Farr went 15 rounds with a prime Louis and in Wales they still say Tommy was robbed. The joke goes: "How can you be sure?"kikibalt wrote:
Tommy Farr
Torres is a great writer...IMHO, he's the best boxer/writer I have read and probably could have been a great full time writer if he was not a boxer...It just shows you can be smart without a lot of formal education but one should try to get as much formal education as they can get because natural genuises are few...bennie wrote:I lkike Torres because he was the first to cite Mike Tyson's attitude towards women. Jose was censored for it at the time, back in the 1980s, but history has borne him out.
Having seen the movie "Hurricane" I thought Rubin Carter was railroaded but then after seeing other sites on the net that point to his guilt I don't know...If he did it he fooled a lot of people....bennie wrote:Poor Norton always looks ill. As for Carter, he smuggled a gun into England when he came over to fight Liverpool's Harry Scott, who licked him (and also beat him in a rematch). When people say Carter was robbed of a chance to win the world middleweight title, it is quite amusing. Rubin was already over the hill when he was sent to jail.kikibalt wrote:
Ken Norton, Unknown, Jose Torres and Rubin "Hurricane" Carter
Rick Farris wrote:Frank . . . do you recall a oformer California lightweight champ, Paulie Armstead? I know he fought from the late 50's thru early 70's, and I used to see him traing at Jake Shagrue's Hoover St. Gym when I was a kid. He fought the best lightweights and jr. welters of his era, world wide, but rarely in L.A. which was his home town. I really thought he was a great fighter and regret not having a chance to see him fight in person.
Frankkikibalt wrote:8-year-old guitar wiz has reason to play the blues
By CARRIE ANTLFINGER, Associated Press Writer
ELKHORN, Wis. - When Tallan "T-Man" Latz was 5, he saw Joe Satriani playing guitar on TV. "I turned around to my dad and said, 'That's exactly what I want to do.'"
Three years and countless hours of practicing later, 8-year-old Tallan is a blues guitar prodigy. He's played in bars and clubs, including the House of Blues in Chicago, and even jammed with Les Paul and Jackson Browne. He has a summer of festivals scheduled and has drawn interest from venues worldwide.
And what, you might ask, would a kid not even in the third grade have the blues about? The state of Wisconsin for one, and some possibly jealous older musicians for another.
An anonymous e-mail sent to state officials complained that Tallan was too young to perform in taverns and nightclubs because of state child labor laws. His booking agent even got an anonymous letter threatening her with death if she keeps booking him.
When Tallan's father read him the state's letter saying he couldn't play clubs anymore (he can still play festivals), the boy's response — like his music — seemed beyond his years.
"He goes, 'It's not how many times you get knocked down but it's how many times you get back up and go forward,' Carl Latz said his son told him. "And I told him that's exactly what this is all about and if nothing else this letter just taught you a life lesson."
The lesson can be stiff: Each day he performs, the employer can be fined $25 to $1,000 and the parent from $10 to $250.
Jennifer Ortiz of the state Equal Rights Division said her agency has a responsibility to enforce the law once it becomes aware of a violation.
"Well, the law prohibits it, and the Legislature enacted the laws to protect the health, safety and welfare of all children."
Latz, who also is Tallan's manager, has asked a legislator for help changing the law but it's unclear whether any action will be taken.
Latz received the letter a few days before Tallan was to perform at Lil Downtown Lounge in suburban Milwaukee, where club co-owner Michelle Boche said the boy always packed the place when he sat in with other musicians.
Latz claims that two weeks before getting the letter he overheard local blues guitarist Jammin' Jimmy, whose real name is James Kemeny, say Tallan shouldn't be in a bar and he was going to turn him in.
Kemeny, who's been playing for 44 years, denied badmouthing Tallan.
"It seems totally unbelievable that somebody would even go to that extreme to send a letter to somebody, let alone looking to find something about child labor laws," Kemeny said.
