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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 08:16
by Rick Farris
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Thad Spencer

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How good was Thad Spencer?
He and Leotis Martin took part in a fight in London that is generally regarded as the greatest heavyweight fight this country has ever seen. Sadly, it was non-televised and Thad, before my time.
Bennie . . . Thad Spencer was a small heavyweight, but he had a lot of talent. He was far from the best of his era, but a guy who got to a point where he was favored to win an eight man elimination tournament to find a successor to Ali, who had been stripped of his heavyweight title in 1968, for refusal to enter the Army after being drafted. When Ali was officially out of the picture, New York recognized Joe Frazier as champ after defeating Buster Mathis in a so-called "title fight". However, the WBA staged an eight man elimination tourney and Spencer beat Ernie Terrell in his quarter final match. He was next matched with my stablemate, Jerry Quarry, who had won a very close decision over Floyd Patterson. Spencer was listed as a clear favorite to beat Quarry, and made the mistake of taking Jerry lightly. I recall that our manager, Johnny Flores, came into his backyard gym one night prior to the match, and said that he had gotten word that Spencer was was not training properly, and doing a lot of "partying". Jerry on the other hand, was working himself into the best shape of his career. Another factor was Jerry Quarry's psych. You see, Jerry for some reason, was most dangerous in bouts he was expected to lose. Sure enough, Jerry had his way with Thad Spencer in Oakland, KOing Spencer, putting himself in the final match with Jimmy Ellis. Sadly, Jerry was a solid favorite to defeat Jimmy Ellis and, perhaps, this was the kiss of death for Quarry. Jerry fought like a dog and dropped a decision in a fight he should have won. Jerry would have never beaten Ali or Frazier (losing to both twice), however, Jimmy Ellis was made to order for Jerry, and this was Jerry's best chance to win that elusive heavyweight title.

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 08:31
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Arbachakov wrote:Stracey was never smug Dagos, he was an honest and always respectful pro, that made the most of the very limited talent he had.

It would be harsh to hold some stupid photoshoot that was most likely not his idea against him.
I agree that it was not likely his idea, most likely some pr guy.
You know, all I can think is this: John Stracey whipped Mantequilla Napoles. I doubt he'd have done so if Napoles was a little younger and not so shop worn, however, he did something that few in history can claim. Jose Napoles is one of the greatest fighters I ever saw. By the way, when Napoles (a blown up lightweight) fianlly got a title shot at age 29, with eleven pro years under his belt, he dominated the welter division for as long as his legs would allow. He stepped up and fought a big dominate middleweight in Carlos Monzon for the 160lb.title far past his prime. I'm kinda glad that the guy who finally seperated him from the welterweight title was a Brit. God save the Queen, and cheers to John Stracey! (And just for the record, I'm glad the guy who whipped Stracey for the title was an L.A. Mexican. Viva Carlos Palomino!)

-Rick Farris

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 08:44
by Rick Farris
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Hoya-Manny Pacquiao bout break down

By Dan Arritt, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

Negotiations about a possible fight between Oscar De La Hoya and Manny Pacquiao stalled Wednesday after the fighters failed to reach an agreement on the split of the purse, said Bob Arum, who represents Pacquiao.

De La Hoya offered Pacquiao a 30% share of the purse from the proposed Dec. 6 fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, but Pacquiao was seeking 40%, Arum said.

"They were adamant at 70-30 and weren't going to move," Arum said. "Manny turned down the fight and asked me to get him another fight for the fall."

Richard Schaefer, chief executive of De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions, said Tuesday that De La Hoya had agreed to fight Pacquiao at the welterweight limit of 147 pounds and with eight-ounce gloves, terms that Pacquiao had sought, but that De La Hoya would not alter his split of the purse.

Arum relayed the terms to Pacquiao, who turned down the offer.

"The decision was all Pacquiao," Arum said. "He feels, under the circumstances, he's entitled to a better split. When he realized there was absolutely no movement on De La Hoya's side, he decided to turn down the fight."

Schaefer said he was surprised with the decision because Pacquiao was set to earn the biggest payday of his career, regardless of the split.

"He could have made, at least, $9 million to $10 million, or about three or four times as much fighting someone else. I guess he's going to have to do three or four fights to make the same amount of money," Schaefer said.

De La Hoya, 35, is boxing's biggest draw and had said he would retire after his next fight.

