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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 12:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:03

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 10:55

You never answered my question...... Where do you rank AJ out of the heavyweights of the last seven years?

Don’t worry about it. Whatever I say will be dissected and disagreed with over several pages. He’s in the top five.

But you said........... Shall I pretend I’m impressed by him?

You're not impressed by a guy you rate in the top five over the last seven years?

Who do you rate the 5th best HW from 1968-1975? 80-85?

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:05

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 12:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:03
Don’t worry about it. Whatever I say will be dissected and disagreed with over several pages. He’s in the top five.

But you said........... Shall I pretend I’m impressed by him?

You're not impressed by a guy you rate in the top five over the last seven years?

Who do you rate the 5th best HW from 1968-1975? 80-85?

You talkin' to me?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 12:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:03

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 10:55

You never answered my question...... Where do you rank AJ out of the heavyweights of the last seven years?

Don’t worry about it. Whatever I say will be dissected and disagreed with over several pages. He’s in the top five.

But you said........... Shall I pretend I’m impressed by him?

You're not impressed by a guy you rate in the top five over the last seven years?

No. His fickle fans put me off from the word go. They’re all very, very quiet now. It’s embarrassing.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:39

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 12:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:03
Don’t worry about it. Whatever I say will be dissected and disagreed with over several pages. He’s in the top five.

But you said........... Shall I pretend I’m impressed by him?

You're not impressed by a guy you rate in the top five over the last seven years?

No. His fickle fans put me off from the word go. They’re all very, very quiet now. It’s embarrassing.

So you're not impressed with anyone outside your top four?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:42

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:39

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 12:43

But you said........... Shall I pretend I’m impressed by him?

You're not impressed by a guy you rate in the top five over the last seven years?

No. His fickle fans put me off from the word go. They’re all very, very quiet now. It’s embarrassing.

So you're not impressed with anyone outside your top four?

I’m impressed by fighters in nobody’s ratings…. Where are you going with this, Keith? It’s not a secret I don’t like AJ and no amount of questioning will change that or shame me!

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:39

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 12:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 11:03
Don’t worry about it. Whatever I say will be dissected and disagreed with over several pages. He’s in the top five.

But you said........... Shall I pretend I’m impressed by him?

You're not impressed by a guy you rate in the top five over the last seven years?

No. His fickle fans put me off from the word go. They’re all very, very quiet now. It’s embarrassing.

So it's mostly his fans you don't like.. Not AJ himself.

To be fair, Mickey's probably turned a few against Fury

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:50

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:42

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:39
No. His fickle fans put me off from the word go. They’re all very, very quiet now. It’s embarrassing.

So you're not impressed with anyone outside your top four?

I’m impressed by fighters in nobody’s ratings…. Where are you going with this, Keith? It’s not a secret I don’t like AJ and no amount of questioning will change that or shame me!

Well, you've said previously that you are NOT biased against AJ. Do you still maintain that?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 14:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:50

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:42

So you're not impressed with anyone outside your top four?

I’m impressed by fighters in nobody’s ratings…. Where are you going with this, Keith? It’s not a secret I don’t like AJ and no amount of questioning will change that or shame me!

Well, you've said previously that you are NOT biased against AJ. Do you still maintain that?

Yes. Good night Keith.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:08

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 14:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:50
I’m impressed by fighters in nobody’s ratings…. Where are you going with this, Keith? It’s not a secret I don’t like AJ and no amount of questioning will change that or shame me!

Well, you've said previously that you are NOT biased against AJ. Do you still maintain that?

Yes. Good night Keith.

It's not bed time.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:09

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:08

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 14:58

Well, you've said previously that you are NOT biased against AJ. Do you still maintain that?

Yes. Good night Keith.

It's not bed time.

It is for me, I’m away.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:37

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 13:05

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 12:43

But you said........... Shall I pretend I’m impressed by him?

You're not impressed by a guy you rate in the top five over the last seven years?

Who do you rate the 5th best HW from 1968-1975? 80-85?

You talkin' to me?

Just saying, usually after 4 or 5 top guys in an era, there's somewhat of a falloff.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:31

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:09

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:08
Yes. Good night Keith.

It's not bed time.

It is for me, I’m away.

Morning,

So you're saying that despite being an Olympic Champion, a two time 3 belt holding Heavyweight Champion of the World and being in your top 5 of the last seven years.... you still aren't impressed and you also don't think you're biased. Throw in the fact that pretty much every post you make about Joshua is negative and you'll forgive for thinking you're tell porkies about being biased.

“When I saw him in the Usyk [rematch], I thought, ‘What the heck is he doing?’ I’m laughing,” the American said on The DAZN Boxing Show.

When asked whether he thinks he could have coached Joshua to victory in either fight against Usyk, James added: “Yeah, because I train two left-hand fighters.”

“I really took this job because I feel like I can help him,” he continued. “Everybody feels like they can help him, it’s all about strategies.

