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Lacy, narrow SD. Both look terrible.

Chris Byrd & James Toney at Cruiserweight, in or near their peaks...

Robinson wrote:Re- Hopkins vs Willard


Tom McMahon who at 5'11 and 175-180lbs who would never
have the talent of Hopkins even in 2008....and who is essentially
a smaller man than Hopkins.

Gunboat Smith who at 6'2 is taller than Bernard but is around
the same weight also...but not near the skill level of Hopkins
managed to outpoint the big giant.

While bravery and durability is a trait that Willard exhibited I
do not think he fares well against a talented, in shape, skilled
fighter regardless of size.

How do you think Willard fares in 1915 in a 45-rounder, no mouthpiece, and five-ounce gloves, outdoors with the temperature in the low 90s?

C'mon, gents, we're getting away from the spirit of the game (which is to keep discussion of the fights to a minimum). We can always start a thread to involve the forum in a Willard-Hopkins or a Corbett-De La Hoya hypothetical.

raylawpc wrote:

Robinson wrote:Re- Hopkins vs Willard


Tom McMahon who at 5'11 and 175-180lbs who would never
have the talent of Hopkins even in 2008....and who is essentially
a smaller man than Hopkins.

Gunboat Smith who at 6'2 is taller than Bernard but is around
the same weight also...but not near the skill level of Hopkins
managed to outpoint the big giant.

While bravery and durability is a trait that Willard exhibited I
do not think he fares well against a talented, in shape, skilled
fighter regardless of size.

How do you think Willard fares in 1915 in a 45-rounder, no mouthpiece, and five-ounce gloves, outdoors with the temperature in the low 90s?

And I suppose Benjamin Brain, Tom Johnson, Jem Belcher would dominate
Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali and Larry Holmes under London Prize Rules ?

Or conversely how would Willard fair under modern boxing rules ...which
is what we are here to discuss anyhow ?


GI,

You are right and I am sorry for detracting from the spirit of the
thread.

Toney by a close, maybe even split decision, although I don't think Toney was at or near his peak as a cruiserweight

Next:
Alan Minter, prime, vs. Felix Sturm, anywhere outside of Germany

I like Minter on a close, unanimous decision.

Fernando Vargas (1999-2000) vs. the present Antonio Margarito at Jr. Middle? If you remember, Vargas was hot-shit at that time --- how would it look between him & Margarito? Intriguing match-up, IMO.

Great war from the start. Even though Vargas was hot shit at the time, I would take Margarito wearing Vargas down and KOing him in the 12th. Both could punch but as Vargas showed later on, the wear and tear of such a war could get to him late.

Next for my friends down under:
Tony Mundine, 1974 (pre-Monzon fight) vs Anthony Mundine, 170 pounds, 15 rounds, Festival Hall, Brisbane

this bout is somewhat spoiled by poor refereeing from a Mrs S. Mundine who persisted in holding up the action whenever Tony Mundine tried to mount an attack. Issuing a public warning against her husband in the first 30 seconds of the fight set the tone for the rest of the match. Mundine senior was never allowed to lay a glove on the younger Mundine, who didnt have the talent to hurt his pa, and eventually quit on his stool after 8 frustrating rounds.

(it is alleged that Mundine senior had forgotten his wife's birthday two months before the bout)

gene tunney v bob foster - both at peak and at their best fighting weights.

Tunney shows Foster a lot of respect --- too much --- for a man with a famously iron jaw who twice bested Dempsey, but starts losing rounds as a result of it. Foster's pinpoint punches find their home (power included) through the first four rounds. "You're not landing enough," Doc Bagley tells his charge in the corner. "Start off the jab, circle, & step in with a combination..." Tunney had the edge in rounds six-through-eleven, evening up a close contest. He was brilliant in the final round --- a round needed by both men --- winning on his bicycle & even wobbling Foster in the closing seconds. Tunney gets a split decision.

Who dares pick a winner here?