Boche said she has received backlash from musicians and area bar owners because she supports Tallan. Some have tried to take patrons away, she said. Some even called in fake incidents to police, causing them to look for guns or underage drinkers, she said.
"If my doors close and I never open again and this boy becomes successful, then I will be the happiest person in the world," she said.
Tallan's agent, Sharon Pomaville, said she received a threatening letter June 2 warning her to stop booking the boy. She thinks he's a local musician and believes he's harmless. Deputies came to her house, but she didn't want to pursue the case.
Greg Koch, 42, an internationally known guitarist and clinician for Fender Musical Instruments, called the backlash despicable.
He said most 8-year-olds don't have the strength or attention span to pursue guitar or can't endure the calluses.
"It's strange that a kid at this age would glean onto this particular kind of music and show the intensity and kind of the ability to function as kind of 8-year-old blues guy," he said.
Brad Tolinski, editor-in-chief of Guitar World magazine, said kid guitar prodigies are rare, with one emerging perhaps every four or five years.
"It would be unusual to find an 8-year-old who can play Joe Satriani licks," he said.
Carl Latz said there's no explanation for Tallan's blues connection other than he seems to have an old soul.
"I've had more people tell me, they say 'It's a kid's body but it has a 70-year-old dude inside,'" Carl Latz said.
Tallan, whose heroes are Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, has 13 guitars and endorsements from at least nine companies to use their equipment. He can read music but plays mostly from memory.
He has two bands — one with veterans called T-Man's Blues Project and another with 16-and-younger bandmates called Tallan "The T-Man" Latz and the Young Guns. He also sings and plays drums, harmonica, bass and piano.
Tallan said he likes to play guitar to "put smiles on people's faces" when they are having a bad day.
"It sounds awesome," he said. "I think it's so much you can do on the guitar."
He knows 30 to 40 songs and someday hopes to write his own. It was his idea to start playing in public.
"He drags me around," his dad said. "I don't drag him around."
Tallan said the problems he's faced have doing nothing to dampen his ambition to be a blues rock star when he grows up. Just the opposite, in fact.
"Because I got more inspiration, I got more sadness in me," Tallan said. "I'm just feelin' it."
Tallan 'T-Man' Latz performs Monday, June 30, 2008, at Summerfest in Milwaukee. A blues guitar prodigy, the 8-year-old has played in bars and clubs, including the House of Blues in Chicago, and even jammed with Les Paul and Jackson Browne. However, the state of Wisconsin says that Tallan cannot play in taverns and nightclubs because of state child labor laws.
(AP Photo/Morry Gash)
Bennie,as you probably know,Kenny was in a serious car accident. He never came around the same after that. I saw him about ten years ago at a football game. It looked like he was in a daze all by himself. I walked up to him to say¨hi¨. He turned smiled a little,and stared off in space again.bennie wrote:Poor Norton always looks ill. As for Carter, he smuggled a gun into England when he came over to fight Liverpool's Harry Scott, who licked him (and also beat him in a rematch). When people say Carter was robbed of a chance to win the world middleweight title, it is quite amusing. Rubin was already over the hill when he was sent to jail.kikibalt wrote:
Ken Norton, Unknown, Jose Torres and Rubin "Hurricane" Carter
No Bennie. He was driving late at night and fell asleep at the wheel and hit a telephone pole. He was sober,just fell asleep. He had a stigma for a while where everyone was thinking he was on dope because of his slurred speech. Kenny always abstained from what I know.bennie wrote:Am I right in thinking he went over a cliff, Dagos?
diego,dagosd2000 wrote:Frankkikibalt wrote:8-year-old guitar wiz has reason to play the blues
By CARRIE ANTLFINGER, Associated Press Writer
ELKHORN, Wis. - When Tallan "T-Man" Latz was 5, he saw Joe Satriani playing guitar on TV. "I turned around to my dad and said, 'That's exactly what I want to do.'"
