Froch v Dirrell - Was it really a robbery?

[Cyclops]

It kind of annoyed me that people went on about Froch being a 'caveman' and a throwback fighter. He's just sh*t.

Sh*t fighters don't beat Pascal and Taylor. You didn't watch the fight, so shut up.

My OPINION is based on those two fights you mentioned. F*ck it maybe sh*t is too harsh. Anyone who gets in a ring gets my respect. Can't be bothered arguing. I didn't watch the fight so I WILL shut up.

[damianhucker1]

I scored it to Froch by three rounds on site. Not seen a replay. I did not hear anyone complain about the decision. When the SD was announced I was amazed as I thought that Dirrell, for all his pre-fight talk, boxed a shocker and did not do what was needed to win the fight, and I usually prefer slicksters, he wasn't at all slick, he was poor. We whine aobut journeymen looking to survive, here was a supposed top-class boxer who had talk a good fight completely failing to produce one.

This is the first I've seen of any controversy. I wasn't sat near people who are biased, either. It just seemed that Froch won it and the only eyebrow raiser was the SD decision. I'll have to watch it again, the thought of that makes me want to weep but it has to be done.

Both men were poor and the fight was awful. I think that Dirrell has to carry the majority of blame for this as Froch is limited but he is fun under the right circumstances. Dirrell, on last night's showing (and his career thus far if we are bing honest) is pretty dreadful. I will watch it again though.

Taylor should retire and they should draft in Green. If the whole point of this tourney is to entice people to follow the fights/fighters then Dirrell needs to look to himself, as no one in their right mind will be salivating over his next contest. A Dirrell-Ward fight will see be terrible, and I like Ward.

I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH WHAT YOU SAID HERE , I TOO HAD FROCH UP , BY 4 ROUNDS AND KNEW NOTHING OF ANYONE DISAGREEING WITH THE DECISION UNTIL COMING ON HERE TONIGHT , MYSELF AND PEOPLE SAT NEAR ME WERE SURPRISED IT WAS EVEN A SPLIT , I REALLY CANT UNDERSTAND ALL THIS

[jamesmcdonnell]

I scored it to Froch by three rounds on site. Not seen a replay. I did not hear anyone complain about the decision. When the SD was announced I was amazed as I thought that Dirrell, for all his pre-fight talk, boxed a shocker and did not do what was needed to win the fight, and I usually prefer slicksters, he wasn't at all slick, he was poor. We whine aobut journeymen looking to survive, here was a supposed top-class boxer who had talk a good fight completely failing to produce one.

This is the first I've seen of any controversy. I wasn't sat near people who are biased, either. It just seemed that Froch won it and the only eyebrow raiser was the SD decision. I'll have to watch it again, the thought of that makes me want to weep but it has to be done.

Both men were poor and the fight was awful. I think that Dirrell has to carry the majority of blame for this as Froch is limited but he is fun under the right circumstances. Dirrell, on last night's showing (and his career thus far if we are bing honest) is pretty dreadful. I will watch it again though.

Taylor should retire and they should draft in Green. If the whole point of this tourney is to entice people to follow the fights/fighters then Dirrell needs to look to himself, as no one in their right mind will be salivating over his next contest. A Dirrell-Ward fight will see be terrible, and I like Ward.

I'm flabberghasted, but I respect your opinion Terry.

I can only guess that it was hard to see which shots landed from ringside. From TV it was clear that Froch hardly landed a glove on Dirrell.

Agree regards Taylor, it would be unfair to let him fight on against the dangermen of the division, he's shot to pieces mentally. There will just be more KO's.

Hopefully, Dirrell will have learnt from last night, that you have to put things beyond doubt. I honestly think he could have stopped Froch, but his natural inclination seems to be to avoid altercation, which is a shame, because he is a beautiful puncher when he lets his hands go.

If Dirrell starts to sit down on his punches, he could be one hell of a fighter, right now he's a goddam bore.

