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Dixonian wrote:

handsofstone wrote:

Dixonian wrote:
Looks like you called it CounterPuncher, except he was favouring the left because of the right leg rather than the arm?

Yeah he was definitely relying on the left hand, its just not as seasoned as his right hand, mix that together with a man desperate for to prove everyone right and score a sensational early KO, you have a wild man which is what Haye was before the injury especially in the 1st round, I had him up by the 5 th but he was still poor and Bellew was doing nothing offensively

Also can I say Bellew deserves massive kudos for trying to close the show instead of cruising to a no doubt inevitable points victory
One of the biggest shocks in my time watching boxing even with a Haye injury

I think the injury takes away from the shock value personally. I always felt injury was Bellew's only chance. But I will give Bellew credit for his boxing savvy in the early stages, even if he was on the way to a points loss.

Even if he was - behind on points - key difference there

Firstly, Bellew fought a very good fight. He had a great first 2 or 3 rounds and made Haye wary of just walking through him. That gave him a bit of time.

As for Haye, he looked rusty and his feet were awful from the first bell. It wouldn't surprise me if he was carrying an injury from the start as the rumours suggest. His footwork looked ponderous at best and it looked like it affected his power and speed. Obviously it went fully eventually and that turned it massively in Bellew favour.

I thought Haye (before the injury noticeably worsened) was winning the fight and Bellew looked to be tiring. Haye looked to be connecting more frequently and it looked a matter of time before the end.

After the injury Hayes tactics were very much using the ropes for support and look for a one off hook or uppercut to finish the fight. It was like a forced rope a dope. However, with no feet to gain power it looked like it was going to drag on to a 12 round points decision with Bellew the beneficiary of a Haye injury.

Fair play to Bellew who performed better than most expected and to see him not celebrate at the end showed great respect for the way the fight ended.

Despite all the moaning on here, I thought the fight was interesting enough and both fighters can come away with some kudos for the way they fought.

Loved the way Fast Eddie went to embrace Bellew at the fight's end only for Bellew turn his back on him and then shrug him off as Hearn tried to hug him from behind. Hearn's grin completely evaporates

Cholo_cws wrote:Loved the way Fast Eddie went to embrace Bellew at the fight's end only for Bellew turn his back on him and then shrug him off as Hearn tried to hug him from behind. Hearn's grin completely evaporates

..loved that too, whatever that was supposed to mean

greg wrote:

Cholo_cws wrote:Loved the way Fast Eddie went to embrace Bellew at the fight's end only for Bellew turn his back on him and then shrug him off as Hearn tried to hug him from behind. Hearn's grin completely evaporates

..loved that too, whatever that was supposed to mean

I saw it. That shat eating grin disappeared pretty sharpish.

He shrugged Coldwell off just before, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

BigRed wrote:

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Finn wrote:Well eff me that was bad to watch. Haye was dragging the back foot and flat footed from the start, then when the Achilles really went he was shagged. I lost big on that fornicator.

Finn wrote:

Stevieb8006 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Never seen Bellew or whatever boxing, but by looking at his cruiserweight results, he probably has a fair chance.

???????? Cheers for the invaluable input then

asdfjkl wrote:

Finn wrote:Well eff me that was bad to watch. Haye was dragging the back foot and flat footed from the start, then when the Achilles really went he was shagged. I lost big on that fornicator.

Finn wrote:

Stevieb8006 wrote: ???????? Cheers for the invaluable input then

That seems like a David coldwell type statement / jibe where he is claiming his tactics won the fight. Just like freak circumstances causes your semi prediction based on not watching one of the fighter before to become true.

The reality is the only thing Bellew did in that fight was manage to dodge some wild swinging punches from an off an unbalanced, flat footed and clearly injured fighter, then when Hayes Achilles fully blew Bellew pretty much did nothing other than land some pretty week shots until Haye lost balance and fell through the ropes. If Haye had been fit it would have been a completely different fight.

People calling this a master class and phenomenal performance by Bellew are just deluded. He won and it's not his fault Haye was injured but any talk of him challenging at top fully fit heavy weight is completely ludicrous- he will do it for the payday and fair play to him, but wilder, Joshua, Fury, would beat him with ease.

Anyone on here who knows anything about boxing, despite who they were supporting, must surely agree that Bellew showed nothing to suggest he could beat a top heavy weight unless they also came in completely injured as well.

