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In fact if you read over this very educational thread you'll find that "the golden boy" moniker has been used by others. Because of that you may need to be more specific.....some think the gentleman who owned that moniker in the past might be deserving of just as much if not more respect than the current person "leasing" the name.

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Please let me know where I went wrong...

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kiki would you grant that no one has been as successful as DLH as marketing and making good use of their talent in terms of gaining notoriety and/or turning those skills into revenue? I mean no disrespect to DLH or any other fighter when I say this. I think DLH is truly one of the greats......but one of his great talents has been marketing his great skills and talents as well. Not everyone who has the talent for fighting was also blessed with that "P.T. Barnum factor that Oscar obviously has.

BoxBuzz wrote:kiki would you grant that no one has been as successful as DLH as marketing and making good use of their talent in terms of gaining notoriety and/or turning those skills into revenue? I mean no disrespect to DLH or any other fighter when I say this. I think DLH is truly one of the greats......but one of his great talents has been marketing his great skills and talents as well. Not everyone who has the talent for fighting was also blessed with that "P.T. Barnum factor that Oscar obviously has.

BB,

I grant you that DLH has been the best market fighter, but that doesn't make the best fighter,
had he been fighting in the day when there were 8 champions, I don't think that anybody would say that he would have won as many titles as he has, title imo don't mean dick anymore.

He's also the first Latino to own his own promotion company and rival the Kings, DiBellas, and Arums of the boxing world... He's going to leave boxing on top, win or lose...


He's also the last American boxer to win Olympic Gold...That's very important to me because I remember when we used to own that sport...


I was looking at the whole picture...

But I'm sure there were better boxers if you use a strict definition...

Oh, Art Aragon wasn't born in Cali...


Frank-Thanx for the book reccomendation.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:He's also the first Latino to own his own promotion company and rival the Kings, DiBellas, and Arums of the boxing world... He's going to leave boxig on top, win or lose...


He's also the last American boxer to win Olympic Gold...


I was looking at the whole picture...

But I'm sure there were better boxers if you use a strict definition...

Oh, Art Aragon wasn't born in Cali...


Frank-Thanx for the book reccomendation.

DLH, was not the first latino to own his promotion Co.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Rick

The ad on the right is from Norm Lockwood's gas station, Norm, was the glove man at the Olympic.

I remember Norm very well and saw the ad.

I saw that ad and I remember Norm as well. Norm built that sit-up table that was located in the locker room. There must have been a million sit-ups done on that table. It was so worn it had an ass shape groove on it. It was a ugly thing but it held up well. In some of the photos of the gym floating around you can see that table when it was set up near the heavy bags. Whatever became of Norm? I'm sure he's gone by now. He was also a dog breeder, Airedales, I believe, or am I confusing him with someone else?

Randyman wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Rick

The ad on the right is from Norm Lockwood's gas station, Norm, was the glove man at the Olympic.

I remember Norm very well and saw the ad.

I saw that ad and I remember Norm as well. Norm built that sit-up table that was located in the locker room. There must have been a million sit-ups done on that table. It was so worn it had an ass shape groove on it. It was a ugly thing but it held up well. In some of the photos of the gym floating around you can see that table when it was set up near the heavy bags. Whatever became of Norm? I'm sure he's gone by now. He was also a dog breeder, Airedales, I believe, or am I confusing him with someone else?

Randy,

I knew Norm for years, never knew that he was a dog breeder, not saying that he wasn't, only that I never knew that. he died some years ago at age 95-96, he worked the corner in some of Frankie's and Tony's fights, hell of a nice guy.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:He's also the first Latino to own his own promotion company and rival the Kings, DiBellas, and Arums of the boxing world...

Then nominate him greatest Latino promoter out of California.

In my opinion, the best all-around California born and breed fighter was Manuel Ortiz, wo hailed from Corona if I recall right.

(But I will yield to Frank on that one - or at least be very open to having my mind changed since he's seen most of them over the past 50 years.)

BTW, Frank, it took me about 30 minutes to post this from my iPhone. I miss my laptop, man!

kikibalt wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:I'm learning


:(

Please let me know where I went wrong...

Buy this book



Pastime Memorabilia, Publisher
P.O. Box 808
Salem, Virginia 24153

$30.00

This book is next on my list. It was a long time coming. Kudos to Chuck Johnston and Tracy Callis. I love that cover. Los Angeles has always been a very special fight town, very loyal to it's fighters. California in general has produced some great fighters.

raylawpc wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:He's also the first Latino to own his own promotion company and rival the Kings, DiBellas, and Arums of the boxing world...

Then nominate him greatest Latino promoter out of California.

In my opinion, the best all-around California born and breed fighter was Manuel Ortiz, wo hailed from Corona if I recall right.

(But I will yield to Frank on that one - or at least be very open to having my mind changed since he's seen most of them over the past 50 years.)

BTW, Frank, it took me about 30 minutes to post this from my iPhone. I miss my laptop, man!

Tom,

At lease you were able to log in.

Btw, I do agree with you on Ortiz been the greatest Calif. born fighter.

Randy,

I knew Norm for years, never knew that he was a dog breeder, not saying that he wasn't, only that I never knew that. he died some years ago at age 95-96, he worked the corner in some of Frankie's and Tony's fights, hell of a nice guy.