Pacquiao had moved up to the 135-pound lightweight division in June, taking the World Boxing Council title from David Diaz with a ninth-round knockout. After the victory, many expected Pacquiao's next challenger to be popular Englishman Ricky Hatton in the 140-pound division, or Edwin Valero or Humberto Soto at 130 pounds.

De La Hoya weighed 150 in his last fight, against Steve Forbes, the lightest he has been since March 2001. Pacquiao, 29, began his pro career as a 106-pound strawweight. He has been fighting at 130 since 2005. In his last fight, he moved up to the 135-pound lightweight division for the first time.

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Good. This fight is a sick joke.
I agree, Bennie. Hell, I applaud Pacquiao for winning the lightweight title so impressivly considering this is a guy who started his pro career as a 106 lb. straw weight. I don't blame Oscar for wanting to leave the ring with another big payday, but why doesn't he do so fighting a guy his own size. Truth is, DLH just might not come away with a win over this game little Filipino. Pac man may not be able to KO Oscar, but he might send him home to his beautiful Puerto Rican wife looking like he'd just stuck his head in a bee hive. Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? Who cares?

-Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 10:30
by kikibalt
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 11:17
by kikibalt
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 11:40
by dagosd2000
bennie wrote:It's a stupid shot, really. Stracey is doing typical English hero - self-effacing - and comes across as smug. Still, that pose is a helluva lot better than Honeyghan posing naked with just the WBC belt round his waist after winning the title. Honeyghan had about five kids from five different women, and the same with his mate Hughroy Currie. I was once playing football in a Catford park with a bunch of youngsters and one of them was Currie's son.
He had never even met his dad.
My Pal From From Across The Pond.
After posting my feelings on that shot of Stracey with the crown,I saw your posts that I didn´t see before i made mine. I felt bad. I thought about it a lot. I wanted to get back to you but i was up in a mountain at my wife´s cousin´s rancho.

I saw how open and enthusiastic and proud you were of your guy Stracey. Good for you. At first I said I would delete my comments,but I posted them. Now validate them. Here´s the validation. I´m talking as a fan of Mantequilla. I said Stacey beat him fair and square. It´s not a stupid shot of Stracey. Maybe a little goofy,but not stupid. It was a knee jerk reaction from a fan of Napoles´s. Napoles had no excuses that day. He thought he could win easily and was revealed as not having prepared and growing old. I remember referee Mayon,who was told by Sulieman to award Napoles a TD against Muniz in Acapulco,stepping in to stop the fight against Stracey. We had never seen Napoles sag against the rops before. It was ugly for us to see. It was over. Mayron didn´t hesitate.

Stracey´s corner was jubilant. There was Mantequilla, standing impassively in the ring. His eyes torn to shreads. The next day he announced his retirement.

I have absolutely nothing against John. He just beat my idol. That shot of him with that crown on his head brought out a visceral feeling of anger. Towards John,yes, He beat my idol. I gathered myself,but after I made my posts. I saw your enthusiasm in your posts afterwards,and I was down.

Bennie pal,we could have sat together ringside that day when Stracey pulled the upset and would have been screaming for my guy,and you for yours. Afterwards,I would have put my arm around you and we would have shared Tequila. I would have had wanted to buy you a Fosters,but I don´t think there are any pubs in Mexico City. Cheers. Your amigo,Roger

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:08
by kikibalt
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:12
by kikibalt
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Willie Joyce

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:16
by bennie
dagosd2000 wrote:
bennie wrote:It's a stupid shot, really. Stracey is doing typical English hero - self-effacing - and comes across as smug. Still, that pose is a helluva lot better than Honeyghan posing naked with just the WBC belt round his waist after winning the title. Honeyghan had about five kids from five different women, and the same with his mate Hughroy Currie. I was once playing football in a Catford park with a bunch of youngsters and one of them was Currie's son.
He had never even met his dad.
My Pal From From Across The Pond.
After posting my feelings on that shot of Stracey with the crown,I saw your posts that I didn´t see before i made mine. I felt bad. I thought about it a lot. I wanted to get back to you but i was up in a mountain at my wife´s cousin´s rancho.

I saw how open and enthusiastic and proud you were of your guy Stracey. Good for you. At first I said I would delete my comments,but I posted them. Now validate them. Here´s the validation. I´m talking as a fan of Mantequilla. I said Stacey beat him fair and square. It´s not a stupid shot of Stracey. Maybe a little goofy,but not stupid. It was a knee jerk reaction from a fan of Napoles´s. Napoles had no excuses that day. He thought he could win easily and was revealed as not having prepared and growing old. I remember referee Mayon,who was told by Sulieman to award Napoles a TD against Muniz in Acapulco,stepping in to stop the fight against Stracey. We had never seen Napoles sag against the rops before. It was ugly for us to see. It was over. Mayron didn´t hesitate.