It was a truly awful fight, on that I concur. It sucked.

[gemmell]

i thought froch won a boring fight quite easily. dirrell should be ashamed of himself for that performance.

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[jamesmcdonnell]

It was a woeful performance from both men in my opinion. Froch had no idea how to slow his adversary down, or to cut off the ring.

Dirrell was very annoying to watch, but as I said before he showed a little of wha tI believe he is capable of in the last three rounds.

[MightyWarrior]

I thought Dirrell was robbed, no way can I accept that Carl "won" that fight. He barely landed anything - it was a horrible fight, but it looked like Dirrell was dictating the fight, and landing the cleaner punches.

Carl actually looked intimidated in there, over the first 5 or 6 rounds, maybe by the speed of Dirrell, he seemed so catious of getting hit by any counters. He'd get close, shape up, then not throw any punches.
I think the Taylor fight, the first 11 rounds when he was near outclassed, took some of that confidence out of Carl - just look at the way he stormed into Pascal, compared to last night's tame display.

[hitman_hatton1]

HOWS IT EVERYONE BUT THE 2 JUDGES , AS I ALREADY SAID I DINT HEAR A SINGLE PERSON AT THE ARENA THAT SAID THEY THOUGH DIRRELL WON . NOT ONE PERSON . I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO COME ON HERE AND SEE SEVERAL PEOPLE QUITE STRONLY FEELING THAT DIRRELL WON . IM STILL GOBSMACKED . AGREED IT WAS PANTS AND FROCH DIDNT DO AS WELL AS NORMAL BUT DIRRELL RUINED THE FIGHT AS A SPECTACLE WITH HIS NEGATIVITY . AFTER THAT PERFOMANCE ID EXPECT KESSLER TO KO FROCH COMFORTABLY BUT I DONT THINK FROCH WILL BE THE SAME NEXT TIME AS KESSLER WILL BE MORE OPEN , I FEEL THAT FROCH V KESSLER WILL BE A CLASSIC AND IF FROCH SOMEHOW WINS IT YOU WILL ALL JUMP ON HIS BANDWAGON AGAIN

i'm not crying robbery.

i voted a 6 on the robbery scale.

i've seen a lot worse than that. :>

but froch weren't throwing shitloads of punches either was he.

what were the punch stats by the way?

[damianhucker1]

I thought Dirrell was robbed, no way can I accept that Carl "won" that fight. He barely landed anything - it was a horrible fight, but it looked like Dirrell was dictating the fight, and landing the cleaner punches.

Carl actually looked intimidated in there, over the first 5 or 6 rounds, maybe by the speed of Dirrell, he seemed so catious of getting hit by any counters. He'd get close, shape up, then not throw any punches.
I think the Taylor fight, the first 11 rounds when he was near outclassed, took some of that confidence out of Carl - just look at the way he stormed into Pascal, compared to last night's tame display.

WELL JUST ACCEPT IT PAL , MYSELF AND SEVERAL OTHERS SAW FROCH AS WINNER AND WAS SURPRISED IT WAS EVEN A SPLIT , PEOPLE KEEP SAYING "WELL MAYBE IT LOOKED DIFFERENT FROM RINGSIDE AS ON TV YOU COULD SEE FROCH WASNT LANDING " WELL THE EFF DO YOU GUYS THINK THE JUDGES SAT , SO ON THAT EVIDENCE HOW CAN IT BE CALLED A ROBBERRY IN THE FIRST PLACE . KMT

[damianhucker1]