Three years and countless hours of practicing later, 8-year-old Tallan is a blues guitar prodigy. He's played in bars and clubs, including the House of Blues in Chicago, and even jammed with Les Paul and Jackson Browne. He has a summer of festivals scheduled and has drawn interest from venues worldwide.
And what, you might ask, would a kid not even in the third grade have the blues about? The state of Wisconsin for one, and some possibly jealous older musicians for another.
An anonymous e-mail sent to state officials complained that Tallan was too young to perform in taverns and nightclubs because of state child labor laws. His booking agent even got an anonymous letter threatening her with death if she keeps booking him.
When Tallan's father read him the state's letter saying he couldn't play clubs anymore (he can still play festivals), the boy's response — like his music — seemed beyond his years.
"He goes, 'It's not how many times you get knocked down but it's how many times you get back up and go forward,' Carl Latz said his son told him. "And I told him that's exactly what this is all about and if nothing else this letter just taught you a life lesson."
The lesson can be stiff: Each day he performs, the employer can be fined $25 to $1,000 and the parent from $10 to $250.
Jennifer Ortiz of the state Equal Rights Division said her agency has a responsibility to enforce the law once it becomes aware of a violation.
"Well, the law prohibits it, and the Legislature enacted the laws to protect the health, safety and welfare of all children."
Latz, who also is Tallan's manager, has asked a legislator for help changing the law but it's unclear whether any action will be taken.
Latz received the letter a few days before Tallan was to perform at Lil Downtown Lounge in suburban Milwaukee, where club co-owner Michelle Boche said the boy always packed the place when he sat in with other musicians.
Latz claims that two weeks before getting the letter he overheard local blues guitarist Jammin' Jimmy, whose real name is James Kemeny, say Tallan shouldn't be in a bar and he was going to turn him in.
Kemeny, who's been playing for 44 years, denied badmouthing Tallan.
"It seems totally unbelievable that somebody would even go to that extreme to send a letter to somebody, let alone looking to find something about child labor laws," Kemeny said.
Boche said she has received backlash from musicians and area bar owners because she supports Tallan. Some have tried to take patrons away, she said. Some even called in fake incidents to police, causing them to look for guns or underage drinkers, she said.
"If my doors close and I never open again and this boy becomes successful, then I will be the happiest person in the world," she said.
Tallan's agent, Sharon Pomaville, said she received a threatening letter June 2 warning her to stop booking the boy. She thinks he's a local musician and believes he's harmless. Deputies came to her house, but she didn't want to pursue the case.
Greg Koch, 42, an internationally known guitarist and clinician for Fender Musical Instruments, called the backlash despicable.
He said most 8-year-olds don't have the strength or attention span to pursue guitar or can't endure the calluses.
"It's strange that a kid at this age would glean onto this particular kind of music and show the intensity and kind of the ability to function as kind of 8-year-old blues guy," he said.
Brad Tolinski, editor-in-chief of Guitar World magazine, said kid guitar prodigies are rare, with one emerging perhaps every four or five years.
"It would be unusual to find an 8-year-old who can play Joe Satriani licks," he said.
Carl Latz said there's no explanation for Tallan's blues connection other than he seems to have an old soul.
"I've had more people tell me, they say 'It's a kid's body but it has a 70-year-old dude inside,'" Carl Latz said.
Tallan, whose heroes are Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, has 13 guitars and endorsements from at least nine companies to use their equipment. He can read music but plays mostly from memory.
He has two bands — one with veterans called T-Man's Blues Project and another with 16-and-younger bandmates called Tallan "The T-Man" Latz and the Young Guns. He also sings and plays drums, harmonica, bass and piano.
Tallan said he likes to play guitar to "put smiles on people's faces" when they are having a bad day.
"It sounds awesome," he said. "I think it's so much you can do on the guitar."
He knows 30 to 40 songs and someday hopes to write his own. It was his idea to start playing in public.
"He drags me around," his dad said. "I don't drag him around."