Stracey´s corner was jubilant. There was Mantequilla, standing impassively in the ring. His eyes torn to shreads. The next day he announced his retirement.

I have absolutely nothing against John. He just beat my idol. That shot of him with that crown on his head brought out a visceral feeling of anger. Towards John,yes, He beat my idol. I gathered myself,but after I made my posts. I saw your enthusiasm in your posts afterwards,and I was down.

Bennie pal,we could have sat together ringside that day when Stracey pulled the upset and would have been screaming for my guy,and you for yours. Afterwards,I would have put my arm around you and we would have shared Tequila. I would have had wanted to buy you a Fosters,but I don´t think there are any pubs in Mexico City. Cheers. Your amigo,Roger
Dagos, I fully understand. The fantastic thing about this thread is that everyone is looking at the same posts from their own personal experiences, their own geography, their own history, which is what makes it all so fascinating and varied.
Bottom line is, Stracey beat a shell of a Napoles. Everyone knows this.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:25
by bennie
Rick Farris wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image

Thad Spencer

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How good was Thad Spencer?
He and Leotis Martin took part in a fight in London that is generally regarded as the greatest heavyweight fight this country has ever seen. Sadly, it was non-televised and Thad, before my time.
Bennie . . . Thad Spencer was a small heavyweight, but he had a lot of talent. He was far from the best of his era, but a guy who got to a point where he was favored to win an eight man elimination tournament to find a successor to Ali, who had been stripped of his heavyweight title in 1968, for refusal to enter the Army after being drafted. When Ali was officially out of the picture, New York recognized Joe Frazier as champ after defeating Buster Mathis in a so-called "title fight". However, the WBA staged an eight man elimination tourney and Spencer beat Ernie Terrell in his quarter final match. He was next matched with my stablemate, Jerry Quarry, who had won a very close decision over Floyd Patterson. Spencer was listed as a clear favorite to beat Quarry, and made the mistake of taking Jerry lightly. I recall that our manager, Johnny Flores, came into his backyard gym one night prior to the match, and said that he had gotten word that Spencer was was not training properly, and doing a lot of "partying". Jerry on the other hand, was working himself into the best shape of his career. Another factor was Jerry Quarry's psych. You see, Jerry for some reason, was most dangerous in bouts he was expected to lose. Sure enough, Jerry had his way with Thad Spencer in Oakland, KOing Spencer, putting himself in the final match with Jimmy Ellis. Sadly, Jerry was a solid favorite to defeat Jimmy Ellis and, perhaps, this was the kiss of death for Quarry. Jerry fought like a dog and dropped a decision in a fight he should have won. Jerry would have never beaten Ali or Frazier (losing to both twice), however, Jimmy Ellis was made to order for Jerry, and this was Jerry's best chance to win that elusive heavyweight title.