Arguello vs. Sanchez at FW? I'd love to see what'd happen when Arguello's punches met Sanchez's chin...

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Tunney shows Foster a lot of respect --- too much --- for a man with a famously iron jaw who twice bested Dempsey, but starts losing rounds as a result of it. Foster's pinpoint punches find their home (power included) through the first four rounds. "You're not landing enough," Doc Bagley tells his charge in the corner. "Start off the jab, circle, & step in with a combination..." Tunney had the edge in rounds six-through-eleven, evening up a close contest. He was brilliant in the final round --- a round needed by both men --- winning on his bicycle & even wobbling Foster in the closing seconds. Tunney gets a split decision.

Who dares pick a winner here?

Arguello vs. Sanchez at FW? I'd love to see what'd happen when Arguello's punches met Sanchez's chin...

Sanchez was a one of a kind.Arguello of course,a big and mighty banger but Sanchez has the whiskers,and of course,the iron will based tenacity levels to withstand...We're talkin some Extremely intense Pride Power here,and Sanchez's never ceased to work on his behalf.Too much adrenaline and fighting spirit goin through them veins.

Didnt hardly flinch against the flushest of shots from Lopez and Ford.Nelson also carried more than decent power at 126 even at that early stage.

I see Sanchez "Rollin with the Punches" as they say,and leaving Arguello rather Flustered,if not,Downright Discouraged.

Okay,so i see Arguello actually deckin em.A flash Kd in round 13 but Sanchez More than keeps his Cool Calm Demeanor and Composure and keeps up the workrate and superior counter punching en route to a UD by scores of 8-6-1,9-5-1,and 7-6-2.
Of course,If the 10 point must system is incorporated,then judge 3 would have it one point for Arguello and therefore,in that case scenario,a SD Win For Sanchez.


Doubleheader


Gerrie Coetzee(83 version) VS Andrew Golota(96 version)

12 Rounds



& then...

Prince Charles Williams vs Lou Del Valle


12 Rounds

AngryGoon38 wrote: Gerrie Coetzee(83 version) VS Andrew Golota(96 version)

12 Rounds



& then...

Prince Charles Williams vs Lou Del Valle


12 Rounds

Golota finds a way to blow the Coetzee fight (possibly by an uncharacteristic late come-from-behind stoppage from Coetzee), then Williams beats the piss out of Honeyboy and wins a clear decision, though perhaps getting up off the floor at some point to do do.


Next up:

Ike Quartey vs. Wilfred Benitez

Benitez frustrates Quartey out of the contest through the last five rounds, having figured out Quartey's best punch --- the jab --- in the middle stages. Benitez UD.

A curve ball...

Cassius Clay (1962) vs. Mike Tyson (1999)...

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Benitez frustrates Quartey out of the contest through the last five rounds, having figured out Quartey's best punch --- the jab --- in the middle stages. Benitez UD.

A curve ball...

Cassius Clay (1962) vs. Mike Tyson (1999)...

Clay survives a couple of knockdowns and some rocky moments early on, but battles back to outbox and frustrate Tyson until Tyson quits in around the 10th round.


Next up:
Jimmy McLarnin vs. Kostya Tszyu, jr. welterweights.

McLarnin via decision....


Club Fight Circuit- Jess Willard vs Mike White, 10 rounds

Mike White TKO 3.

It takes him a while to put the big Willard away, but
it does happen when the Ref steps in.

Rodrigo Valdez vs John Mugabi (peak for peak) 12 rounds. MW

Robinson wrote: Rodrigo Valdez vs John Mugabi (peak for peak) 12 rounds. MW

Valdez pounds Mugabi into an 8th round stoppage.

Valdez = bigger, quicker handed, better technique, more proven power and chin, and in general a better class of fighter.


Next up:
Harold Johnson vs. Tommy Loughran.

Johnson manages to get the nod after the 15 rounds of skillful boxing.

In the 10th Johnson traps the fleet footed Loughran on the ropes and
nearly drops him. Other than that it is a good exchange of jabs with
Johnson out landing and landing the more punishing blows.