Tallan said the problems he's faced have doing nothing to dampen his ambition to be a blues rock star when he grows up. Just the opposite, in fact.
"Because I got more inspiration, I got more sadness in me," Tallan said. "I'm just feelin' it."
Tallan 'T-Man' Latz performs Monday, June 30, 2008, at Summerfest in Milwaukee. A blues guitar prodigy, the 8-year-old has played in bars and clubs, including the House of Blues in Chicago, and even jammed with Les Paul and Jackson Browne. However, the state of Wisconsin says that Tallan cannot play in taverns and nightclubs because of state child labor laws.
(AP Photo/Morry Gash)
I´m so glad you put this up. I was going to email you the info on this kid. There´s a YouTube of him playing with Buddy Guy. AMAZING.
dagosd2000 wrote:We were all sitting in the living room. In the ¨sala¨(the Mexican living room),the husband of my niece tapped the floor with his knuckles.
Ël senor esta aqui.¨
Jesus,Luis´s wife, had her husband´s foot buried under the floor. In the evening when her kids weren´t with her. She could be with her husband without walking to the cemetary. Her children were all married and Jesus was very lonely. Everyday she´d visit one of her children. They all lived close by.
I remember her husband Luis. He sold vegetables in the Mercado Municipal in the morning. Together,Jesus and Luis,would cut and clean the vegetables and then take them down to the Mercado.
I also remembered when he died. Another that drank too much. Alcohol de Cana. The worst. Funny though,I never saw him drunk or even drinking. He never even offered me a drink. Maybe he drank alone.
Now Jesus is alone ,in the sala, with her husband´s foot under the floor.
No,you´re right. It was T Bone playing Sweet Home Chicago with this little sensation.kikibalt wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBpOX6dI1x0dagosd2000 wrote:Frankkikibalt wrote:8-year-old guitar wiz has reason to play the blues
By CARRIE ANTLFINGER, Associated Press Writer
ELKHORN, Wis. - When Tallan "T-Man" Latz was 5, he saw Joe Satriani playing guitar on TV. "I turned around to my dad and said, 'That's exactly what I want to do.'"
Three years and countless hours of practicing later, 8-year-old Tallan is a blues guitar prodigy. He's played in bars and clubs, including the House of Blues in Chicago, and even jammed with Les Paul and Jackson Browne. He has a summer of festivals scheduled and has drawn interest from venues worldwide.
And what, you might ask, would a kid not even in the third grade have the blues about? The state of Wisconsin for one, and some possibly jealous older musicians for another.
An anonymous e-mail sent to state officials complained that Tallan was too young to perform in taverns and nightclubs because of state child labor laws. His booking agent even got an anonymous letter threatening her with death if she keeps booking him.
When Tallan's father read him the state's letter saying he couldn't play clubs anymore (he can still play festivals), the boy's response — like his music — seemed beyond his years.
"He goes, 'It's not how many times you get knocked down but it's how many times you get back up and go forward,' Carl Latz said his son told him. "And I told him that's exactly what this is all about and if nothing else this letter just taught you a life lesson."
The lesson can be stiff: Each day he performs, the employer can be fined $25 to $1,000 and the parent from $10 to $250.
Jennifer Ortiz of the state Equal Rights Division said her agency has a responsibility to enforce the law once it becomes aware of a violation.
"Well, the law prohibits it, and the Legislature enacted the laws to protect the health, safety and welfare of all children."
Latz, who also is Tallan's manager, has asked a legislator for help changing the law but it's unclear whether any action will be taken.
Latz received the letter a few days before Tallan was to perform at Lil Downtown Lounge in suburban Milwaukee, where club co-owner Michelle Boche said the boy always packed the place when he sat in with other musicians.
Latz claims that two weeks before getting the letter he overheard local blues guitarist Jammin' Jimmy, whose real name is James Kemeny, say Tallan shouldn't be in a bar and he was going to turn him in.