-Rick
Thanks, Rick. Spencer believed his own press, then. Foolish.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:38
by bennie
Welsh great Joe Calzaghe continues to ply his trade in the lucrative American market when he takes on once mighty Roy Jones Jnr in a light-heavyweight 12-rounder at historic Madison Square Garden on November 8.
Calzaghe took a close split decision over Philadelphia's Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas four months ago, his first fight in the States. Sadly, it wasn't a great spectacle; Hopkins is something of an old spoiler these days at 43 but a win is still a win and Calzaghe moves on to another faded 'name' in Jones Jnr, who once held the mantle as the best fighter on the planet and is still capable of stretching an opponent. The 39-year-old from Pensacola in Florida goes in off the back of three straight wins.
Jones looked to be finished when he suffered back-to-back knockout defeats to Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson in 2004 but he came back to give Tarver a pretty good fight a year later, conceding a 12-round decision, and has since reeled off those three wins over decent, if not outstanding, opposition, including a 12-round decision over shopworn Puerto Rican puncher Felix Trinidad last time out in January, also in Madison Square Garden. A pro nearly 20 years, the classy, quick-handed Jones can only produces flashes of his best form today and his power looks to have seriously waned. The last man he stopped is Sheffield's Clinton Woods way back in 2002 (six rounds, body shots).
Calzaghe also looks to have lost power, since moving up to light-heavyweight. He still holds the WBO super-middleweight belt, making him the sport's longest reigning world champion, but the same heavy bursts of punches that buckled most of his super-middleweight opponents looked a lot less damaging a division up against the one-paced Hopkins, who was never troubled in the slightest. Indeed, Joe, who picked up a cut, looked to be slapping a lot; it was the American who scored the only knockdown of the fight (first round).
You know, Calzaghe is no spring chicken himself at 36 and regularly hints at retirement. Plus, he is plagued with hand and wrist injuries more than ever (the slapping won't have helped). This one was originally scheduled for the Garden on September 20 but put back due to a Calzaghe wrist injury suffered in training (merely in punching the pads). What if Calzaghe's hands 'go' again early in this fight? An acrimonious split with promoter F rank Warren in the build-up can hardly have helped his mental outlook, either.
Still, the unbeaten Calzaghe has split with a promoter before (Mickey Duff), endured hand injuries before, and is now tantalisingly close to the perfect and rather ghostly record of Rocky Marciano, at a magnificent 45-0 (32). (Marciano, who died in a plane crash in August 1969, retired and stayed retired at 49-0.) Calzaghe hasn't actually lost since 1990, his amateur days (obviously). Small wonder that many regard the gifted Newbridge man as the greatest fighter this island has ever produced. Calzaghe has fast hands and, combined with great workrate and a great chin, literally swamps his opponents. He nailed poor Jeff Lacy with 1,006 punches in a marquee performance in Manchester in 2006. Jones is quick too, but he does like to pick his punches, which separates the two.
Calzaghe's southpaw style should also reap dividends. It was southpaw Tarver who first flagged that Jones was on the wane back in 2003, when he held him to a majority 12-round decision in Las Vegas. "Magic Man " Tarver also went on to score those two wins over him. While Jones comes off that solid win over Trinidad seven months ago, Calzaghe will have learned from the whole Hopkins experience - his debut in America, to remind you - and knows he must put in a much better performance this time. Yes, he will have to chase the slick, potshotting Jones, whose record of 52-4 (38) still speaks for itself, but chase he will - hard and effectively.
Calzaghe punches out a decision.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:38
by kikibalt
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Vic Toweel dies in Australia!

August 15, 2008

By Ron Jackson

Vic Toweel former world bantamweight champion and the greatest fighter ever produced in the history of South Boxing passed away in Sydney, Australia on Friday morning at the age of 80. Toweel had settled in Australia some 20 years ago.

Victor Anthony Toweel who was born in Benoni on January 12, 1928 turned professional soon after returning from the 1948 Olympics and 17 months later, after 14 fights, he was undisputed bantamweight champion of the world.

He will always be remembered as the first SA boxer to win a universal world title. Other South Africans have won titles dished out by the “alphabet boxing bodies” during an era of multiple champions.

Viccie was called Dynamite, Benoni's Mighty Mouse, the Benoni Buzzaw and the White Henry Armstrong.

As an amateur he lost only two of his 300 fights. He won East Rand, Transvaal and SA junior and senior titles from 1941 to 1948 and was No 1 choice for the 1948 Olympic team. In London, however, Arnoldo Pares from Argentina eliminated him in the first round. Critics slammed the decision.

Viccie made his professional debut on 29 January 1949, the same night his brother Jimmy won the national lightweight title by stopping Johannes Landman in the second round.

Two wins inside the distance over Herby Andre and Kalla Persson followed for the short and stocky Viccie, who had slender legs, but unlimited stamina.

In his fourth professional fight Viccie won the SA bantamweight title when veteran Jimmy Webster was disqualified in the third round for holding.

Tony Lombard, an experienced and cunning featherweight who beat 13 champions at various weights during his long career, really tested the rising young star.

They met for the vacant SA featherweight title. Lombard started well but Vic emerged as the winner and new champion. He repeated the victory six weeks later.

Ronnie Clayton, the British and Empire featherweight champion, was offered a title fight against Vic in Johannesburg, but negotiations broke down and Stan Rowan, the British and Empire champion, was offered the fight.

In a one-sided contest Vic became Empire bantamweight champion. He then outclassed former world flyweight champion Jackie Patterson and retained the Empire crown against the Canadian Fernando Gagnon.

Toweel was now the biggest SA draw card, but was troubled by a nose injury that seriously affected his breathing. He had an operation that put him out of action for two months before the Gagnon fight.