All three Judges have Johnson up by at least 3 points come the final
tally.

Primo Carnera (1934) vs Michael Grant (1999) 12 rounds.

Robinson wrote:
Primo Carnera (1934) vs Michael Grant (1999) 12 rounds.

Carnera, used to being the big awkward lug in his fights, now finds himself up against a bigger, more awkward lug.

Grant wins by clear decision or possibly late TKO.


Grant then goes on to fight Nikolai Valuev.

My2Sense wrote:

Robinson wrote:
Primo Carnera (1934) vs Michael Grant (1999) 12 rounds.

Carnera, used to being the big awkward lug in his fights, now finds himself up against a bigger, more awkward lug.

Grant wins by clear decision or possibly late TKO.


Grant then goes on to fight Nikolai Valuev.

Grant would beat Valuev as well i think.

Outworks the Russian Giant en route to a 3-5 point type UD...116-113,117-112,116-112


Tommy Burns vs Victor Galindez at 175

15 Rounds.No 3 kd rule.Pre 60's style ref.

AngryGoon38 wrote: Tommy Burns vs Victor Galindez at 175

15 Rounds.No 3 kd rule.Pre 60's style ref.

Hmmmmm... I'll go with this scenario:

Burns uses his boxing skill and quick sneak right hand to good effect in the early rounds, but I think at some point Galindez turns it into "his" fight and dominates down the stretch to win a decision.


Next up:
Holyfield vs. Schmeling @190.

after 30 seconds of feeling each other out this bout explodes into a scene of pure macho carnage. bombs thrown by both guys and a high percentage connect. the german almost fells holyfield at the end of round 1 but he survives somehow. round 2 and the action is spectacular. everything in the centre of the ring and no quarter given by either man...until a holyfield combination left - right - left with a final right uppercut brings this all time slugfest to an end.

dick tiger v marvin hagler - supermiddle, both in tip top nick.

What a war.....its a 50/50 in my mind, in a 12 round scenario I see Tiger winning this, in a 15 round scenario I see Hagler winning it, but then again I'm being generous/biased....but if I were to make a call on who would win, it would be Dick Tiger, he could take more than Hagler could, who was rocked by Thomas Hearns who just moved from welterweight, Tiger would be champ at 175 and get bombed out by Bob Foster in his later career.

Floyd Patterson, vs, Gene Tunney (Cruiserweight) 12 rounds

HomicideHenry wrote:What a war.....its a 50/50 in my mind, in a 12 round scenario I see Tiger winning this, in a 15 round scenario I see Hagler winning it, but then again I'm being generous/biased....but if I were to make a call on who would win, it would be Dick Tiger, he could take more than Hagler could, who was rocked by Thomas Hearns who just moved from welterweight, Tiger would be champ at 175 and get bombed out by Bob Foster in his later career.

Floyd Patterson, vs, Gene Tunney (Cruiserweight) 12 rounds

I'm seeing a MD win for Patterson for some reason.
I think a young prime Floyd has the style,speed,and explosiveness to eck out a very narrow one against the sometimes tentative Tunney.

I would pick Tunney by SD in a 15 Rounder though.Probably by being a tiny bit stronger down a later based fight stretch scenario.

Next Up:

Herbie Hide vs Michael Dokes

Prime vs Prime

Battle of capably explosive and potentially elusive brawlers

15 Rounds(Pre 60's style ref,no 3 kd rule,10 point must system)

I definately see an entertaining balance of Brawlin,Sluggin and Chess Match Boxing in this one!

That is a great match-up there. Kinda hard for me to pick it, because I fear maybe I'll be too biased against Herbie Hide, cus Dokes was one of my all-time favorite heavyweights....so I think I'll pass on that prediction. In all fairness to Hide, I'll skip it.

I'll take Dokes on a late stoppage. Would be good to see

Hector Camacho, Sr. & Jose Luis Castillo at Lightweight over twelve rounds...