Kemeny, who's been playing for 44 years, denied badmouthing Tallan.
"It seems totally unbelievable that somebody would even go to that extreme to send a letter to somebody, let alone looking to find something about child labor laws," Kemeny said.
Boche said she has received backlash from musicians and area bar owners because she supports Tallan. Some have tried to take patrons away, she said. Some even called in fake incidents to police, causing them to look for guns or underage drinkers, she said.
"If my doors close and I never open again and this boy becomes successful, then I will be the happiest person in the world," she said.
Tallan's agent, Sharon Pomaville, said she received a threatening letter June 2 warning her to stop booking the boy. She thinks he's a local musician and believes he's harmless. Deputies came to her house, but she didn't want to pursue the case.
Greg Koch, 42, an internationally known guitarist and clinician for Fender Musical Instruments, called the backlash despicable.
He said most 8-year-olds don't have the strength or attention span to pursue guitar or can't endure the calluses.
"It's strange that a kid at this age would glean onto this particular kind of music and show the intensity and kind of the ability to function as kind of 8-year-old blues guy," he said.
Brad Tolinski, editor-in-chief of Guitar World magazine, said kid guitar prodigies are rare, with one emerging perhaps every four or five years.
"It would be unusual to find an 8-year-old who can play Joe Satriani licks," he said.
Carl Latz said there's no explanation for Tallan's blues connection other than he seems to have an old soul.
"I've had more people tell me, they say 'It's a kid's body but it has a 70-year-old dude inside,'" Carl Latz said.
Tallan, whose heroes are Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, has 13 guitars and endorsements from at least nine companies to use their equipment. He can read music but plays mostly from memory.
He has two bands — one with veterans called T-Man's Blues Project and another with 16-and-younger bandmates called Tallan "The T-Man" Latz and the Young Guns. He also sings and plays drums, harmonica, bass and piano.
Tallan said he likes to play guitar to "put smiles on people's faces" when they are having a bad day.
"It sounds awesome," he said. "I think it's so much you can do on the guitar."
He knows 30 to 40 songs and someday hopes to write his own. It was his idea to start playing in public.
"He drags me around," his dad said. "I don't drag him around."
Tallan said the problems he's faced have doing nothing to dampen his ambition to be a blues rock star when he grows up. Just the opposite, in fact.
"Because I got more inspiration, I got more sadness in me," Tallan said. "I'm just feelin' it."
Tallan 'T-Man' Latz performs Monday, June 30, 2008, at Summerfest in Milwaukee. A blues guitar prodigy, the 8-year-old has played in bars and clubs, including the House of Blues in Chicago, and even jammed with Les Paul and Jackson Browne. However, the state of Wisconsin says that Tallan cannot play in taverns and nightclubs because of state child labor laws.
(AP Photo/Morry Gash)
I´m so glad you put this up. I was going to email you the info on this kid. There´s a YouTube of him playing with Buddy Guy. AMAZING.
T-Man Latz playing "Sweet Home Chicago"
WOW! I was one-year-old at the time. Thanks for this great way to answer my question. He came out of the same tournament that we did. By the way, at the top of the same page, Buddy Evatt is featured in a four rounder at the Olympic. Buddy Evatt was not only Jackie McCoy's fighter, but also Jackie's best friend. I heard this from both Hap Navarro and Mando Ramos. Thank you!kikibalt wrote:Rick Farris wrote:Frank . . . do you recall a oformer California lightweight champ, Paulie Armstead? I know he fought from the late 50's thru early 70's, and I used to see him traing at Jake Shagrue's Hoover St. Gym when I was a kid. He fought the best lightweights and jr. welters of his era, world wide, but rarely in L.A. which was his home town. I really thought he was a great fighter and regret not having a chance to see him fight in person.
