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SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:37
by Quixall
I feel that he should acknowldege that he lost the fight and state that he himself did'nt agree with the referees decision and then make moves to give John McDermott a re-match, in neutral territory, with Richie Davies as the referee, where the belt can be won, fair and square !!
That way, Tyson will still have the win on his record, but will go someway to ammending what has happenned and acknowledge that whilst he can't change the referee's decision, he can do the sporting thing and recognise, publically, that in his opinion, he lost the fight and does'nt deserve, on this occasion, to hold the English heavyweight belt.
It would also, shame O'Connor and those behind his decision, put Tyson in a better light and be good for boxing, which after tonight's shambles, has taken a serious dive in it's already shaky reputaion.
What do you guys think ?
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:39
by Coco
Of course not, this is boxing and the ref says he lost.
As a gesture the most he should do is give him a rematch
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:41
by Quixall
Coco wrote:Of course not, this is boxing and the ref says he lost.
As a gesture the most he should do is give him a rematch
The referee has lost all moral authority and respect......
Hence a higher and more principled stance has to be taken !!
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:42
by Maelstrom
For this to happen, Tyson and the people around him would have to:
1) Be honest
2) Have integrity
3) Not be caught up in their own hype
4) Be able to be objective about the fight/result
Let us see what happens.
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:42
by gasman
No, there have been worse decisions than this, let's not slaughter Fury, it was the ref who called it.
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:43
by BARNEYKX
The English heavyweight title,is it not the British title??
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:46
by Coco
Should Sexton have given the belt back to Rogan?
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:47
by terrez
Yes it would be very decent for Tyson to admit he did not deserve it. But it is not going to happen....
I would like the BBB of C to in introduce some kind of appeal system for title fights.
I feel sad for English boxing tonight as it was so clear that this decision was suspect and that so many people in such a short period of time have voiced their views and created posts all disagreeing with this verdict...
Tut tut
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:48
by Quixall
BARNEYKX wrote:The English heavyweight title,is it not the British title??
It was for the English title
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:51
by terrez
Coco wrote:Should Sexton have given the belt back to Rogan?
Different circumstances as it did not end on points and Sexton WAS up on points. Sexton got caught yes but it was not made definative and had the points been tallied, Sexton would have won...
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:54
by Quixall
Coco wrote:Should Sexton have given the belt back to Rogan?
No, becasue that fight was more equal, up untill the worsening of Rogan's horrendous cut.....
It was contraversial, in terms of the timing of the stoppge, but the fight had been quite equal
In this fight, which most people had for McDermott by three or four rounds, the referee scored it by six rounds to Fury.
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:56
by BigEars
terrez wrote:Coco wrote:Should Sexton have given the belt back to Rogan?
Different circumstances as it did not end on points and Sexton WAS up on points. Sexton got caught yes but it was not made definative and had the points been tallied, Sexton would have won...
What score did the judges have ?
Re: SHOULD - TYSON FURY GIVE THE BELT BACK AS A GESTURE ??
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:58
by terrez
BigEars wrote:terrez wrote:Coco wrote:Should Sexton have given the belt back to Rogan?
Different circumstances as it did not end on points and Sexton WAS up on points. Sexton got caught yes but it was not made definative and had the points been tallied, Sexton would have won...
What score did the judges have ?
6 rounds to 1 at the start of the 8th is the consensus.... This is a different topic to John vs Tyson, lets not stray to far..
Re: Fury V McDermott, disgusting! (Super-Merged)
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 19:59
by leforge
I thought John would win before voted so I am disgusted by the result! Fury might lost clearly He nowhere neare European or world level yet! Was Fury big Mick chasing a t v deal pushed too early?
Re: Fury V McDermott, disgusting! (Super-Merged)
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:02
by sweetscience
who the feck has voted for tyson winning the fight on the poll..... is terry a member of boxrec now?
i dont even think his dad thinks he won
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:09
by leforge
Agree with you John won the fight but Fury could get too European level in few years"
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:15
by Coco
mrrocco wrote:I know there's a thread ut I thought it might be useful to have a thread a couple of hours after the fight.....so here are my thoughts in points!
1. McDermott was unusually up for the fight and deserved to win - a terrible decision
2. Fury has a good chin and balls - he was knackered from round 3
3. Fury does not punch that hard
4. Fury bravely took a risk early in his career and has to be respected for that
5. Fury can learn and come back, but he's not the prospect Hennessy or his Dad would assume
6. Give Fury 4 years and a good trainer and he can make an impact
Agree with most of what you say but McDermott is not a puncher and Fury was often wide open and would have been knocked out by someone with Danny Williams power.
The most he will ever do is make an impact at domestic level.
Hennessy has proved again he makes poor matches, perhaps he just over estimates his fighters.
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:29
by leforge
Fury never got half the rounds lol! I am sorry but some people thought Fury was the net best thing many on yhios forum got caught up in the press machine! Shame on you!
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:35
by gasman
Abiding afterthought is Hennessey's panic-stricken face screaming at Fury in the last round, like a man who was watching his money going down the drain...
And, Maloney's interview. He was bang on the money.
But, final lingering thought is ambushed by the last words uttered on tonights programme by Johnny Nelson on the Fury-McDermott fight, "overall it was good" he said. What an analyst, but he is a Sky stalwart, never fails to find the 'positives'.
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:52
by exittored
Ok guys....i'm a massive Fury Fan and looking through those eyes i may have slightly over-estimated my scoring to him.
After just watching the fight a 2nd time in a more analytical view i scored it 5-5 rds each so a Draw but probably would have given it to Macdermott if i had to choose a winner.
My Rds were Mac winning 1,2,4,7,8 and Fury winning 3,5,6,9,10.
I think an immediate Re-match is needed maybe in December.
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:54
by neil hibbert
exittored wrote:Ok guys....i'm a massive Fury Fan and looking through those eyes i may have slightly over-estimated my scoring to him.
After just watching the fight a 2nd time in a more analytical view i scored it 5-5 rds each so a Draw but probably would have given it to Macdermott if i had to choose a winner.
My Rds were Mac winning 1,2,4,7,8 and Fury winning 3,5,6,9,10.
I think an immediate Re-match is needed maybe in December.
rose tinted glasses there me thinks
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 20:59
by warmachine
the decision was bollocks. I saw it live without biased commentary and john won that fight
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 21:09
by dkos
My afterthought - hold Fury back for the next couple of fights before throwing him in with a top domestic fighter again.
And yes, it was a robbery.
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 21:10
by REAL_DEAL
neil hibbert wrote:exittored wrote:Ok guys....i'm a massive Fury Fan and looking through those eyes i may have slightly over-estimated my scoring to him.
After just watching the fight a 2nd time in a more analytical view i scored it 5-5 rds each so a Draw but probably would have given it to Macdermott if i had to choose a winner.
My Rds were Mac winning 1,2,4,7,8 and Fury winning 3,5,6,9,10.
I think an immediate Re-match is needed maybe in December.
rose tinted glasses there me thinks
that was due to me wearing a pink shirt. i will have a look at the fight after i get back.
Re: Fury - McDermott afterthoughts
Posted: 11 Sep 2009, 21:13
by exittored
neil hibbert wrote:exittored wrote:Ok guys....i'm a massive Fury Fan and looking through those eyes i may have slightly over-estimated my scoring to him.
After just watching the fight a 2nd time in a more analytical view i scored it 5-5 rds each so a Draw but probably would have given it to Macdermott if i had to choose a winner.
My Rds were Mac winning 1,2,4,7,8 and Fury winning 3,5,6,9,10.
I think an immediate Re-match is needed maybe in December.
rose tinted glasses there me thinks
Yes maybe but i tried to see the fight more fairly the 2nd time around.
Actually i dont think a loss would have done Fury any harm at this stage of his career as i think it would have done him more good in the longterm.
I was waiting to see how Macdermott did tonite before making my PrizeFighter prediction and my opinion of Danny Williams(one of my fave fighters) has changed in that it wasnt such a bad performance after all to go 24 rds with Macdermott and maybe he has more left in the tank than i thought so i may just go for Danny now.