Shortly after that promoter Reg Haswell announced that Toweel would challenge 33-year-old Manuel Ortiz, a 111-fight veteran and one of boxing's great bantamweight champions, for the world crown.

Toweel did miles of roadwork dressed in a special tracksuit made from thick blankets and with layers of tyre tubing wrapped tightly around his hips and torso to help take off excess weight.

Against the odds and after only 13 professional fights, Toweel became undisputed bantamweight champion of the world with a hard-earned points decision over 15 rounds. The victory over Ortiz was rated one of the greatest achievements in SA sports history.

His first defence was against Englishman Danny O'Sullivan, who was stopped in the tenth round after 20 knockdowns — a world record at the time.

Viccie never sidestepped local contenders and knocked out Fanie van Graan in two in defence of his national featherweight title.

Soon after that he stopped Jim Kenny, a Scottish featherweight, in seven and in September 1951 he knocked out another Scot, Bobby Boland, in the first round. He also outscored Frenchman George Mousse over 10 rounds in Port Elizabeth.

Mousse was a tricky opponent and Toweel never really mastered him in their three fights. In the second, in Salisbury, the Frenchman held him to a disputed draw — the first time Viccie did not win a professional bout. A month later, in a clumsy performance, he edged out the Frenchman.

In possibly the best performance of his career he retained his world title for the second time against Luis Romero, a powerfully built Spanish southpaw, and then had no difficulty retaining his title for the third time in a dull fight against Peter Keenan.

The latter part of 1952 was the beginning of the end for Vic Toweel. He stopped Tony Lombard in the eighth and also stopped Theo Medina, a Frenchman, in Johannesburg before the two unsatisfactory return fights with Mousse.

Next was a title defence against Jimmy Carruthers, a tall Australian southpaw who appeared to be rather amateurish without enough ability to bother the champion.

What most people did not know was the effect weight reducing was beginning to have on Toweel, who also suffered from double vision.

Carruthers suffered a septic toe and the fight had to be postponed. After the delay, Toweel looked poorly at the weigh-in, his face pale and drawn.

The fight lasted only 2 minute 19 seconds. The champion was smashed to his knees by a large number of blows and counted out by referee Willie Smith.

Carruthers gave Toweel a return match on 21 March 1953 and a crowd of 35 000 saw him holding his own until the sixth round, when he began to fade. He was counted out in the tenth.

Vic’s eyes were still giving him trouble and he went to London where a successful operation was performed.

On his return he announced that he would continue fighting as a featherweight. On 11 December 1953 he outpointed British featherweight champion Ronnie Clayton before losing on points to highly regarded Carmelo Costa in New York.

On 6 November 1953 Vic had his last fight, in the welterweight division, when he stopped Harry Walker in the eighth.

After years of battling with his weight and only two months short of his 27th birthday, he decided to hang up his gloves. So ended the career of possibly the greatest SA fighter of all time. His professional record was 28-3-1 (14).

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:51
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Image

Vic Toweel dies in Australia!

August 15, 2008

By Ron Jackson

Vic Toweel former world bantamweight champion and the greatest fighter ever produced in the history of South Boxing passed away in Sydney, Australia on Friday morning at the age of 80. Toweel had settled in Australia some 20 years ago.

Victor Anthony Toweel who was born in Benoni on January 12, 1928 turned professional soon after returning from the 1948 Olympics and 17 months later, after 14 fights, he was undisputed bantamweight champion of the world.

He will always be remembered as the first SA boxer to win a universal world title. Other South Africans have won titles dished out by the “alphabet boxing bodies” during an era of multiple champions.

Viccie was called Dynamite, Benoni's Mighty Mouse, the Benoni Buzzaw and the White Henry Armstrong.

As an amateur he lost only two of his 300 fights. He won East Rand, Transvaal and SA junior and senior titles from 1941 to 1948 and was No 1 choice for the 1948 Olympic team. In London, however, Arnoldo Pares from Argentina eliminated him in the first round. Critics slammed the decision.

Viccie made his professional debut on 29 January 1949, the same night his brother Jimmy won the national lightweight title by stopping Johannes Landman in the second round.

Two wins inside the distance over Herby Andre and Kalla Persson followed for the short and stocky Viccie, who had slender legs, but unlimited stamina.

In his fourth professional fight Viccie won the SA bantamweight title when veteran Jimmy Webster was disqualified in the third round for holding.

Tony Lombard, an experienced and cunning featherweight who beat 13 champions at various weights during his long career, really tested the rising young star.