Finn wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Finn wrote:Well eff me that was bad to watch. Haye was dragging the back foot and flat footed from the start, then when the Achilles really went he was shagged. I lost big on that fornicator.

Finn wrote:

That seems like a David coldwell type statement / jibe where he is claiming his tactics won the fight. Just like freak circumstances causes your semi prediction based on not watching one of the fighter before to become true.

The reality is the only thing Bellew did in that fight was manage to dodge some wild swinging punches from an off an unbalanced, flat footed and clearly injured fighter, then when Hayes Achilles fully blew Bellew pretty much did nothing other than land some pretty week shots until Haye lost balance and fell through the ropes. If Haye had been fit it would have been a completely different fight.

People calling this a master class and phenomenal performance by Bellew are just deluded. He won and it's not his fault Haye was injured but any talk of him challenging at top fully fit heavy weight is completely ludicrous- he will do it for the payday and fair play to him, but wilder, Joshua, Fury, would beat him with ease.

Anyone on here who knows anything about boxing, despite who they were supporting, must surely agree that Bellew showed nothing to suggest he could beat a top heavy weight unless they also came in completely injured as well.

I agree, Bellew is still a bum and absolutely doesn't deserve his rank 3 heavyweight of the world which he now got according to boxrec, because he received most of his points in a different weightclass.

BBC reports Bellew claiming he broke his hand in 2 or 3.

asdfjkl wrote:

Finn wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

That seems like a David coldwell type statement / jibe where he is claiming his tactics won the fight. Just like freak circumstances causes your semi prediction based on not watching one of the fighter before to become true.

The reality is the only thing Bellew did in that fight was manage to dodge some wild swinging punches from an off an unbalanced, flat footed and clearly injured fighter, then when Hayes Achilles fully blew Bellew pretty much did nothing other than land some pretty week shots until Haye lost balance and fell through the ropes. If Haye had been fit it would have been a completely different fight.

People calling this a master class and phenomenal performance by Bellew are just deluded. He won and it's not his fault Haye was injured but any talk of him challenging at top fully fit heavy weight is completely ludicrous- he will do it for the payday and fair play to him, but wilder, Joshua, Fury, would beat him with ease.

Anyone on here who knows anything about boxing, despite who they were supporting, must surely agree that Bellew showed nothing to suggest he could beat a top heavy weight unless they also came in completely injured as well.

I agree, Bellew is still a bum and absolutely doesn't deserve his rank 3 heavyweight of the world which he now got according to boxrec, because he received most of his points in a different weightclass.

Bellew is not a bum. That's a foolish comment.

Then why should I be surprised, you're the biggest jackass on the whole forum, and that's even with some very stiff competition.

https://twitter.com/SkySportsFraser/sta ... +289476608

Who is the black guy in the red cap in this clip?

Boxingnut wrote:https://twitter.com/SkySportsFraser/sta ... +289476608

Who is the black guy in the red cap in this clip?

Chisora

Controversial wrote:

Boxingnut wrote:https://twitter.com/SkySportsFraser/sta ... +289476608

Who is the black guy in the red cap in this clip?

Chisora

Fuckin hell of course, boy is my face red

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Finn wrote:
That seems like a David coldwell type statement / jibe where he is claiming his tactics won the fight. Just like freak circumstances causes your semi prediction based on not watching one of the fighter before to become true.

The reality is the only thing Bellew did in that fight was manage to dodge some wild swinging punches from an off an unbalanced, flat footed and clearly injured fighter, then when Hayes Achilles fully blew Bellew pretty much did nothing other than land some pretty week shots until Haye lost balance and fell through the ropes. If Haye had been fit it would have been a completely different fight.

People calling this a master class and phenomenal performance by Bellew are just deluded. He won and it's not his fault Haye was injured but any talk of him challenging at top fully fit heavy weight is completely ludicrous- he will do it for the payday and fair play to him, but wilder, Joshua, Fury, would beat him with ease.

Anyone on here who knows anything about boxing, despite who they were supporting, must surely agree that Bellew showed nothing to suggest he could beat a top heavy weight unless they also came in completely injured as well.

I agree, Bellew is still a bum and absolutely doesn't deserve his rank 3 heavyweight of the world which he now got according to boxrec, because he received most of his points in a different weightclass.

Bellew is not a bum. That's a foolish comment.