Rick, here is Paulie Armstead fighting in the 1953 Jr. GG tourney.
dagosd2000 wrote:Rick Farris wrote:Frank . . . do you recall a oformer California lightweight champ, Paulie Armstead? I know he fought from the late 50's thru early 70's, and I used to see him traing at Jake Shagrue's Hoover St. Gym when I was a kid. He fought the best lightweights and jr. welters of his era, world wide, but rarely in L.A. which was his home town. I really thought he was a great fighter and regret not having a chance to see him fight in person.
Rick
Excuse me for stepping in front of Frank on this one,but I saw Paulie fight several times at the Coliseum in San Diego. It was the first time I saw the beauty in the Sweet Science. Jabbing,moving the head,countering. I remember watching Paulie and became completely absorbed with his variety of ¨his skills in the ring. Look up ¨Boxing¨in the Dictionary. It doesn´t always be Sugar Ray or The Wil´´O The Wisp to use an example. You might find a picture of Paulie Armstead besides the definition.
Rick Farris wrote:WOW! I was one-year-old at the time. Thanks for this great way to answer my question. He came out of the same tournament that we did. By the way, at the top of the same page, Buddy Evatt is featured in a four rounder at the Olympic. Buddy Evatt was not only Jackie McCoy's fighter, but also Jackie's best friend. I heard this from both Hap Navarro and Mando Ramos. Thank you!kikibalt wrote:Rick Farris wrote:Frank . . . do you recall a oformer California lightweight champ, Paulie Armstead? I know he fought from the late 50's thru early 70's, and I used to see him traing at Jake Shagrue's Hoover St. Gym when I was a kid. He fought the best lightweights and jr. welters of his era, world wide, but rarely in L.A. which was his home town. I really thought he was a great fighter and regret not having a chance to see him fight in person.
Rick, here is Paulie Armstead fighting in the 1953 Jr. GG tourney.
-Rick
What do you mean, when you say "Boxer" is that any fighter or pure "Boxer"?TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Who is the best boxer to come from the state of California beside young Mr. Balatzar...
I have my favorites but would like to hear from you gentlemen first...
I think I know what you mean but could you please elaborate?kikibalt wrote:What do you mean, when you say "Boxer" is that any fighter or pure "Boxer"?TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Who is the best boxer to come from the state of California beside young Mr. Balatzar...
I have my favorites but would like to hear from you gentlemen first...
You're so right, Bennie. Carter was in no way in contention for the title. In summer of '65, I saw Carter fight Luis Rodriguez at the Olympic and the Cuban eaily outboxed him, winning a one sided ten round decision. Carter was always a guy who would always ''give up'' and coast to a loss when being out boxed. Bob Dylan and his sond did nothing but garner sympathy for a career criminal who should still be locked up. Carter could certainly bang, but he wasn,t robbed in the Giardello fight, as the film suggests. Joey was out boxing him so he gave up and stopped trying. Believe me when I say I'm familiar with Hollywood BS, and thats what the movie ''Hurricane'' was. Rickbennie wrote:Poor Norton always looks ill. As for Carter, he smuggled a gun into England when he came over to fight Liverpool's Harry Scott, who licked him (and also beat him in a rematch). When people say Carter was robbed of a chance to win the world middleweight title, it is quite amusing. Rubin was already over the hill when he was sent to jail.kikibalt wrote:
Ken Norton, Unknown, Jose Torres and Rubin "Hurricane" Carter
I remember Norm very well and saw the ad.kikibalt wrote:Rick
The ad on the right is from Norm Lockwood's gas station, Norm, was the glove man at the Olympic.
Well, if you think that DLH, is the best to come out of Calif, then your Calif. boxing knowledge is limited.TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:I think I know what you mean but could you please elaborate?kikibalt wrote:What do you mean, when you say "Boxer" is that any fighter or pure "Boxer"?TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:Who is the best boxer to come from the state of California beside young Mr. Balatzar...
I have my favorites but would like to hear from you gentlemen first...
My favorite is The Golden Boy based on my limited knowledge...