HOWS IT EVERYONE BUT THE 2 JUDGES , AS I ALREADY SAID I DINT HEAR A SINGLE PERSON AT THE ARENA THAT SAID THEY THOUGH DIRRELL WON . NOT ONE PERSON . I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO COME ON HERE AND SEE SEVERAL PEOPLE QUITE STRONLY FEELING THAT DIRRELL WON . IM STILL GOBSMACKED . AGREED IT WAS PANTS AND FROCH DIDNT DO AS WELL AS NORMAL BUT DIRRELL RUINED THE FIGHT AS A SPECTACLE WITH HIS NEGATIVITY . AFTER THAT PERFOMANCE ID EXPECT KESSLER TO KO FROCH COMFORTABLY BUT I DONT THINK FROCH WILL BE THE SAME NEXT TIME AS KESSLER WILL BE MORE OPEN , I FEEL THAT FROCH V KESSLER WILL BE A CLASSIC AND IF FROCH SOMEHOW WINS IT YOU WILL ALL JUMP ON HIS BANDWAGON AGAIN

i'm not crying robbery.

i voted a 6 on the robbery scale.

i've seen a lot worse than that. :>

but froch weren't throwing shitloads of punches either was he.

what were the punch stats by the way?

ID BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE STATS TOO TO BE HONEST

[MightyWarrior]

WELL THE EFF DO YOU GUYS THINK THE JUDGES SAT , SO ON THAT EVIDENCE HOW CAN IT BE CALLED A ROBBERRY IN THE FIRST PLACE . KMT

Right, and the judges never get it wrong do they, pal?

[damianhucker1]

WELL THE EFF DO YOU GUYS THINK THE JUDGES SAT , SO ON THAT EVIDENCE HOW CAN IT BE CALLED A ROBBERRY IN THE FIRST PLACE . KMT

Right, and the judges never get it wrong do they, pal?

NOT SAYING THEY DONT , WHAT IM SAYING IS PEOPLE ARE CALLING IT A ROBBERRY , YET PEOPLE HAVE SAID MAYBE IT LOOKED DIFFERENT FROM RINGSIDE , SO WHAT IM SAYNG IS THAT THE JUDGES ARE ALSO RING SIDE , SO IF IT CAN LOOK DIFFERENT AT RINGSIDE THEN MAYBE , JUST MAYBE THE JUDGES MIGHT NOT HAVE GOT IT WRONG FROM WHAT THEY CAN SEE , THERFOR ITS NOT A ROBBERRY , LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF ROBBERRY . YOULL FIND THE WORD YOU SHOULD BE USING IS MISTAKE INSTEAD BUT UNTILL IVE SEEN THE REPLAY I HOLD MY VIEW THAT FROCH WON BY 4 ROUNDS

[jBacca]

WELL THE EFF DO YOU GUYS THINK THE JUDGES SAT , SO ON THAT EVIDENCE HOW CAN IT BE CALLED A ROBBERRY IN THE FIRST PLACE . KMT

Right, and the judges never get it wrong do they, pal?

NOT SAYING THEY DONT , WHAT IM SAYING IS PEOPLE ARE CALLING IT A ROBBERRY , YET PEOPLE HAVE SAID MAYBE IT LOOKED DIFFERENT FROM RINGSIDE , SO WHAT IM SAYNG IS THAT THE JUDGES ARE ALSO RING SIDE , SO IF IT CAN LOOK DIFFERENT AT RINGSIDE THEN MAYBE , JUST MAYBE THE JUDGES MIGHT NOT HAVE GOT IT WRONG FROM WHAT THEY CAN SEE , THERFOR ITS NOT A ROBBERRY , LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF ROBBERRY . YOULL FIND THE WORD YOU SHOULD BE USING IS MISTAKE INSTEAD BUT UNTILL IVE SEEN THE REPLAY I HOLD MY VIEW THAT FROCH WON BY 4 ROUNDS

It's a robbery to the extent that Froch was hitting fresh air all night, whilst eating plenty of punches that shook his legs, but still got the win.

Anyone got the fight upped yet?

[bigjack]

i thought froch won a boring fight quite easily. dirrell should be ashamed of himself for that performance.