Then why should I be surprised, you're the biggest jackass on the whole forum, and that's even with some very stiff competition.

In the heavyweight division he doesn't deserve rank 3, somehow he had this morning, at this moment he's set back to the cruiserweight division, so not ranked in the heavyweights any more.

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: I agree, Bellew is still a bum and absolutely doesn't deserve his rank 3 heavyweight of the world which he now got according to boxrec, because he received most of his points in a different weightclass.

Bellew is not a bum. That's a foolish comment.

Then why should I be surprised, you're the biggest jackass on the whole forum, and that's even with some very stiff competition.

In the heavyweight division he doesn't deserve rank 3, somehow he had this morning, at this moment he's set back to the cruiserweight division, so not ranked in the heavyweights any more.

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That's not how it works. If his most recent fight was at over the cruiser limit, then he's rated as a heavyweight, until he fights again at cruiser.

A top 3 ranking is a little flattering to say the least, but it will be based on his ranking at cruiserweight too.

Boxingnut wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Boxingnut wrote:https://twitter.com/SkySportsFraser/sta ... +289476608

Who is the black guy in the red cap in this clip?

Chisora

Fuckin hell of course, boy is my face red

And you call yourself a boxing nut?

Finn wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Finn wrote:Well eff me that was bad to watch. Haye was dragging the back foot and flat footed from the start, then when the Achilles really went he was shagged. I lost big on that fornicator.

Finn wrote:

That seems like a David coldwell type statement / jibe where he is claiming his tactics won the fight. Just like freak circumstances causes your semi prediction based on not watching one of the fighter before to become true.

The reality is the only thing Bellew did in that fight was manage to dodge some wild swinging punches from an off an unbalanced, flat footed and clearly injured fighter, then when Hayes Achilles fully blew Bellew pretty much did nothing other than land some pretty week shots until Haye lost balance and fell through the ropes. If Haye had been fit it would have been a completely different fight.

People calling this a master class and phenomenal performance by Bellew are just deluded. He won and it's not his fault Haye was injured but any talk of him challenging at top fully fit heavy weight is completely ludicrous- he will do it for the payday and fair play to him, but wilder, Joshua, Fury, would beat him with ease.

Anyone on here who knows anything about boxing, despite who they were supporting, must surely agree that Bellew showed nothing to suggest he could beat a top heavy weight unless they also came in completely injured as well.

I agree, he could probably beat a few guys in the top 20, but I can't see him beating a big, prime, fully fit skilled heavyweight. He's not got the right toolkit.

Wilder, as as he is technically, would flatten him, Parker probably too, Fury, Joshua, Wlad, all of the top guys would win. Chisora would steamroller him, and Whyte too. He's not got the power to keep them honest. What people seem to be conveniently forgetting is that prior to the injury suddely worsening catastrophically, Bellew had barely landed anything.

It would be interesting to see the scorecards up to the injury. I think I scored it 3-1 for Haye.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Finn wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

That seems like a David coldwell type statement / jibe where he is claiming his tactics won the fight. Just like freak circumstances causes your semi prediction based on not watching one of the fighter before to become true.

The reality is the only thing Bellew did in that fight was manage to dodge some wild swinging punches from an off an unbalanced, flat footed and clearly injured fighter, then when Hayes Achilles fully blew Bellew pretty much did nothing other than land some pretty week shots until Haye lost balance and fell through the ropes. If Haye had been fit it would have been a completely different fight.

People calling this a master class and phenomenal performance by Bellew are just deluded. He won and it's not his fault Haye was injured but any talk of him challenging at top fully fit heavy weight is completely ludicrous- he will do it for the payday and fair play to him, but wilder, Joshua, Fury, would beat him with ease.

Anyone on here who knows anything about boxing, despite who they were supporting, must surely agree that Bellew showed nothing to suggest he could beat a top heavy weight unless they also came in completely injured as well.

I agree, he could probably beat a few guys in the top 20, but I can't see him beating a big, prime, fully fit skilled heavyweight. He's not got the right toolkit.

Wilder, as as he is technically, would flatten him, Parker probably too, Fury, Joshua, Wlad, all of the top guys would win. Chisora would steamroller him, and Whyte too. He's not got the power to keep them honest. What people seem to be conveniently forgetting is that prior to the injury suddely worsening catastrophically, Bellew had barely landed anything.