They met for the vacant SA featherweight title. Lombard started well but Vic emerged as the winner and new champion. He repeated the victory six weeks later.

Ronnie Clayton, the British and Empire featherweight champion, was offered a title fight against Vic in Johannesburg, but negotiations broke down and Stan Rowan, the British and Empire champion, was offered the fight.

In a one-sided contest Vic became Empire bantamweight champion. He then outclassed former world flyweight champion Jackie Patterson and retained the Empire crown against the Canadian Fernando Gagnon.

Toweel was now the biggest SA draw card, but was troubled by a nose injury that seriously affected his breathing. He had an operation that put him out of action for two months before the Gagnon fight.

Shortly after that promoter Reg Haswell announced that Toweel would challenge 33-year-old Manuel Ortiz, a 111-fight veteran and one of boxing's great bantamweight champions, for the world crown.

Toweel did miles of roadwork dressed in a special tracksuit made from thick blankets and with layers of tyre tubing wrapped tightly around his hips and torso to help take off excess weight.

Against the odds and after only 13 professional fights, Toweel became undisputed bantamweight champion of the world with a hard-earned points decision over 15 rounds. The victory over Ortiz was rated one of the greatest achievements in SA sports history.

His first defence was against Englishman Danny O'Sullivan, who was stopped in the tenth round after 20 knockdowns — a world record at the time.

Viccie never sidestepped local contenders and knocked out Fanie van Graan in two in defence of his national featherweight title.

Soon after that he stopped Jim Kenny, a Scottish featherweight, in seven and in September 1951 he knocked out another Scot, Bobby Boland, in the first round. He also outscored Frenchman George Mousse over 10 rounds in Port Elizabeth.

Mousse was a tricky opponent and Toweel never really mastered him in their three fights. In the second, in Salisbury, the Frenchman held him to a disputed draw — the first time Viccie did not win a professional bout. A month later, in a clumsy performance, he edged out the Frenchman.

In possibly the best performance of his career he retained his world title for the second time against Luis Romero, a powerfully built Spanish southpaw, and then had no difficulty retaining his title for the third time in a dull fight against Peter Keenan.

The latter part of 1952 was the beginning of the end for Vic Toweel. He stopped Tony Lombard in the eighth and also stopped Theo Medina, a Frenchman, in Johannesburg before the two unsatisfactory return fights with Mousse.

Next was a title defence against Jimmy Carruthers, a tall Australian southpaw who appeared to be rather amateurish without enough ability to bother the champion.

What most people did not know was the effect weight reducing was beginning to have on Toweel, who also suffered from double vision.

Carruthers suffered a septic toe and the fight had to be postponed. After the delay, Toweel looked poorly at the weigh-in, his face pale and drawn.

The fight lasted only 2 minute 19 seconds. The champion was smashed to his knees by a large number of blows and counted out by referee Willie Smith.

Carruthers gave Toweel a return match on 21 March 1953 and a crowd of 35 000 saw him holding his own until the sixth round, when he began to fade. He was counted out in the tenth.

Vic’s eyes were still giving him trouble and he went to London where a successful operation was performed.

On his return he announced that he would continue fighting as a featherweight. On 11 December 1953 he outpointed British featherweight champion Ronnie Clayton before losing on points to highly regarded Carmelo Costa in New York.

On 6 November 1953 Vic had his last fight, in the welterweight division, when he stopped Harry Walker in the eighth.

After years of battling with his weight and only two months short of his 27th birthday, he decided to hang up his gloves. So ended the career of possibly the greatest SA fighter of all time. His professional record was 28-3-1 (14).
Famous names dying, going, not being replaced. Boxing is in trouble.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:55
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:Famous names dying, going, not being replaced. Boxing is in trouble.
Us old guys are in trouble too, Bennie.... :cry:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 13:57
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Famous names dying, going, not being replaced. Boxing is in trouble.
Us old guys are in trouble too, Bennie.... :cry:
What would you do about the whole mixed-up modern boxing scene, Frankie?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:10
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:Famous names dying, going, not being replaced. Boxing is in trouble.
Us old guys are in trouble too, Bennie.... :cry:
What would you do about the whole mixed-up modern boxing scene, Frankie?

Get rid of the ABC's, and also so weight class's, one champion in each weight class, start the small clubs again in order to built up the local talent and have cross town rivalries in every city.