I'm not 100% sure on that Frank, but for some reason it comes to mind. I could be confusing him with someone else. It's been a few years.

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:He's also the first Latino to own his own promotion company and rival the Kings, DiBellas, and Arums of the boxing world... He's going to leave boxing on top, win or lose...


He's also the last American boxer to win Olympic Gold...That's very important to me because I remember when we used to own that sport...


I was looking at the whole picture...

But I'm sure there were better boxers if you use a strict definition...

Oh, Art Aragon wasn't born in Cali...


Frank-Thanx for the book reccomendation.

Rogelio Robles was promoting before anybody heard of DLH (Azteca Promotion) at the Olympic and Las Vegas.

John H. Stracey

John H. Stracey vs Carlos Palomino

Randy, Norm Lockwood wasn't dog breeder, that was Karl Nelson, father of my girlfriend and her sister, Kam Nelson. As you know, our trainer Mel Epstein became friends with Karl and perhaps that is where the mix up is. Karl was also close with Ruben Navarro and Fitzie Fitzpatrick.

Rick Farris wrote:Randy, Norm Lockwood wasn't dog breeder, that was Karl Nelson, father of my girlfriend and her sister, Kam Nelson. As you know, our trainer Mel Epstein became friends with Karl and perhaps that is where the mix up is. Karl was also close with Ruben Navarro and Fitzie Fitzpatrick.

By the way, Karl Nelson was the top Airedale breeder in the country and both Ruben Navarro and George Foreman got airedales from Karl. Rick

kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:He's also the first Latino to own his own promotion company and rival the Kings, DiBellas, and Arums of the boxing world...

Then nominate him greatest Latino promoter out of California.

In my opinion, the best all-around California born and breed fighter was Manuel Ortiz, wo hailed from Corona if I recall right.

(But I will yield to Frank on that one - or at least be very open to having my mind changed since he's seen most of them over the past 50 years.)

BTW, Frank, it took me about 30 minutes to post this from my iPhone. I miss my laptop, man!

Tom,

At lease you were able to log in.

Btw, I do agree with you on Ortiz been the greatest Calif. born fighter.

Im also posting from work on my I-phone. I agree that Manuel Ortiz is the best Cali born fighter ever, as well the greatest bantam ever with Olivares and Jofre right in the mix. My opinion, of course. Rick

Rick Farris wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Randy, Norm Lockwood wasn't dog breeder, that was Karl Nelson, father of my girlfriend and her sister, Kam Nelson. As you know, our trainer Mel Epstein became friends with Karl and perhaps that is where the mix up is. Karl was also close with Ruben Navarro and Fitzie Fitzpatrick.

By the way, Karl Nelson was the top Airedale breeder in the country and both Ruben Navarro and George Foreman got airedales from Karl. Rick

Thanks Rick, I do remember that Karl Nelson bred Airedales. Mel spoke about him often. For some reason, probably because I'm getting senile, I got them confused. By the way, I don't own an Airedale but the are incredible dogs, fight like hell, and they are among the smartest breed of dogs, but I'm sure you already know that. Thanks for clearing that up for me, and sorry about the confusion Frank.
Randy

Steve Beljan on the bottom of the page, who was inducted into
the CBHOF this past June has died, thats two of the 2008 inductees
that have died, the other one been Mando Ramos

kikibalt wrote:
Steve Beljan on the bottom of the page, who was inducted into
the CBHOF this past June has died, thats two of the 2008 inductees
that have died, the other one been Mando Ramos

I'm sorry to hear about that Frank, my condolences to his family and friends.

Thanks Randy, I'm sure his family and friend appreciate that.

Randyman wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Randy, Norm Lockwood wasn't dog breeder, that was Karl Nelson, father of my girlfriend and her sister, Kam Nelson. As you know, our trainer Mel Epstein became friends with Karl and perhaps that is where the mix up is. Karl was also close with Ruben Navarro and Fitzie Fitzpatrick.

By the way, Karl Nelson was the top Airedale breeder in the country and both Ruben Navarro and George Foreman got airedales from Karl. Rick

Thanks Rick, I do remember that Karl Nelson bred Airedales. Mel spoke about him often. For some reason, probably because I'm getting senile, I got them confused. By the way, I don't own an Airedale but the are incredible dogs, fight like hell, and they are among the smartest breed of dogs, but I'm sure you already know that. Thanks for clearing that up for me, and sorry about the confusion Frank.
Randy

Yeah Randy, Airedales are fighting dogs and have what is known as a ''punishing jaw'' second only to an American pit bull terrior in bite strength. The airedale comes out of England and Karl Nelson became the only American breeder in history invited to the UK to judge this breed in Brits most prestigeous dog show, ''Crufts'' (spelling?). Naturally, I've had several airedales over the years and you are right, great dogs. With my family blood Irish, English and American indian, I'm partial to this dead game breed. BTW, you've an exceptional memory! Rick

Frank . . . Paulie Armstead passed away less than two years ago in Las Vegas and was cremated in Inglewood Cemetary. Out of respect for this former California champ would you please post his record. The names he fought are like a ''who's who'' of a special era. Rick

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He's also the last American boxer to win Olympic Gold...That's very important to me because I remember when we used to own that sport...


Last American boxer to win Olympic Gold? How about four years ago when Andre Ward won gold? He is from Oakland, CA, America
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