It would be interesting to see the scorecards up to the injury. I think I scored it 3-1 for Haye.

It was 4-1 Haye until he Achilles completely blew however I don't believe Bellew had any intention of engaging in the early rounds so for me the scores don't mean anything. He was still trying to execute a game plan so he can't be berated for not winning the early rounds. However I don't believe the game plan would have worked if it wasn't for the injury and Haye to me was fairly economical and could have jabbed the fight out and won on points I don't see any signs to say he would have gassed, we've seen him fight at a higher tempo before for a full 12.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Bellew is not a bum. That's a foolish comment.

Then why should I be surprised, you're the biggest jackass on the whole forum, and that's even with some very stiff competition.

In the heavyweight division he doesn't deserve rank 3, somehow he had this morning, at this moment he's set back to the cruiserweight division, so not ranked in the heavyweights any more.

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That's not how it works. If his most recent fight was at over the cruiser limit, then he's rated as a heavyweight, until he fights again at cruiser.

A top 3 ranking is a little flattering to say the least, but it will be based on his ranking at cruiserweight too.

He temporary was rank 2 even:


Anyway, he's set back to cruiserweight now, like he should be.

Finn wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Finn wrote:
That seems like a David coldwell type statement / jibe where he is claiming his tactics won the fight. Just like freak circumstances causes your semi prediction based on not watching one of the fighter before to become true.

The reality is the only thing Bellew did in that fight was manage to dodge some wild swinging punches from an off an unbalanced, flat footed and clearly injured fighter, then when Hayes Achilles fully blew Bellew pretty much did nothing other than land some pretty week shots until Haye lost balance and fell through the ropes. If Haye had been fit it would have been a completely different fight.

People calling this a master class and phenomenal performance by Bellew are just deluded. He won and it's not his fault Haye was injured but any talk of him challenging at top fully fit heavy weight is completely ludicrous- he will do it for the payday and fair play to him, but wilder, Joshua, Fury, would beat him with ease.

Anyone on here who knows anything about boxing, despite who they were supporting, must surely agree that Bellew showed nothing to suggest he could beat a top heavy weight unless they also came in completely injured as well.

I agree, he could probably beat a few guys in the top 20, but I can't see him beating a big, prime, fully fit skilled heavyweight. He's not got the right toolkit.

Wilder, as as he is technically, would flatten him, Parker probably too, Fury, Joshua, Wlad, all of the top guys would win. Chisora would steamroller him, and Whyte too. He's not got the power to keep them honest. What people seem to be conveniently forgetting is that prior to the injury suddely worsening catastrophically, Bellew had barely landed anything.

It would be interesting to see the scorecards up to the injury. I think I scored it 3-1 for Haye.

It was 4-1 Haye until he Achilles completely blew however I don't believe Bellew had any intention of engaging in the early rounds so for me the scores don't mean anything. He was still trying to execute a game plan so he can't be berated for not winning the early rounds. However I don't believe the game plan would have worked if it wasn't for the injury and Haye to me was fairly economical and could have jabbed the fight out and won on points I don't see any signs to say he would have gassed, we've seen him fight at a higher tempo before for a full 12.

Agreed, haye didn't look to be tiring at all, hardly surprising, it was hardly Bowe v Holyfield - you could could probably do 20 rounds at that sort of output.

asdfjkl wrote:I agree, Bellew is still a bum and absolutely doesn't deserve his rank 3 heavyweight of the world which he now got according to boxrec, because he received most of his points in a different weightclass.

Boxrec still rank Bellew as a cruiserweight, he's joint 2nd/3rd with Huck. The Boxrec heavyweight rankings are mess, mostly because the division is. Bellew isn't a bum either, he's a decent cruiserweight.

BitPlayer wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:I agree, Bellew is still a bum and absolutely doesn't deserve his rank 3 heavyweight of the world which he now got according to boxrec, because he received most of his points in a different weightclass.

Boxrec still rank Bellew as a cruiserweight, he's joint 2nd/3rd with Huck. The Boxrec heavyweight rankings are mess, mostly because the division is. Bellew isn't a bum either, he's a decent cruiserweight.

The word bum get thrown around too easily, he is certainly not a bum. But he's not a world class heavy weight. He's a top class cruiser. I can't think of any fighter that couldn't have beaten Haye last night from light heavy upwards.