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dbflex wrote:

bennie wrote:

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:Surely your beef should be with his employers then, not him?

His employers don't have the gall, or the knowledge, to post. A carved-in-stone question at an interview is "Is this a new post or...."
I've turned down good jobs when an employer has slagged off the last employee or obviously skipped round the question. It still works that way for those of a certain generation. I like to label it decency.

Just for the record Bennie, when I was interviewed originally (when I got to the final two and Tris beat me to the job), Tony was still at BN. Secondly, when I was asked if I wanted to join the team 3 months later, I had no idea Tony was leaving. Obviously when I started, he wasn't here. All this is just for the record however – I don't think I would have turned the job down if I had known the 'facts' (which, I must say, are still a little cloudy for me). It's a dream job for a lifelong boxing fan and prospective journo; if Tony was MY brother I'd have turned it down. What you have to realise is (well, you don't HAVE to, but I'd like you to) that I have never met Tony and have no fixed opinion on him, other than the fact I enjoyed his writing when I was a BN reader. Your bile is misdirected; I didn't sack him, have never criticised him and am just doing my best in a job and industry which I love. But I don't expect this post to make any difference to you and it's sad because I reckon we would have got on if we'd worked here at the same time.

I was a staffer there in 1983, when you really were a 'boy'. Nick Bond (a staffer) has clearly told you the facts. It had everything to do with Tony's brilliance and sheer jealousy on the part of Claude Abrams. Don't get too good at your job son and threaten Abrams' mediocrity.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Deserter wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:bennie - f*ck all these on here - you keep it up, old son. You're the Vince Cable to all these Alastair Darlings.

Ian, with the greatest respect I think you're completely missing the point here. I suspect I'm not alone in having issues with the way the title has been run (and you've showcased a perfect example of that in your post), but where I and many others feel Bennie has been completely out-of-order is in his constant digs at a young journo who is learning his trade and is displaying the sort of passion and commitment that should be celebrated rather than berated.
If Bennie was posting constructive critiques on BN such as the one you've made, I'd welcome it wholeheartedly, but I've got no time for the bitter rantings that he opts for instead. I would have thought you, with your teaching background, would share the general distaste with his put-downs of a young talent, purely because he has an issue with the BN management team.

Sorry mate, no offence intended - 'twas a bit tongue in cheek...should have qualified it with a 8)

Apologies from my end fella - went straight over my head

Just rumour and conjecture. I don't ask because it happened before I started and it's really none of my business. For all I know your version could be the truth but I doubt it, given that I know one of the parties and they do not appear to me to be the jealous type. There is also the fact that your view may be ever so slightly partisan. My point is don't hate the journalist just because you hate the magazine.

I can remember when I wrote freelance for Boxing Snooze, Deserter was always slagging it off as 'print s hit' - an out-of-touch dinosaur, destined to die out in a few years. Now that they have a crappy website he can't speak highly enough of the rag and its future. What is it about you and the crappy internet?
Geez, man, you live in Dubai. Get out there and play some golf.

bennie wrote: Geez, man, you live in Dubai. Get out there and play some golf.

Or have sexual intercourse on the beach.

Actually, best give that one a miss. 8)

dbflex wrote:Just rumour and conjecture. I don't ask because it happened before I started and it's really none of my business. For all I know your version could be the truth but I doubt it, given that I know one of the parties and they do not appear to me to be the jealous type. There is also the fact that your view may be ever so slightly partisan. My point is don't hate the journalist just because you hate the magazine.

Journalist! Spare me, hack.

this is great.

bennie wrote:

dbflex wrote:Just rumour and conjecture. I don't ask because it happened before I started and it's really none of my business. For all I know your version could be the truth but I doubt it, given that I know one of the parties and they do not appear to me to be the jealous type. There is also the fact that your view may be ever so slightly partisan. My point is don't hate the journalist just because you hate the magazine.

Journalist! Spare me, hack.

10-8 round to Connolly. But a point off for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Can dbflex stick to his game plan and rise above this brutal onslaught, skipping his way to a moral victory? Or will he be tempted into the trenches where bennie does his best work?

This is miles better than anything Sky has offered on Friday night for some considerable time.

ian its one of those thats too enjoyable and the action is too thick and fast for me to bother scoring

i will sky+ this and score it at my leisure, when the dust has settled and I can do the combat justice.

Where is Abrams? I know he's posting and copying every post as the civil servant he is but my dough is safely tucked away. Maybe he just can't read. He certainly cannot write.
Bring back Buncey and get rid of the forgettable.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

bennie wrote:

dbflex wrote:Just rumour and conjecture. I don't ask because it happened before I started and it's really none of my business. For all I know your version could be the truth but I doubt it, given that I know one of the parties and they do not appear to me to be the jealous type. There is also the fact that your view may be ever so slightly partisan. My point is don't hate the journalist just because you hate the magazine.

Journalist! Spare me, hack.