Thats some of the thing I would do, I know that its all just a dream, but this old guy can dream, can't he?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:17
by bennie
He can. Yeah, the alphabet boys are close to killing the sport. They don't even have one champ per weight, with these 'super' champs, interim champs, etc. Sickening.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:24
by kikibalt
Last Sunday I took my wife Connie for a Sunday drive, we went to Tom's Farms, which is about 10 mile south of Corona Ca., it was a hang-out of our's back in our biker days, on any given Sunday, you'll see a hundred or so bikes, mostly Harleys, btw Corona Ca. was the birth place of the great Bantamweight champion Manuel Ortiz.

Following are some photos that I shot on Sunday.

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Connie relaxing under a tree.

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Some of the bikes we seen on Sunday

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Live music

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:29
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:Last Sunday I took my wife Connie for a Sunday drive, we went to Tom Farms, which is about 10 mile south of Corona Ca., it was a hang-out of our's back in our biker days, an any given Sunday, you'll see a hundred or so bikes, mostly Harleys, btw Corona Ca. was the birth place ot the great Bantamweight champion Manuel Ortiz.

Following are some photos that I shot on Sunday.

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Connie relaxing under a tree.

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Some of the bikes we seen on Sunday

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Live music
When does Connie lose the brace, Frank?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:30
by kikibalt
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People hanging out

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Two biker dudes

There is a little story on these two guys, which I'll post later

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The parking lot

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:38
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Last Sunday I took my wife Connie for a Sunday drive, we went to Tom Farms, which is about 10 mile south of Corona Ca., it was a hang-out of our's back in our biker days, an any given Sunday, you'll see a hundred or so bikes, mostly Harleys, btw Corona Ca. was the birth place ot the great Bantamweight champion Manuel Ortiz.

Following are some photos that I shot on Sunday.

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Connie relaxing under a tree.

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Some of the bikes we seen on Sunday

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Live music
When does Connie lose the brace, Frank?
Don't know Tom, She won't see her doctor till early September.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:41
by bennie
Man, California looks HOT!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:47
by kikibalt
Gems of the Ring, Guarded by a Professor in Boxing Gloves
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Andrew Henderson/The New York Times
Anthony M. Cucchiara, right, a professor of archival management at Brooklyn College, training with Dillon Carew in Brooklyn. More Photos >


By GLENN COLLINS

A now yellowing, handwritten letter from a feisty former lightweight boxer known as the Napoleon of the Ring — Jack McAuliffe by name — was sent in 1924 to the Hoosier Flash, an Indianapolis pugilist named Sid Glick. “My letters to you may be worth a fortune when I am dead,” McAuliffe wrote to Glick. “Just keep them. I don’t write to many.”

Boxing Archive Arrives in Brooklyn Someone did keep them: Hank Kaplan, widely regarded as the nation’s foremost boxing historian when he died in 2007 at age 88 in Florida.

Now his vast boxing archive, amassed over half a century, has arrived in the borough of his birth, at the Brooklyn College Library. And if the McAuliffe letters are not worth a fortune, that is hardly true of the archive, believed to be worth nearly $3 million.

For years, many worried that “the collection would be lost in a hurricane, or broken up after Hank passed away,” said Anthony M. Cucchiara, professor of archival management at Brooklyn College. “The collection survived out of Hank’s love and devotion, and a bit of sheer luck.”

Luck? Yes: Professor Cucchiara, whose title is archivist and head of distinctive collections, is something else: a boxer.

At age 57, he works out every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday at Gleason’s Gym in Brooklyn with Hector Rocca, who trained the fighter Arturo Gatti and the actress Hilary Swank for her role in the film “Million Dollar Baby.”

And so the boxing archive and the sparring archivist were introduced, and a match was made.

As yet unavailable to researchers, the collection — so far publicly confined to a small exhibition area in the library — consumes a 10-foot-high chamber in the Archives and Special Collections Division.

Crammed into the space are 2,600 books, 200,000 rare prints and negatives, 790 boxes of newspaper clippings from 1890 to 2007, 300 tapes of fights and interviews, reams of correspondence and hundreds of items of memorabilia, including belt buckles, trading cards and signed boxing gloves. Among the treasures is a heavy punching bag pounded by Cassius Clay in Miami before he renamed himself Muhammad Ali.

Although it might seem incongruous for an academic institution to devote space to a boxing collection, Professor Cucchiara said he hoped the Kaplan collection would be “a valuable archeological dig” for scholars. “I suppose some people would want to turn their noses up at a boxing collection,” he said. “But the story of America is in this archive. Boxing is a prism for our cultural history, and is important for its associations with immigration, ethnicity, class, race and nationalism.”

