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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:34
by kikibalt
Tony Baltazar

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Tony was asleep and then the phone rang.... :box:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:37
by Randyman
I'll catch hell for it, but in my opinion, there was no long count. Dempsey didn't go to a neutral corner. The ref was right.
And so the great debate continues. Honestly Ray, I think most people understand that but it's a loyalty to Dempsey, even after all these years, and one of the best "What if" that boxing has ever produced. If the fight ended when the bell sounded, what fun would that be?

Randy

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:39
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Tony Baltazar

Image
Tony was asleep and then the phone rang.... :box:
Tony has the same problem with his hair that I do when I wake up. Great photo Frank!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:41
by Randyman
Expug wrote:Ray, your right. Dempsey hovered over him and shouldnt have.
However , whats important in the context of boxing history is the fact its a great story.
Could Tunney get up or couldnt he?
Who knows.The important thing about it is it keeps folks talking about it. Arguing about it.Its historical.
100 years from now they will still be talkin about it.
Does anyone remember who won the NBA title three years ago?
Great minds think alike!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:41
by Seamus
Just watch how quick and elusive Tunney becomes as soon as the fight is back on. Not the sign of a guy who was finished and saved by the ref.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 22:43
by kikibalt
Randyman wrote:Tony has the same problem with his hair that I do when I wake up. Great photo Frank!

Thanks Randy....

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:05
by Randyman
kikibalt wrote:Image
Four generation of Baltazar's
L-to-R..Rocky, Frankie, me and my dad Aurelio
Frank, I posted this one on the website.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:05
by Expug
Randyman wrote:
Expug wrote:Ray, your right. Dempsey hovered over him and shouldnt have.
However , whats important in the context of boxing history is the fact its a great story.
Could Tunney get up or couldnt he?
Who knows.The important thing about it is it keeps folks talking about it. Arguing about it.Its historical.
100 years from now they will still be talkin about it.
Does anyone remember who won the NBA title three years ago?
Great minds think alike!
Indeed.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:06
by kikibalt
John L. Sullivan

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"John L."

By Diego

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:07
by kikibalt
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Four generation of Baltazar's
L-to-R..Rocky, Frankie, me and my dad Aurelio
Frank, I posted this one on the website.

Thanks Randy..... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:08
by Expug
kikibalt wrote:John L. Sullivan

Image
"John L."

By Diego
Beautiful work Rog.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:12
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:Tony Baltazar

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Tony was asleep and then the phone rang.... :box:
Frank, that caption reminds me of a story about Floyd Patterson. Floyd, Gene Fullmer and Jose Torres were having lunch at Floyd's home. Not far away, a grandfather clock struck one. "Bong!" After a few seconds, Floyd broke the silence by saying, "If someone else will admit they heard that, I will, too."

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:14
by raylawpc
Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:John L. Sullivan

Image
"John L."

By Diego
Beautiful work Rog.
Diego, that truly is a wonderful portrait of the Great John L. I would like to get a print to hang on the wall in my study. Seriously!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:16
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Tony Baltazar

Image
Tony was asleep and then the phone rang.... :box:
Frank, that caption reminds me of a story about Floyd Patterson. Floyd, Gene Fullmer and Jose Torres were having lunch at Floyd's home. Not far away, a grandfather clock struck one. "Bong!" After a few seconds, Floyd broke the silence by saying, "If someone else will admit they heard that, I will, too."

Tom,

that was a great quote from Floyd Patterson..

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:22
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:John L. Sullivan

Image
"John L."

By Diego
Beautiful work Rog.
Diego, that truly is a wonderful portrait of the Great John L. I would like to get a print to hang on the wall in my study. Seriously!
Diego can put out some great portraits, he did a great one on Frankie and Tony that sits on my fireplace mantel... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:31
by raylawpc
kikibalt wrote:
Diego can put out some great portraits, he did a great one on Frankie and Tony that sits on my fireplace mantel... :TU:
Do you have a scan you can post Frank? I'd like to see it!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 27 Aug 2008, 23:48
by dagosd2000
raylawpc wrote:
Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:John L. Sullivan

Image
"John L."