10-8 round to Connolly. But a point off for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Can dbflex stick to his game plan and rise above this brutal onslaught, skipping his way to a moral victory? Or will he be tempted into the trenches where bennie does his best work?

This is miles better than anything Sky has offered on Friday night for some considerable time.

bennie wrote:I can remember when I wrote freelance for Boxing Snooze, Deserter was always slagging it off as 'print s hit' - an out-of-touch dinosaur, destined to die out in a few years. Now that they have a crappy website he can't speak highly enough of the rag and its future. What is it about you and the crappy internet?
Geez, man, you live in Dubai. Get out there and play some golf.

Look back at my posts and you'll see complete consistency in my position:

I have criticised the editor on numerous occasions for his failure on criticial issues, such as the one outlined in this thread. In fact, I cancelled my annual subscription over one of these issues and have never renewed it.
I have also questioned the relevance of some of BN's content in the internet age and have simply identified clear trends in the publishing industry that suggest that all print publications have to evolve or die - and if you think I'm exaggerating this, check out http://www.magazinedeathpool.com and absorb stats such as the fact that 525 magazines folded in North America in 2008.

Nowhere on this thread or anywhere else have I praised either Boxing News or its web offering, I have simply defended what I and others perceive to be an ongoing campaign against an individual who has done nothing to merit some of the broadsides that have been aimed in his direction.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you post on boxing matters I love to read what you've got to say - it's invariably insightful and thought-provoking. When you post on BN matters, I find the opposite, and, ironically, given one of your previous posts, I find them lacking in decency.
In summary, I'm defending the man, not the magazine.
Oh, and it's too hot to play golf at the moment

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

bennie wrote:

dbflex wrote:Just rumour and conjecture. I don't ask because it happened before I started and it's really none of my business. For all I know your version could be the truth but I doubt it, given that I know one of the parties and they do not appear to me to be the jealous type. There is also the fact that your view may be ever so slightly partisan. My point is don't hate the journalist just because you hate the magazine.

Journalist! Spare me, hack.

10-8 round to Connolly. But a point off for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Can dbflex stick to his game plan and rise above this brutal onslaught, skipping his way to a moral victory? Or will he be tempted into the trenches where bennie does his best work?

This is miles better than anything Sky has offered on Friday night for some considerable time.

The Commonwealth have sanctioned it. Despite DbFlex's palour and the fact boxrec have him listed as 0-0-0 (0ko), boxing insiders say in truth he's 34-1-1 but mainly on the white-hot Sudanese circuit where he dropped a points decision in his only 10 rounder to Lovelulu Updiwalla

I'm 0-0-0 (I lied that I boxed amateur a few years ago but I was on a different planet then but, in my pathetic defence, I did get an amateur boxing licence). Wow, a 50-50, Bennie the Bullshitter vs dbFlex.
Don't you just hate people who use their middle initials.

bennie wrote:I'm 0-0-0 (I lied that I boxed amateur a few years ago but I was on a different planet then but, in my pathetic defence, I did get an amateur boxing licence). Wow, a 50-50, Bennie the Bullshitter vs dbFlex.
Don't you just hate people who use their middle initials.

Almost as much as people who use pseudonyms to deflect attention from the clear agenda the use of their real names would immediately signify. I hear Tony was a handy fighter though; maybe he was just better at everything?

dbflex wrote:

bennie wrote:I'm 0-0-0 (I lied that I boxed amateur a few years ago but I was on a different planet then but, in my pathetic defence, I did get an amateur boxing licence). Wow, a 50-50, Bennie the Bullshitter vs dbFlex.
Don't you just hate people who use their middle initials.

Almost as much as people who use pseudonyms to deflect attention from the clear agenda the use of their real names would immediately signify. I hear Tony was a handy fighter though; maybe he was just better at everything?

Definitely. Bennie is after the dog (used on here before I got back into boxing as a proper journalist) and I stayed with it because I like the dog. I'm Steven Robert Connolly. Just forget the Robert.

bennie wrote:

dbflex wrote:

bennie wrote:I'm 0-0-0 (I lied that I boxed amateur a few years ago but I was on a different planet then but, in my pathetic defence, I did get an amateur boxing licence). Wow, a 50-50, Bennie the Bullshitter vs dbFlex.
Don't you just hate people who use their middle initials.

Almost as much as people who use pseudonyms to deflect attention from the clear agenda the use of their real names would immediately signify. I hear Tony was a handy fighter though; maybe he was just better at everything?

Definitely. Bennie is after the dog (used on here before I got back into boxing as a proper journalist) and I stayed with it because I like the dog. I'm Steven Robert Connolly. Just forget the Robert.

'I'm Stephen Robert Connolly and I'm a BN Hater'. That's the first step... admitting you have a problem. Only 11 steps left.

Deserter wrote:

bennie wrote:I can remember when I wrote freelance for Boxing Snooze, Deserter was always slagging it off as 'print s hit' - an out-of-touch dinosaur, destined to die out in a few years. Now that they have a crappy website he can't speak highly enough of the rag and its future. What is it about you and the crappy internet?
Geez, man, you live in Dubai. Get out there and play some golf.