The Kaplan collection-Cucchiara connection was made through David Smith, a supervising librarian at the New York Public Library in Manhattan who regularly works with authors. He learned about the Kaplan archive from the writer David Margolick, who was researching his 2005 book, “Beyond Glory: Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling, and a World on the Brink.”

“For boxing writers, visiting the Kaplan collection was like going to Mecca,” Mr. Smith said. When he read about Professor Cucchiara in a 2005 article in The New York Times that mentioned his avocation, “I got in touch with Tony and told him, ‘there’s a boxing archive in Miami you might be interested in,’ ” Mr. Smith said, adding that he asked Mr. Margolick to tell Kaplan about Professor Cucchiara.

Soon, then, the Brooklyn archivist headed to Kendall Park in Florida to inspect the collection in 2006, “and when I first saw it, it was overwhelming,” Professor Cucchiara recalled. “It completely filled Hank’s house and two-car garage. I was stunned.”

The collection is valued at $2.94 million, “and probably it’s worth much more,” said its appraiser, Larry E. Sullivan, a professor of criminal justice at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in Manhattan, who was chief of the rare book and special collections division of the Library of Congress.

Though Kaplan’s day job was to toil for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Miami, he had longtime friendships with trainers like Angelo Dundee and fighters including Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston, Kid Gavilan and Ezzard Charles. He collected much of their memorabilia, “preserving it all on the fly,” Professor Cucchiara said.

A 6-footer who was once a boxer, Kaplan was a pipe-smoking original known as “the human encyclopedia,” who commonly used sonorous phrases like “fistic arcana” to describe his meticulously organized life’s work.

Soft-spoken with a dense Brooklyn accent, and scholarly in a rough-hewn way, “he would sit at a table piled with publications, and he clipped away every night for 40 or 50 years, filing it all away,” Mr. Margolick recalled.

Kaplan maintained information on virtually every professional boxer and trainer — and even judges and announcers — and documented 1,200 boxing deaths. He reveled in compiling curious dossiers, like Jewish boxers who adopted disparate ethnic pseudonyms.

After Kaplan’s death, Professor Cucchiara was surprised to get a call from his family telling him that the entire valuable collection had been willed as a gift to Brooklyn College.

“I think Hank liked the idea that the collection would be coming to Brooklyn,” Professor Cucchiara said, noting that Kaplan was born in Williamsburg. “And it could be that he thought — since I’m both an academician and a boxer — that I would not let him down.”

Boxing was once a mass entertainment more popular than baseball and football in an era when it was not unusual for much of the populace to tune radios to championship fights, Dr. Sullivan said. But the sport was gradually marginalized because of the decline of the neighborhood zeitgeist that supported local gyms, the toll of debilitating injuries and deaths, the competition from team sports that provided other, less punishing, options for youths, and boxing’s connection with organized crime, he said.

Today, “boxing is a niche sport, abandoned by network television and playing to an enthusiastic following locked in to cable television and pay-per-view championship bouts,” Professor Cucchiara said. The collection — a bonanza of high-value artifacts, primary-source records and eccentric oddments — traces many social trends, Professor Cucchiara said, including the waves of immigration that fed the boxing beast. It reveals the competitiveness of ethnic groups as well as the power of boxing to uplift, or destroy, those newcomers.

There are 150 ringed binders of correspondence, tickets and ephemera, as well as telegrams, souvenir programs, fight cards, boxing licenses, contracts and 1,000 broadsides and posters.

The collection encompasses photographs of Joe Louis; a gold-plated cigarette case given by Max Baer to his trainer, Issy Kline; Ali’s training trunks for the Leon Spinks fight; and sketches by Ali, an inveterate doodler. “And you have the actual photo signed by Liston,” Dr. Sullivan said, “who didn’t sign a lot of photos. His wife did.”

Professor Cucchiara is raising $200,000 to house the collection in acid-free storage, and to study and catalog it. “I felt so sad when the door came down on that garage,” he said, recalling supervising the removal of the collection from Kaplan’s house in February.

“It seemed,” he said, “like the punctuation of Hank’s life.”

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:49
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:Man, California looks HOT!
Bennie,

When're you coming out to see us?.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Aug 2008, 14:51
by bennie
I wish. I'm not sure they would let me in, Frankie. :wink: