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bengulnaci1 wrote:At last, a sensible answer.

Many boxing people know where to place Ali in the history books, the majority would look at his achievements favourably. By that, I do not mean 'The Greatest' - Are they all 'polluted' by this 'Religion of Ali'?

So you and George Benton did not rate Ali. That's fine and dandy.

Eddie Futch did, Cus D'Amato did, for example.

By that logic it must mean that you know more about boxing than they ever did, as you post here too, correct?

Horses for course, my friend.

When did you talk to Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato?

LOL

granberry wrote:

bengulnaci1 wrote:At last, a sensible answer.

Many boxing people know where to place Ali in the history books, the majority would look at his achievements favourably. By that, I do not mean 'The Greatest' - Are they all 'polluted' by this 'Religion of Ali'?

So you and George Benton did not rate Ali. That's fine and dandy.

Eddie Futch did, Cus D'Amato did, for example.

By that logic it must mean that you know more about boxing than they ever did, as you post here too, correct?

Horses for course, my friend.

When did you talk to Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato?

LOL

Mike Tyson talked to Cus D'Amato and talked to him a lot.Mike Tyson was recently on Oprah and Oprah asked him if he could have beat Muhammad Ali. He paused for a moment, and said "Cus said Ali was the best fighter he ever saw and I can't contradict my mentor."

Gil Clancy also said he was a great fighter as did former light heavywight champ and author, Jose Torres. Many of his opponents- Foreman, Patterson, Norton, Bonavena,Folley, etcetera said he was a great ighter.

Allow me to step in and pick up granberry's lines, just in case he is delayed in the dressing room. I will do this in a poetic style if you don't mind

Your not answering the question!!!

WHEN DID YOU TALK TO CUS or GIL?

You can't answer because YOU NEVER HAVE and YOU NEVER WILL!!

I'm bored

Archie Moore on Muhammad Ali:

"People ask me now. If I fought Clay when I was young would the outcome have been different? I don't think so. One never knows for sure but I told you before. Ali would have beaten Joe Louis four times out of five. And I was a pretty good light heavyweight and Joe Louis would have beaten me."

Zora Folley on Muhhamad Ali:

"This guy (Ali) had a style all his own. It's far ahead of any fighter today. How could Dempsey, Tunney, or any of them keep up? Louis wouldn't have a chance. He was too slow. Marciano couldn't get him and he would never get away from Ali's jab... He's smart the trickiest fighrer I have ever seen. He's had twenty nine fights and acts like he had one hundred. He could write he book on boxing, and anyone that fights him should be made to read it."

Ken Norton on Muhammad Ali:

Frank: In your book you say Ali is the best ever. Do you believe that?

Norton: As far as I’ve been around, yes.

Frank: Is Ali the best fighter you ever fought?

Norton: Yes.

Former light heavyweight champion and author Jose Torres:

"You can't explain Ali in a conventional way because he consistently did the wrong thing in the ring. He didn't bend down. He didn't go to the body. He punched going backwards. He held his hands too low. He pulled straight back from punches. He didn't even throw combinations; he threw punches in flurries And then he would win for two reasons-speed and magic."

Former Olympic Middleweight Gold Medalist and Heavyweight Champion-Floyd Patterson

"...All I know is anybody that moved like Clay is going to give his opponent a lot of problems."

Ali's legacy
Muhammad Ali defeated every top heavyweight in his era, which has been called the golden age of heavyweight boxing. Ali was named "Fighter of the Year" by Ring Magazine more times than any other fighter, and was involved in more Ring Magazine "Fight of the Year" bouts than any other fighter. He is an inductee into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and holds wins over seven other Hall of Fame inductees. He is also one of only three boxers to be named "Sportsman of the Year" by Sports Illustrated.


In 1993, the Associated Press reported that Ali was tied with Babe Ruth as the most recognized athletes, out of over 800 dead or alive athletes, in America. The study, conducted by Nye Lavalle's Sports Marketing Group, found that over 97% of Americans, over 12-years of age, identified both Ali and Ruth.

Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

ThatOne wrote:Ali's legacy
Muhammad Ali defeated every top heavyweight in his era, which has been called the golden age of heavyweight boxing. Ali was named "Fighter of the Year" by Ring Magazine more times than any other fighter, and was involved in more Ring Magazine "Fight of the Year" bouts than any other fighter. He is an inductee into the International Boxing Hall of Fame and holds wins over seven other Hall of Fame inductees. He is also one of only three boxers to be named "Sportsman of the Year" by Sports Illustrated.


In 1993, the Associated Press reported that Ali was tied with Babe Ruth as the most recognized athletes, out of over 800 dead or alive athletes, in America. The study, conducted by Nye Lavalle's Sports Marketing Group, found that over 97% of Americans, over 12-years of age, identified both Ali and Ruth.

Thatone is a shill for Ali.

Just as I said.

Keep proving it---over and over and over.

LOL

Granberry, how is citing sources deemed to be reliable "shilling" ?

The fact you have to resort to puerile, hackneyed, ad hominem attacks shows my intellectual mastery of you.

I like robust repartee. It's a shame you can't give it to me.

ThatOne wrote:
Ken Norton on Muhammad Ali:

Frank: In your book you say Ali is the best ever. Do you believe that?

Norton: As far as I’ve been around, yes.

Frank: Is Ali the best fighter you ever fought?

Norton: Yes.

Ali fought mediocre Ken Norton three times and still hasn't beaten Norton.

Ali fought weak-chinned Norton for a total of 49 rounds and never scored a knockdown.

In 49 rounds.