Look back at my posts and you'll see complete consistency in my position:

I have criticised the editor on numerous occasions for his failure on criticial issues, such as the one outlined in this thread. In fact, I cancelled my annual subscription over one of these issues and have never renewed it.
I have also questioned the relevance of some of BN's content in the internet age and have simply identified clear trends in the publishing industry that suggest that all print publications have to evolve or die - and if you think I'm exaggerating this, check out http://www.magazinedeathpool.com and absorb stats such as the fact that 525 magazines folded in North America in 2008.

Nowhere on this thread or anywhere else have I praised either Boxing News or its web offering, I have simply defended what I and others perceive to be an ongoing campaign against an individual who has done nothing to merit some of the broadsides that have been aimed in his direction.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you post on boxing matters I love to read what you've got to say - it's invariably insightful and thought-provoking. When you post on BN matters, I find the opposite, and, ironically, given one of your previous posts, I find them lacking in decency.
In summary, I'm defending the man, not the magazine.
Oh, and it's too hot to play golf at the moment

I can even remember you having a strop with Abrams because he didn't answer an email of yours. Well, he's the main man in there (God help literacy!) so you're defending him too, then. That is what I call inconsistent.

Ha, ha, straying into the hate yourself. By the way, it's STEVEN. Now I know that you and Abrams struggle with reading.

bennie wrote:Ha, ha, straying into the hate yourself. By the way, it's STEVEN. Now I know that you and Abrams struggle with reading.

No hate from me. I've never met you, though I've read some of your stuff. I feel sorry for you, if anything; it can't be nice being so bitter all the time. What I don't understand is why if Tony has accepted whatever happened with dignity (he doesn't appear to post), why can't you? I'm sure he's more than capable of fighting his own battles if he wants to. Isn't life too short for this vendetta?

Keep it up lads

banjo wrote:

Keep it up lads

Dance, monkey boys, dance?

Unfortunately I will have to bow out for a spell (just as I was taking over) as outside of the office, my only internet connection is via my phone and out in Cambridgeshire (where I live) that's not good. So for the next 16 hours or so Bennie is free to take pot-shots at an opponent who is not around to defence themselves. Some would say that's his speciality, but not me.

bennie wrote:

Deserter wrote:

bennie wrote:I can remember when I wrote freelance for Boxing Snooze, Deserter was always slagging it off as 'print s hit' - an out-of-touch dinosaur, destined to die out in a few years. Now that they have a crappy website he can't speak highly enough of the rag and its future. What is it about you and the crappy internet?
Geez, man, you live in Dubai. Get out there and play some golf.

Look back at my posts and you'll see complete consistency in my position:

I have criticised the editor on numerous occasions for his failure on criticial issues, such as the one outlined in this thread. In fact, I cancelled my annual subscription over one of these issues and have never renewed it.
I have also questioned the relevance of some of BN's content in the internet age and have simply identified clear trends in the publishing industry that suggest that all print publications have to evolve or die - and if you think I'm exaggerating this, check out http://www.magazinedeathpool.com and absorb stats such as the fact that 525 magazines folded in North America in 2008.

Nowhere on this thread or anywhere else have I praised either Boxing News or its web offering, I have simply defended what I and others perceive to be an ongoing campaign against an individual who has done nothing to merit some of the broadsides that have been aimed in his direction.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when you post on boxing matters I love to read what you've got to say - it's invariably insightful and thought-provoking. When you post on BN matters, I find the opposite, and, ironically, given one of your previous posts, I find them lacking in decency.
In summary, I'm defending the man, not the magazine.
Oh, and it's too hot to play golf at the moment

I can even remember you having a strop with Abrams because he didn't answer an email of yours. Well, he's the main man in there (God help literacy!) so you're defending him too, then. That is what I call inconsistent.

Now I'm just perplexed, as it was clear that I was defending Danny Flexen, not Claude Abrams.

dbflex wrote:

banjo wrote:

Keep it up lads

Dance, monkey boys, dance?

Unfortunately I will have to bow out for a spell (just as I was taking over) as outside of the office, my only internet connection is via my phone and out in Cambridgeshire (where I live) that's not good. So for the next 16 hours or so Bennie is free to take pot-shots at an opponent who is not around to defence themselves. Some would say that's his speciality, but not me.

I'm as bored as you are with it.


Today.

I am with young Mr Flexen on this (BTW Danny do you get ID'd in pubs?? ).

Ask any boxing nut (myself included) 'do you want to do for a living what you love' then they would accept.

You have to look after yourself in this life.

For the record I think Flexen's articles, writing is very, very good and he is a good addition to an already good team.

People are right - we should encourage our young (seriously he looks about 12 lol) not slag it off, or take the 'old guard' attitude.

Saw something similar from Buncey a while ago in BM about 'paying your dues' - its all a little bit unneccessary