By Diego
Beautiful work Rog.
Diego, that truly is a wonderful portrait of the Great John L. I would like to get a print to hang on the wall in my study. Seriously!
Tom
I'll email you the photo.I haven't been able to put together prints. I also have Big Jeff.. PM me your email. I don't know if that is what you want,but sooner or later I have to put something together with the prints. I've been getting a lot of requests lately. All my inspiration is with the painting,not the organizational end.

Re: Re:

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 00:53
by Bobbin & Weavin
bennie wrote:
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Jimmy Lennon Sr., Frankie Baltazar, John Martinez, Johnnie Flores & Frank Baltazar, @ the Olympic Aud. 1976
Randy
This is a great shot. Frankie looks sooooo laid back and Frank Jnr is enjoying the intro from the great Jimmy Lennon. I watched Jimmy Lennon Jnr in action in Nottingham in May when Tim Bradley shocked Junior Witter. He also points like this. One of the fighters in action, a Syrian living in Yorskhire, got the Lennon treatment. "In the red corner, from Dewsbury by way of Syria..."
The fighter also enjoyed it.
Frank,
You do look laid back in this picture but what were you feeling; were you one who handled the big moments laid back or was it like some of the great athletes and preformers leaving their dinner in the restroom before the event. After all you were not "just" this fighters manager you were also his father and married to his mother so there was a lot more riding on it then the avarage fighter/manager relationship. Lastly was there a different level of emotion for different level opponants?
Thanks,
Bobbin & Weavin

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 03:27
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Clark Gable

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"Gable"

By Diego
Nice, Rog. I remember reading that Gable died of a heart attack just a few days after shooting a film with Marilyn Monroe.
I'm sure her sexy presence did him no good at all.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 03:41
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Image

Jack Dempsey

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Jack has all the features of a fighter. Look at that jaw! Nothing would really dent that, save a sledgehammer.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 03:49
by bennie
raylawpc wrote:Yes, those guys are both Norwegian. Had Tangstad been Swedish, he would have defeated Douglas. :wink: :wink:
Tangstad got clattered by big Swede Anders Eklund. It earned Eklund the dubious honour of a fight with Bruno.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 07:46
by kikibalt
raylawpc wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Diego can put out some great portraits, he did a great one on Frankie and Tony that sits on my fireplace mantel... :TU:
Do you have a scan you can post Frank? I'd like to see it!
Diego's great work

Image
Tony and Frankie Baltazar

Tom, diego presented this portrait to me in April at the "Father and Son" luncheon... :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 08:00
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Clark Gable

Image
"Gable"

By Diego
Nice, Rog. I remember reading that Gable died of a heart attack just a few days after shooting a film with Marilyn Monroe.
I'm sure her sexy presence did him no good at all.
Marilyn Monroe

Image
"Monroe"

By Diego

Re: Re:

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 08:13
by kikibalt
Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Image
Jimmy Lennon Sr., Frankie Baltazar, John Martinez, Johnnie Flores & Frank Baltazar, @ the Olympic Aud. 1976

Frank,
You do look laid back in this picture but what were you feeling; were you one who handled the big moments laid back or was it like some of the great athletes and preformers leaving their dinner in the restroom before the event. After all you were not "just" this fighters manager you were also his father and married to his mother so there was a lot more riding on it then the avarage fighter/manager relationship. Lastly was there a different level of emotion for different level opponants?
Thanks,
Bobbin & Weavin
Bruce,

I might look laid back, but I was nervous as hell, I was for all of Frankie, Tony and Bobby's fights,
it was so bad I couldn't eat the day of the fight at all, once the fight was over I would eat and have a couple of beers.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 28 Aug 2008, 08:46
by kikibalt
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One is Fidel Labarba, but which one? and who is the other guy?