LOL

Ken Norton was knocked out by the great Jose Luis Garcia in 8 rounds.

Ken Norton was knocked out in 1 round by Ernie Shavers.

Ken Norton was knocked out in 2 rounds by George Foreman.

Where was the 'magic punch" that "knocked out" Sonny Liston when Ali fought Norton?

For 49 rounds ???

LOL

Remember, in order to sell their Religion of Ali,

Ali shills have to claim that mediocre Ken Norton was one of the 'greatest of all time.'

The antics the rabid shills for Ali go through are hilarious.

granberry wrote:Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

Futch had been an accomplished amateur boxer.

granberry wrote:Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

How about Jose Torres, Floyd Patterson, Ken Norton, Archie Moore, and Zora Folley?

Were they ever in a fight?


LOL

wouter wrote:

granberry wrote:Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

Futch had been an accomplished amateur boxer.

Yes he sparred with the great Joe Louis but never turned pro because of a heart murmur.

You have to forgive Granberry's ignorance. Perhaps he's new to following the sport.

ThatOne wrote:


Gil Clancy also said he was a great fighter as did former light heavywight champ and author, Jose Torres. Many of his opponents- Foreman, Patterson, Norton, Bonavena,Folley, etcetera said he was a great ighter.

Jack Dempsey said Ali's 'knockout' of Liston was a fake.

Joe Louis said Ali's 'knockout' of Liston was a fake.

Gene Tunney said Ali's 'knockout' of Liston was a fake.

Floyd Patterson said repeatedly that Ali's 'knockout' of Liston was a fake.

George Chuvalo, who fought Ali twice and wasat in the third row at ringside for the Lewiston fraud, said "It was a phoney."

Georgie Benton said it was a fake.

Georgie Benton said to me, more than once,

"Watch Liston from the moment he gets up, to the time the film ends. Watch everything he does, every second. He has NO characteristics of a knocked out fighter. Everything he does from the moment he gets up to the end of the film shows it was a fix."

granberry wrote:Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

and you, oh knowledgeable one?

let's hear your record, pencil-neck

BoxBuzz wrote:Well later Ali gave ol' 'enry another shot.....

Changing the subject again, buz?

Members of the Religion of Ali scurry away from the topic like roaches when the light of day is shone on their 'hero.'

Counter-puncher wrote:

granberry wrote:Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

and you, oh knowledgeable one?

let's hear your record, pencil-neck

Granberry once boxed one hundred crates of oranges.

Blah, Blah, blah ....The fight was fixed....Blah, blah, blah....

Everything about Ali's subsequent history suggests he would have turned Old Man Liston inside out. Ali was bigger, stronger, faster, and didn't have a heroin habit.

granberry wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Well later Ali gave ol' 'enry another shot.....

unsure of my boxing record, buzz?

Members of the Religion of granberry scurry away from the topic like roaches when the light of day is shone on their 'hero.'

fixed

sheesh. i just noticed. not only did granberry talk to george benson. he did it 'more than once'. he's so intimite with benson he gets to calls him 'georgie'.

i therefore bow to his superior knowledge

the Religion of Granberry has another convert.

can i please be your shill, 'berry?

wouter wrote:
Futch had been an accomplished amateur boxer.

Whoop-de-doo, wouter.

I can't tell you how impressive that is.

LOL

Eddie Futch was a disgusting self-promoter who cultivated the newsmen who never had a fight with their own sisters and didn't have a clue what boxing was.

They were SO GRATEFUL that Eddie was there to put his arm around them and tell them what to write--

of course that Eddie Futch was the "greatest of all time."

And they all lapped it up and eagerly reported the disgusting self-promoter's unrelenting praise of himself.

And now members of the Relgion of Ali

dutifully repeat and bow before garbage from the mouth of their exalted Eddie Futch.

Counter-puncher wrote:

granberry wrote:Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

and you, oh knowledgeable one?

let's hear your record, pencil-neck

You would be surprised, Mr Poster on 'boxing' websites.

LOL

granberry wrote:

wouter wrote:
Futch had been an accomplished amateur boxer.

Whoop-de-doo, wouter.

I can't tell you how impressive that is.

LOL

Eddie Futch was a disgusting self-promoter who cultivated the newsmen who never had a fight with their own sisters and didn't have a clue what boxing was.

They were SO GRATEFUL that Eddie was there to put his arm around them and tell them what to write--

of course that Eddie Futch was the "greatest of all time."

And they all lapped it up and eagerly reported the disgusting self-promoter's unrelenting praise of himself.

And now members of the Relgion of Ali

dutifully repeat and bow before garbage from the mouth of their exalted Eddie Futch.

Now that you disrespected Eddie Futch and Ken Norton can you please tell us why the opinions of Cus D'Amato, Floyd Patterson, Zora Folley, Archie Moore, and Jose Torres are of no mmoment?


Are they ciphers too when it comes to boxing?

granberry wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

granberry wrote:Eddie Futch and Cus D'Amato never had a fight in their lives.

Georgie Benton did.

and you, oh knowledgeable one?

let's hear your record, pencil-neck

You would be surprised, Mr Poster on 'boxing' websites.

LOL

so you've never laced them up then?

ThatOne wrote:[quote="wouter

Yes he sparred with the great Joe Louis but never turned pro because of a heart murmur.

You have to forgive Granberry's ignorance. Perhaps he's new to following the sport.

Eddie Futch was a news-media created fraud.

Futch never had a heart-murmur when it came to his disgusting self promotion of himself.

And the clueless news media 'covering' boxing lapped it up.

As do the members of the Religion on of Ali posting here.