located on Vine St. in Hollywood, a couple hundred yards north of Santa Monica Blvd, West side of the street, just above a strip mall. If you wanna see Wild Card, now you know where it is. As far as Reseda is concerned, there are a few so-called "boxing gyms" in the area, but none where real pros train. These are places where self proclaimed "boxing trainers" charge a lot of money to teach something they don't know themselves. Most are not capable of teaching a cat to crap in a box. I hope this has answered your questions, and don't listen to what girlfriends have to say about boxing, they are walking encyclopedias of misinformation. Just like "Granberry"

-Rick

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 01:19**

kikibalt wrote:
Gabe Terronez & Jose Stable

Although I was just a kid, I remember Terronez coming up out of Fresno. This would be one of Jose Stable's last fights. Stable, of Cuba, was a much better fighter than his record indicates, however, he fell way short of other Cuban welters such as Gavilan, Paret, Napoles, Luis Rodriguez, etc. By the time he fought Gabe Terronez, he was just collecting a paycheck.

-Rick Farris

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 01:29**

kikibalt wrote:
Jimmy Ellis with James J. Braddock

Jimmy Ellis will be at this years WBHOF banquet, as he is every year. Ali's former sparring partner, a blown-up light-heavy who won the WBA Heavyweight title. He is a very interesting man and has much to say about a very special era in heavyweight boxing.

-Rick Farris

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 03:22**

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Jimmy Ellis with James J. Braddock

Jimmy Ellis will be at this years WBHOF banquet, as he is every year. Ali's former sparring partner, a blown-up light-heavy who won the WBA Heavyweight title. He is a very interesting man and has much to say about a very special era in heavyweight boxing.

-Rick Farris

Jimmy was certainly an over-achiever, much like Braddock. You have to respect those guys.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 08:23**

Rick Farris wrote:Subject: Classic American West Coast Boxing

kikibalt wrote:
Adolf Pruitt, right, helps an aspiring boxer lace up his gloves.
The first time I saw Adolph Pruitt fight was on TV, in the mid 60's, from Las Vegas. His opponent was an up & coming welterweight named Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez, who at the time was managed by Frankie Muche. Pruitt schooled a game, but out-classed Lopez, who himself had been raising Hell in Las Vegas rings at the time. If memory serves me correct, the Wednesday night bout was held at the Hacienda Hotel (but I'm not sure). This was an incredible boxer, gifted, and tough. He fought all over the world, went into everybody's hometown and usually picked up a win. Years later, he'd also school another L.A. welter, Armando Muniz. Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather wouldn't know what to do if matched with a prime Adolph Pruitt.

-Rick Farris

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 09:15**

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Jimmy Ellis with James J. Braddock

Jimmy Ellis will be at this years WBHOF banquet, as he is every year. Ali's former sparring partner, a blown-up light-heavy who won the WBA Heavyweight title. He is a very interesting man and has much to say about a very special era in heavyweight boxing.

-Rick Farris

I hope Jimmy is ok...Wikipedia says he's suffering from pugist dementia but then I read he's still active in the Louisville boxing circuit...It's amazng that a man who lost a bout to Rubin Carter at 160 would go on to be heavyweight champion...

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 10:48**

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Jimmy Ellis with James J. Braddock

Jimmy Ellis will be at this years WBHOF banquet, as he is every year. Ali's former sparring partner, a blown-up light-heavy who won the WBA Heavyweight title. He is a very interesting man and has much to say about a very special era in heavyweight boxing.

-Rick Farris
I hope Jimmy is ok...Wikipedia says he's suffering from pugist dementia but then I read he's still active in the Louisville boxing circuit...It's amazng that a man who lost a bout to Rubin Carter at 160 would go on to be heavyweight champion...

He has a devoted wife, good days and bad. His memory is affected.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 10:55**

kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Subject: Classic American West Coast Boxing

kikibalt wrote:
Adolf Pruitt, right, helps an aspiring boxer lace up his gloves.
The first time I saw Adolph Pruitt fight was on TV, in the mid 60's, from Las Vegas. His opponent was an up & coming welterweight named Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez, who at the time was managed by Frankie Muche. Pruitt schooled a game, but out-classed Lopez, who himself had been raising Hell in Las Vegas rings at the time. If memory serves me correct, the Wednesday night bout was held at the Hacienda Hotel (but I'm not sure). This was an incredible boxer, gifted, and tough. He fought all over the world, went into everybody's hometown and usually picked up a win. Years later, he'd also school another L.A. welter, Armando Muniz. Pretty Boy Floyd Mayweather wouldn't know what to do if matched with a prime Adolph Pruitt.

-Rick Farris

Pruitt is before my time but a relative of his, Tony Pruitt, came over to England in 1981 and 'did' Keith Wallace, one of our most ferocious amateurs, with a body shot. He looked dynamite and I followed his later pro career but he lost a crossroads fight with Jimmy Navarro.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:19**

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Henry Hank with manager Jim Bowlin
Henry Hank came to my attention in the mid 60's while traing under Johnny Flores. One of my early teachers, Bob Bell, had been a stablemate of Hank in Detroit during the 50's. Heard lots of great stories about him from Bob, who also shared tricks he'd learned from him. Cagey fighter, for sure. '.

Rick,Frank
I don´t think this guy ever through a soft punch. Everytime he unloaded ,he´d make that grunting sound. Got your money´s worth with this guy.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:31**

I hope Jimmy is ok...Wikipedia says he's suffering from pugist dementia but then I read he's still active in the Louisville boxing circuit...It's amazng that a man who lost a bout to Rubin Carter at 160 would go on to be heavyweight champion...

-TheOneIsHere2008

He has a devoted wife, good days and bad. His memory is affected.

Bennie

Thanks for that...

I read that Ellis' wife, Mary, said sparring with him is what made Ali so good and she could see a little of the other in both of them...He was second favorite boxer in the 70's...

My mom is 90, and like anybody that age, she has a touch of dementia..In most old people, it's from the narrowing of the arteries that carries the blood to the brain... In boxers it's from getting hit in the head...But my uncle was a pro fighter and he lived to 88...He was lucid in his later years but we never talked that much...He had twenty pro fights but had to stop because of a detached retina which was unable to be surgically repaired...It's a tough sport...

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:42**

I missed the chance to chat with Jimmy in 1986 at the Honeyghan-Curry fight in AC. He was wearing shades (I know he is blind in one eye) and still had his distinctive afro and looked very much like he did as a fighter. He was with a group of friends, chatting and laughing away without offending anyone. I didn't want to interrupt him.
Shame, he seems a really nice guy.

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