What's wrong with adopting tactics to win a fight,if he stood and traded from round 1 he was likely to get ko'd so moved around alot it's no crime,yes it was boring but to me it showed that froch wasn't able to deal with that style and for all his pre fight boasting about power,he was the one who was stunned at times

[Flav1]

I had Froch by a round.

[Neri]

Anybody know the punch stats?

[Herol]

Don't really like the poll -- horribly biased, 'cos all the "Froch won" votes are concentrated in one option, whereas the opposing opinion gets spread out over several options. It looks dodgy.

Just add up the scores and you can see that 24% gave it to Froch, and most people gave the fight to Dirrell with varying degrees of strength, its not rocket science.

[Herol]

I really wish I could watch this fight but I can't find it online. I don't know why they take them off youtube it's really annoying. Haven't they made enough money from the fight to just let us watch it?

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrBoxingUK2 ... TrAhwIclhw

[dondada]

Wow, what a diverse range of opinions from a lot of people who know their onions.

Perhaps it's one of those fights where one sees it markedly different from ringside than from telly.

[Bard of Boxrec]

i didnt see the fight, where can i watch this fight? Is it on youtube yet?

It sounds like Froch wasn't thw same fighter as he was vs Pascal - do people think if he had been the same guy who took it to Pascal, he could have done better? Or did Dirrell just not allow him to fight that fight?

[chinny]

I scored it to Froch by three rounds on site. Not seen a replay. I did not hear anyone complain about the decision. When the SD was announced I was amazed as I thought that Dirrell, for all his pre-fight talk, boxed a shocker and did not do what was needed to win the fight, and I usually prefer slicksters, he wasn't at all slick, he was poor. We whine aobut journeymen looking to survive, here was a supposed top-class boxer who had talk a good fight completely failing to produce one.

This is the first I've seen of any controversy. I wasn't sat near people who are biased, either. It just seemed that Froch won it and the only eyebrow raiser was the SD decision. I'll have to watch it again, the thought of that makes me want to weep but it has to be done.

Both men were poor and the fight was awful. I think that Dirrell has to carry the majority of blame for this as Froch is limited but he is fun under the right circumstances. Dirrell, on last night's showing (and his career thus far if we are bing honest) is pretty dreadful. I will watch it again though.

Taylor should retire and they should draft in Green. If the whole point of this tourney is to entice people to follow the fights/fighters then Dirrell needs to look to himself, as no one in their right mind will be salivating over his next contest. A Dirrell-Ward fight will see be terrible, and I like Ward.

I had an excellent view in the arena and this is pretty much how I saw it too. I'm shocked to read all 'fix' threads. Will have to watch it again just to see if a TV view made the whole thing look different.

[alexpaterson]

I thought Dirrell won by a few rounds but it wasnt the worst robbery i've seen I gave it a 4/5 as it was a poor decision.

[stujones]

Wow, what a diverse range of opinions from a lot of people who know their onions.

Perhaps it's one of those fights where one sees it markedly different from ringside than from telly.

Ian, sorry if you have mentioned it lots of threads/posts and I might have missed it.... how did you score the fight.

[Counter-puncher]

I thought Dirrell won by a few rounds but it wasnt the worst robbery i've seen I gave it a 4/5 as it was a poor decision.

me too mate

[pnejon]

Perhaps it's one of those fights where one sees it markedly different from ringside than from telly.[/quote]


I watched from BLOCK14 and had froch winning fairly easy.... maybe his flurrys on the ropes werent landing as clean(obviously you can see alot better through the TV camera) as they looked.

[jBacca]

Perhaps it's one of those fights where one sees it markedly different from ringside than from telly.

I watched from BLOCK14 and had froch winning fairly easy.... maybe his flurrys on the ropes werent landing as clean(obviously you can see alot better through the TV camera) as they looked.[/quote]

That's probably it i reckon. Froch might have looked like he was landing from wherever people were sat, but on tv you could see that nothing he was throwing was hitting Dirrell (bar the odd few).