“The initial things that you work on are things that are not even physical – you can’t even see it. It’s things that are really small, and you build from there. When you work on one thing in particular, everything blossoms behind that.

“[It’s about] spending time together, listening to him talk, and then filling those spaces that need to be filled.”

James, 51, also coaches world champions and compatriots Errol Spence Jr and Jermell Charlo.

Spence Jr has been training alongside Joshua, said James, who added: “They’re good, they talk. Errol asks him a couple of questions. When Errol is hitting the bag, working out, AJ is watching him. It’s like a mutual respect.

“That’s what most guys need to get to the next level or get that thing back that they had before. Even with Errol, he sees [Joshua] doing some things, and they both work off each other.”

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023, 08:59

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:31

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:09

It's not bed time.

It is for me, I’m away.

Morning,

So you're saying that despite being an Olympic Champion, a two time 3 belt holding Heavyweight Champion of the World and being in your top 5 of the last seven years.... you still aren't impressed and you also don't think you're biased. Throw in the fact that pretty much every post you make about Joshua is negative and you'll forgive for thinking you're tell porkies about being biased.

I’m back now… no worries, Keith.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023, 09:44

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑17 Feb 2023, 08:59

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2023, 15:31
It is for me, I’m away.

Morning,

So you're saying that despite being an Olympic Champion, a two time 3 belt holding Heavyweight Champion of the World and being in your top 5 of the last seven years.... you still aren't impressed and you also don't think you're biased. Throw in the fact that pretty much every post you make about Joshua is negative and you'll forgive for thinking you're tell porkies about being biased.

I’m back now… no worries, Keith.

So you're saying that despite being an Olympic Champion, a two time 3 belt holding Heavyweight Champion of the World and being in your top 5 of the last seven years.... you still aren't impressed and you also don't think you're biased. Throw in the fact that pretty much every post you make about Joshua is negative and you'll forgive for thinking you're tell porkies about being biased.

This fight is pointless.

The next time Joshua will be out after this (assuming he doesn't get KO'd) is around Nov Dec.

Thrilling stuff

Salita On Joshua-Franklin: "I Feel That Jermaine Has A Lot Of The Attributes Ruiz Has"

“I feel that Jermaine has a lot of the attributes Ruiz has,” Salita told BS.com. “He has a good chin, he comes forward, he cuts off the ring, has fast hands. He’s a combination puncher and has shown that he can function at the highest level thousands of miles away from home, when the crowd is against him, as he did with Dillian Whyte. He’s very hungry. He wants to change his life.”

“If you look at trajectory,” Salita said, “Jermaine has only gone up consistently, and Anthony Joshua, after the Ruiz fights, he’s gone a little bit up, then come back down. Joshua, whether it’s athletics, personal life, fame, trainers, etcetera, he hasn’t been able to pull it together at the highest level. He looked OK against Kubrat Pulev [in December 2020], but until he knocked him out [in the ninth round], he wasn’t as spectacular as we were expecting him to be. I believe Anthony Joshua is one of the greatest heavyweights of this generation. So, what I’m saying, I’m not in any way belittling his amazing accomplishments.

“But you could see he’s hesitant about getting hit and he is thinking twice about being aggressive. He changed some of that in the second Usyk fight, but he got caught a couple of times, where I saw that those doubts [resurfaced]. It’s up to Jermaine, obviously, to continue to build on his potential and to show up on the night of the fight, April 1st.”

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 11:31 Salita On Joshua-Franklin: "I Feel That Jermaine Has A Lot Of The Attributes Ruiz Has"

Yeah, he's about the same fat.

Well 3 people have voted for Franklin to win. Was it the Fury worshippers?

The Gratest wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 13:41 Well 3 people have voted for Franklin to win. Was it the Fury worshippers?

Maybe they’ve see AJ box in the last five years?

I suppose Joshua is top 5 of the last 7 years, although perhaps that’s still a bit tight and untested. It sounds harsh but I have a feeling he’s outside the top 50 heavyweights of all time on the basis of looking quite green and vulnerable at times. You kind of think quite a few heavyweights would have done to him what Lennox Lewis did to Michael Grant.

How is AJ not tested?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 15:41 How is AJ not tested?

It’s not worth labouring the point, but obviously he has never fought Fury and Wilder. Perhaps through no fault of his own as Fury is being very risk adverse. But if you look at Joshua’s record there are a lot of names, but often they were a little past it or probably not up to much to begin with. Not many significant heavyweights before got such an easy run.

polecateddy wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 15:47

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑20 Feb 2023, 15:41 How is AJ not tested?

It’s not worth labouring the point, but obviously he has never fought Fury and Wilder. Perhaps through no fault of his own as Fury is being very risk adverse. But if you look at Joshua’s record there are a lot of names, but often they were a little past it or probably not up to much to begin with. Not many significant heavyweights before got such an easy run.

Who is a tested heavyweight over the past 7 years in your eyes?